The A-League Expansion Thread

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Originally Posted by MFKS

What your claim here ??

Because I have heard the same BS trotted out by Souths detractors in the past and it was proven false

So I am all ears on this allegation

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The fact that there is truth in some of the allegations and to my knowledge not all are fully resolved especially with regards to payments to the ATO.
To me that is a cause for concern, much like any of the other clubs that have had financial issues in the past they should be open to scrutiny.


Us, CCM, GC United, NQ Fury, Brisbane, Adelaide, NZ Knights and Wellington have all had financial issues not to long ago and they were rightfully scrutinized. What makes SMFC so special to escape scrutiny? Especially on the verge of possibly handing them a license for the A-League.

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Originally Posted by Premy

The fact that there is truth in some of the allegations and to my knowledge not all are fully resolved especially with regards to payments to the ATO.
To me that is a cause for concern, much like any of the other clubs that have had financial issues in the past they should be open to scrutiny.


Us, CCM, GC United, NQ Fury, Brisbane, Adelaide, NZ Knights and Wellington have all had financial issues not to long ago and they were rightfully scrutinized. What makes SMFC so special to escape scrutiny? Especially on the verge of possibly handing them a license for the A-League.

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Ok so you are bringing up unsubstantiated rumours from a journo who actually works with a rival club to South Melbourne in the Victorian NPL as some what having some basis of truth??

Lol

South have responded to the allegations with a statement and then even put up the contract anullment between club and player on the Internet to refute the journos lies

The bloke in questions name is actually mud in the Victorian Football circles

So until the ATO get involved in taking some action then it is nothing but unsubstantiated BS

Being that there is a campaign going on here to get selected for the 2 spots I wouldnt be surprised if the shit flinging at South about the ATO is being done just to get at the clubs prospects and to assist rival interests


Just another attempt by bigoted fools trying to keep the ethnics out

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Originally Posted by MFKS

Ok so you are bringing up unsubstantiated rumours from a journo who actually works with a rival club to South Melbourne in the Victorian NPL as some what having some basis of truth??

Lol

South have responded to the allegations with a statement and then even put up the contract anullment between club and player on the Internet to refute the journos lies

The bloke in questions name is actually mud in the Victorian Football circles

So until the ATO get involved in taking some action then it is nothing but unsubstantiated BS

Being that there is a campaign going on here to get selected for the 2 spots I wouldnt be surprised if the shit flinging at South about the ATO is being done just to get at the clubs prospects and to assist rival interests


Just another attempt by bigoted fools trying to keep the ethnics out

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"Bigoted fools trying to keep the ethnics out"???
The Journo you bring into question has links to Pascoe Vale, yes. However it may come as a surprise to you but Pascoe Vale also has links to "ethnics".

Not to mention the infighting at board level and the knifing of Athanasakis, yeah no thanks I don't want these guys anywhere near the A-League. The reason I don't want them there has nothing to do with the clubs links to the Greek Australian community and has everything to do with the fact that there are other bidders that would be far better than this lot.

was reading something interesting about the NFL the other day.
Clubs are required to pay all player wages up front to the league when they sign a new contract.
So when you hear of a guy getting $20/$50/$100 million dollars, the owners are required to pay that whole contract* up front, and the league dishes it back out over the life of the contract.

it might be a long long way away, but every other sport nicks ideas off this lot, its probably** the most lucrative league on earth. Would be shocked if the PFA dont go down this road eventually.
which i think is a good thing.




*the 'guaranteed' portion of it. NFL contracts are notoriously ambiguous.
**yeah look im not here to debate which league is bigger, just saying NFL is up there.

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Originally Posted by Premy

"Bigoted fools trying to keep the ethnics out"???
The Journo you bring into question has links to Pascoe Vale, yes. However it may come as a surprise to you but Pascoe Vale also has links to "ethnics".

Not to mention the infighting at board level and the knifing of Athanasakis, yeah no thanks I don't want these guys anywhere near the A-League. The reason I don't want them there has nothing to do with the clubs links to the Greek Australian community and has everything to do with the fact that there are other bidders that would be far better than this lot.

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Dont think the point about bigoted fools was directed at you

But the reaality is there is a large element out there who are happy to demonise ethnicity in this game in Australia


Pascoe Vale do have links to another ethinc group but I wasnt drawing on a gripe coming from them at Souths based on ethnicities I was happy to leave it as a rival in the same comp

As for your complaints about Athanasakis getting the flick
The members of their club are entitled to vote how they see fit as is their right

They at least have a democracy in the set up in their club.
Do any of the other HAL clubs have that set up??


