SQUAD FOR 2015/16 SEASON - no Griff, no party

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11-09-2015, 12:46 PM
Grimario

Every year I wish we could sign nobodies like FFA Cup/A-League (not mickey mouse finals football)/Champions League winners like we have done. What a glorious bunch of nobodies.
11-09-2015, 12:51 PM
GazFish35

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Originally Posted by MFKS

We have just cobbled together a squad of bits and pieces with no obvious plan how we are moving up the table in the future at all. It almost looks like the club have surrendered already this season with making the semis.

Cap restrictions and the length and size of contracts for some who remain have no doubt played their part in limiting the improvements we could make in the playing squad.
No doubt this season is as much about erasing memories of past limp performances as it is about setting up the squad and the contracts of the squad so that things can be built on again next year - id be surprised if there isn't another big clean out at the end of this coming season.

Big picture means this season is not about making the finals - miller has only ever said we "aim" to make the finals, or that we will "train and prepare" like a finals quality side. He's been very careful not to guaranetee anything other than making the team one we can be proud of. and others have said, if we come 9th, play with ticker, and beat the coasties, Ill be happy.

if the squad this season doesn't change much for next season, I'd be worried.
We are still hamstrung by the remnants of the squad that was put together by Baartz, Middleby and Palmer.
11-09-2015, 01:08 PM
la bazzle

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Originally Posted by GazFish35

beat the coasties, Ill be happy.

.

If this happens just once this season that'll do me.
11-09-2015, 02:30 PM
Jetmaster

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Originally Posted by GazFish35

Cap restrictions and the length and size of contracts for some who remain have no doubt played their part in limiting the improvements we could make in the playing squad.
No doubt this season is as much about erasing memories of past limp performances as it is about setting up the squad and the contracts of the squad so that things can be built on again next year - id be surprised if there isn't another big clean out at the end of this coming season.

Big picture means this season is not about making the finals - miller has only ever said we "aim" to make the finals, or that we will "train and prepare" like a finals quality side. He's been very careful not to guaranetee anything other than making the team one we can be proud of. and others have said, if we come 9th, play with ticker, and beat the coasties, Ill be happy.

if the squad this season doesn't change much for next season, I'd be worried.
We are still hamstrung by the remnants of the squad that was put together by Baartz, Middleby and Palmer.

Agreed - the squad Miller would like and the one FFA will fund him are two very different things. FFS we had $600 in the bank when Tinks left !

My point is the mess that was created will take time to repair, intent and continued improvement is all I expect.
11-09-2015, 03:26 PM
plague

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Originally Posted by MFKS

Solid team??

I reckon the squad we have this season on paper is massively inferior to the squad muppet assembled at the start of last year.

The good Member finally shows his hand in the BK/Biraz debate.
11-09-2015, 03:44 PM
sammydog

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Originally Posted by Jetmaster

Agreed - the squad Miller would like and the one FFA will fund him are two very different things. FFS we had $600 in the bank when Tinks left !

My point is the mess that was created will take time to repair, intent and continued improvement is all I expect.

And the intent seems to be there. I think the squad last year on paper was very good, obviously it didn't perform, but I put that down to the work environment that the club had created with Tinkler and Stubbins.

I don't see the squad at the start of this year as any worse than that this time last season, but the coaching seems a lot more positive and focused. That will be the big change for us.

We can't forget that despite a heap of places being available, there wasn't a lot of space under the cap to use, and FFA aren't throwing money at marquees. Id expect more change next season as contracts come to an end.

All that said though, I am positive about this season. Will we win it....I doubt it, but I think we will see more from the team and club.
11-09-2015, 04:50 PM
Grimario

This is the squad for the Roar game...

Newcastle Jets squad vs. Brisbane Roar (Friendly): 1. Mark Birighitti (Gk), 2. Daniel Mullen, 3. Jason Hoffman, 4. Nigel Boogaard, 5. Ben Kantarovski, 6. Cameron Watson, 7. Enver Alivodic, 8. Mateo Poljak, 10. Leonardo, 11. Labinot Haliti, 13. Lee Ki-je, 14. Mitch Cooper, 22. Lachlan Jackson, 23. David Carney, 25. Brandon Lundy, 30. Blake Tuxford (Gk) (T)

http://www.newcastlejets.com.au/arti...s1p2e9de9wxbam
11-09-2015, 04:58 PM
BodyNovo

notables;

andy brennan might not have made quite the impact as of yet

and lundy obviously has made an impact which is good.
11-09-2015, 05:00 PM
WolfMan

Also, no BK
11-09-2015, 05:02 PM
Grimario

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Originally Posted by BodyNovo

notables;

andy brennan might not have made quite the impact as of yet

and lundy obviously has made an impact which is good.

Or the alternative... Brennan has made quite the impact and has nothing left to prove to be part of the regular squad. Lundy hasn't and is in the squad with a chance to prove his worth.