As for your point that these other bidders would be far better feel free to offer us some reasoning why ??

Because I will point this blatant bit of reality you are ignoring

The reinstallatiom of Australias most successful club in the NSL into the top flight of Oz football will be the greatest thing the FFA have done since 2005

They will have actually started the process of reconciliation between old soccer and new football that Lowy actually fostered and grew with his divisive way of running the code

That to me is worth more than any new franchise that offeres no point of difference to the game than the existing franchises in their areas offer already

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Originally Posted by MFKS

The reinstallatiom of Australias most successful club in the NSL into the top flight of Oz football will be the greatest thing the FFA have done since 2005

That to me is worth more than any new franchise that offeres no point of difference to the game than the existing franchises in their areas offer already

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if they do this right then the Member here has a fantastic point.

BUT.


its the FFA, are we sure they are gonna 'get' it?

Member, do you want a Canberra A-League team? We are sensible folk here, and will run an inclusive and diverse organisation.

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Originally Posted by Couscous

Member, do you want a Canberra A-League team? We are sensible folk here, and will run an inclusive and diverse organisation.

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Mate I dont really give a **** where the clubs come from

I actually want the protectionist racket that is the HAL to change from top to bottom

No Salary Cap
Promotion Relegation
Pathway into Top flight for all
No ethnicity demonisation
2/3/4 divisions etc

Lets actually embrace first world football principles and unite and energise the football community like we should

Reality is the closed shop set up we have in the HAL is a ****ing cancer on our game

We have reached the HAL models zenith point and surpassed it

It aint getting any better

It is time to start the game again

Fold the comp in its current formats and drain the pond and lets start again

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Originally Posted by MFKS

As for your point that these other bidders would be far better feel free to offer us some reasoning why ??

Because I will point this blatant bit of reality you are ignoring

The reinstallatiom of Australias most successful club in the NSL into the top flight of Oz football will be the greatest thing the FFA have done since 2005

They will have actually started the process of reconciliation between old soccer and new football that Lowy actually fostered and grew with his divisive way of running the code

That to me is worth more than any new franchise that offeres no point of difference to the game than the existing franchises in their areas offer already

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Canberra United.
*6000+ non financial members committed to the bid
*Gives the A-League more exposure in a region that is not currently represented on the National league level.
*A boutique stadium perfect for A-league (Lakeside is far from the standard that should be required and despite what SMFC say they don't own the venue)
*Large financial backing from both the public and private sector.

Southwest Sydney
*Overwhelming support from the local community and connected to the greater local football community.
*Boutique venue that is currently under utilized and will be upgraded in the near future.
*Based in the fastest growing region of NSW and offers a geographical difference to the already existing Sydney clubs.
*Large financial backing from both the public and private sector.

Team IX & Western Melbourne
*Admittedly I don't think they should be admitted until they have built the stadia that has been connected to their bids.

As to "reconciliation between old soccer and new football" SMFC do not represent "old soccer" they represent SMFC and a small portion of the Melbourne Greek community. What will the likes of Hiedelberg, Marconi, Melbourne Croatia, Adelaide City, Sydney Olympic, Brisbane Strikers, APIA etc gain from SMFC entering the A-League? Nothing... SMFC got left behind because of their own identity and the refusal by a large section of their club to ostracize anyone not like them. You bang on about inclusion, well SMFC made they're bed due to the lack of theirs. Here is some hard truth, you winge about City but numbers wise a poor plastic citeh crowd of 8,000 was considered a great SMFC crowd. If you want reconciliation then create a true second division and introduce pro/rel so all of old soccer is included not a tiny proportion.

You think SMFC care about the rest of old soccer?
If they did then it wouldn't have taken a bloke from North Queensland to form the AAFC.

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Originally Posted by Premy

Canberra United.
*6000+ non financial members committed to the bid
*Gives the A-League more exposure in a region that is not currently represented on the National league level.
*A boutique stadium perfect for A-league (Lakeside is far from the standard that should be required and despite what SMFC say they don't own the venue)
*Large financial backing from both the public and private sector.

Southwest Sydney
*Overwhelming support from the local community and connected to the greater local football community.
*Boutique venue that is currently under utilized and will be upgraded in the near future.
*Based in the fastest growing region of NSW and offers a geographical difference to the already existing Sydney clubs.
*Large financial backing from both the public and private sector.

Team IX & Western Melbourne
*Admittedly I don't think they should be admitted until they have built the stadia that has been connected to their bids.

As to "reconciliation between old soccer and new football" SMFC do not represent "old soccer" they represent SMFC and a small portion of the Melbourne Greek community. What will the likes of Hiedelberg, Marconi, Melbourne Croatia, Adelaide City, Sydney Olympic, Brisbane Strikers, APIA etc gain from SMFC entering the A-League? Nothing... SMFC got left behind because of their own identity and the refusal by a large section of their club to ostracize anyone not like them. You bang on about inclusion, well SMFC made they're bed due to the lack of theirs. Here is some hard truth, you winge about City but numbers wise a poor plastic citeh crowd of 8,000 was considered a great SMFC crowd. If you want reconciliation then create a true second division and introduce pro/rel so all of old soccer is included not a tiny proportion.

You think SMFC care about the rest of old soccer?
If they did then it wouldn't have taken a bloke from North Queensland to form the AAFC.

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good points.

i will point out that the existing canberra stadium would be horrible in summer. there is about zero shade. the shallow grade on the seating makes it not great for watching football either in my opinion. not really sure 25K seating makes it boutique either.

but if that's what i've got to go to watch football, then that's what i'll do!

as an aside, the government here is keen to build a new stadium in the city.

it looks to me like they are angling to buy the existing stadium (and quite probably the rest of the AIS, cause it doesn't look like it will be around much longer), will build the new stadium and then sell the existing stadium site for medium density. theis will fund the new stadium build.

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/spo...07-p50kvc.html

bit more on the canberra bid

I am all for a successful ACT bid however the real acid test is just how many of those 6000 are good for it when it comes time to put there hand in there pocket and part with some coin.

I hate the bid's colours.

https://static.ffx.io/images/$zoom_1...e0c8ade167a7e4_

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Originally Posted by 380

I am all for a successful ACT bid however the real acid test is just how many of those 6000 are good for it when it comes time to put there hand in there pocket and part with some coin.

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Mate, Canberrans are loaded.

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Originally Posted by Premy

Canberra United.
*6000+ non financial members committed to the bid
*Gives the A-League more exposure in a region that is not currently represented on the National league level.
*A boutique stadium perfect for A-league (Lakeside is far from the standard that should be required and despite what SMFC say they don't own the venue)
*Large financial backing from both the public and private sector.

Southwest Sydney
*Overwhelming support from the local community and connected to the greater local football community.
*Boutique venue that is currently under utilized and will be upgraded in the near future.
*Based in the fastest growing region of NSW and offers a geographical difference to the already existing Sydney clubs.
*Large financial backing from both the public and private sector.

Team IX & Western Melbourne
*Admittedly I don't think they should be admitted until they have built the stadia that has been connected to their bids.

As to "reconciliation between old soccer and new football" SMFC do not represent "old soccer" they represent SMFC and a small portion of the Melbourne Greek community. What will the likes of Hiedelberg, Marconi, Melbourne Croatia, Adelaide City, Sydney Olympic, Brisbane Strikers, APIA etc gain from SMFC entering the A-League? Nothing... SMFC got left behind because of their own identity and the refusal by a large section of their club to ostracize anyone not like them. You bang on about inclusion, well SMFC made they're bed due to the lack of theirs. Here is some hard truth, you winge about City but numbers wise a poor plastic citeh crowd of 8,000 was considered a great SMFC crowd. If you want reconciliation then create a true second division and introduce pro/rel so all of old soccer is included not a tiny proportion.

You think SMFC care about the rest of old soccer?
If they did then it wouldn't have taken a bloke from North Queensland to form the AAFC.

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Your points on the two Melbourne sides are bang on

They are a figment of fantasy with no government support for these proposed stadia so how the **** they can be taken seriously defies belief

As for Canberrs I really have no gripe with them but your point about Souths stadium not being up to spec is wrong.

We need to get out of this ****ing ****ed up mindset that we need to be in 20/30k cement and plastic monstrosities and embrace real ****ing stadiums of appropriate size regardless of how they are not picture perfect

Look ar how well the Big Blue was received playing at a bursting at the seams suburban ground rather than a ****ed up monstrosity

**** I still wish we had never left Breakers Stadium all thise years ago as it is a much better viewing ground than Stade de Newy

Stadiums with a few warts and boils is exactly what we need


As for whether South made their bed??

WTF are you talking about

At no stage have they ever banned or refused to have anything to do with non Greek Australians. All are welcome and anyone who says otherwise is either full of shit or plain well lying

Sth Melbourne were left behind for no reason other than a deluded belief that ethnicity was holding football in Australia back thanks to what can only be described by racist and bigoted agendas by the governing body.trying to instill some throwback to the White Australia policy at Football in Oz with their 1 sized fits all approach to football

Ethnicity isnt our weakness it is our ****ing strength and these dumb ****s dont realise it

Agree that Pro Rel should be introduced and that teams should be able to "Earn" promotion. But that is the problem we have here now The FFA through Lowy has set the game up in such a way he has priced the ethnic clubs out of the game. Melbourne Knights looked at it and said No
South are the only one of them.that showed any ambition to join. They have continued to persist for inclusion.and were even victimised by Lowys stubborness with his decision to grant a licence to the Inferior Melbourne Heart bid in a farcial decision

It would be great if South or Apia or Adelside City or any of the old clubs couldhave win promotion back to the top flight but they cant and we are left with this farcial bidding process which is a joke.

The FFA were quick to moan at the corruption at Fifa with the WC Bid but are right now agreeing to give 2 licences out to private groups who are going to fill the FFAs coffers with cadh of a large proportion which will fund their activities and pay their wages going forward. Now there is a glaring conflict of interest right there right open for exploitation

As for your point on crowds
Do they ****ing really matter ??
6k 10k 40k It really doesnt matter

There are thousands of professional football clubs surving on crowds under 10k
Why the **** do we need to panic if a club only gets 6k or 8k ??
It dont matter

As for your thoughts on the Southern Sydney side
Your telling me they aint taking their fans off Red Aids and Blue Aids and just further watering down support in the Sydney area??

Because the reality is unlike Canberra that area isnt in need of a team. They already have 2 to ****ing choose from

https://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/reid...a-league-teams

article discussing the possibility of including four new teams, plus there's talk of the option to include one of the others to replace Wellington

I think three new teams would be a good idea - get rid of Wellington, it's a failed experiment and the NZ market, while a noble idea, isn't bringing anything to the competition

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Originally Posted by boz-monaut

https://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/reid...a-league-teams

article discussing the possibility of including four new teams, plus there's talk of the option to include one of the others to replace Wellington

I think three new teams would be a good idea - get rid of Wellington, it's a failed experiment and the NZ market, while a noble idea, isn't bringing anything to the competition

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I thought that would be their approach all along

Actually 20-30k STADIUMS are exactly what we need to get into (personal I feel we should be in something smaller but that would vary from club to club), boutique stadia purpose built for football. Lakeside is far from that, it's an athletics track for crying out loud.





I didn't mention anything about the Southern Sydney side as they shouldn't be mentioned in the expansion talk for the same reason why SMFC shouldn't be.
"Your telling me they aint taking their fans off Red Aids and Blue Aids and just further watering down support in the Sydney area??"
SMFC would do just the same to tards and citeh and they offer no geographical difference.
Southwestern Sydney on the other hand is a different scenario as that is a difference in geography and rapidly growing region.

the only thing that bothers me about a Canberra bid is they become Gypos 2.0.
There seems to be a lot of the same buzzwords like 'community' surrounding them.
i want every team in the league to be a ruthless machine hell bent on winning at all costs. each team pushing the others to outdo them just as a general wank for a bunch of rich assholes.

In motor racing there is a general rule that if you dont qualify within x% of the winners time you dont even get a spot on the grid. you are laughed at and considered poor and worthless.
every season the FFA need to put Melbourne Victory's budget and signings on the table and tell the other clubs that they need to get within x% of their wage total or they cant join the league.
Canberra need some tech boffin or hedge fund manager to get out in front of their bid. Us other teams need some asshole to boo at in order to make them relevant.

ive been drinking.

Don't worry, Plague, the Canberra bid has a whale:

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Canberra have a heavyweight overseas investor - with ties to top leagues in the US and Europe - who the bid team described as a "whale" in their public document.

"The FFA wanted fish — we've brought them a whale. A heavy weight international backer with deep connections to the game; not just another billionaire backer," the document read.

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