And no BK.
11-09-2015, 05:36 PM
white city

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Originally Posted by Grimario

Or the alternative... Brennan has made quite the impact and has nothing left to prove to be part of the regular squad. Lundy hasn't and is in the squad with a chance to prove his worth.

And no BK.

is Brennan injured? i dont think he has featured in any of the trials to date, even the intra-club one on the north-coast..correct me if im wrong?

i can only make the assumption that he aint much chop!
12-09-2015, 10:57 AM
northern_swan

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Originally Posted by Grimario

Or the alternative... Brennan has made quite the impact and has nothing left to prove to be part of the regular squad. Lundy hasn't and is in the squad with a chance to prove his worth.

And no BK.

According to the Herald, BK has stayed home with his gravely ill mother.
12-09-2015, 11:00 AM
MFKS

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Originally Posted by Grimario

Or the alternative... Brennan has made quite the impact and has nothing left to prove to be part of the regular squad. Lundy hasn't and is in the squad with a chance to prove his worth.

And no BK.

I would have thought that being Brennan has had injury issues his non selection would be down to that as he is probably behind the rest of the squad in fitness and also behind the rest of the squad in selction as he hasn't had the opportunities to state his case yet
12-09-2015, 01:20 PM
Grimario

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Originally Posted by northern_swan

According to the Herald, BK has stayed home with his gravely ill mother.

Not good... though I guess with that kind of thing, it never ever is good.

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Originally Posted by MFKS

I would have thought that being Brennan has had injury issues his non selection would be down to that as he is probably behind the rest of the squad in fitness and also behind the rest of the squad in selction as he hasn't had the opportunities to state his case yet

Wasn't even aware he was injured. What did he do and was he out for 6-8 weeks?
12-09-2015, 01:35 PM
MFKS

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Originally Posted by Grimario

Not good... though I guess with that kind of thing, it never ever is good.

Wasn't even aware he was injured. What did he do and was he out for 6-8 weeks?

If I remember right he had some Hamstring issues not long after he started training with us
12-09-2015, 04:51 PM
The Dunster

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-SieCU11r4
12-09-2015, 08:32 PM
stopper2

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Originally Posted by sammydog

And the intent seems to be there. I think the squad last year on paper was very good, obviously it didn't perform, but I put that down to the work environment that the club had created with Tinkler and Stubbins.

I don't see the squad at the start of this year as any worse than that this time last season, but the coaching seems a lot more positive and focused. That will be the big change for us.

We can't forget that despite a heap of places being available, there wasn't a lot of space under the cap to use, and FFA aren't throwing money at marquees. Id expect more change next season as contracts come to an end.

All that said though, I am positive about this season. Will we win it....I doubt it, but I think we will see more from the team and club.

Agree 100% sammy
12-09-2015, 08:45 PM
stopper2

Quote:

Originally Posted by GazFish35

Cap restrictions and the length and size of contracts for some who remain have no doubt played their part in limiting the improvements we could make in the playing squad.
No doubt this season is as much about erasing memories of past limp performances as it is about setting up the squad and the contracts of the squad so that things can be built on again next year - id be surprised if there isn't another big clean out at the end of this coming season.

Big picture means this season is not about making the finals - miller has only ever said we "aim" to make the finals, or that we will "train and prepare" like a finals quality side. He's been very careful not to guaranetee anything other than making the team one we can be proud of. and others have said, if we come 9th, play with ticker, and beat the coasties, Ill be happy.

if the squad this season doesn't change much for next season, I'd be worried.
We are still hamstrung by the remnants of the squad that was put together by Baartz, Middleby and Palmer.

Stubbins also can be blamed for our current situation too, in the second half of last season he upgraded BK's contract, extended Mullens and Leaky Gee's and enticed Boogaard here, all of them I believe on big coin now, with these four plus Carney taking up $1million of the cap.....since the cap is I believe only $2.4million, that's only 5 players taking up 42%!!! Meaning the club somehow has to fit another 17 or 18 players under $1.4million.
12-09-2015, 09:12 PM
GazFish35

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Originally Posted by stopper2

Stubbins also can be blamed for our current situation too, in the second half of last season he upgraded BK's contract, extended Mullens and Leaky Gee's and enticed Boogaard here, all of them I believe on big coin now, with these four plus Carney taking up $1million of the cap.....since the cap is I believe only $2.4million, that's only 5 players taking up 42%!!! Meaning the club somehow has to fit another 17 or 18 players under $1.4million.

Good points.
12-09-2015, 11:11 PM
sammydog

Quote:

Originally Posted by stopper2

Stubbins also can be blamed for our current situation too, in the second half of last season he upgraded BK's contract, extended Mullens and Leaky Gee's and enticed Boogaard here, all of them I believe on big coin now, with these four plus Carney taking up $1million of the cap.....since the cap is I believe only $2.4million, that's only 5 players taking up 42%!!! Meaning the club somehow has to fit another 17 or 18 players under $1.4million.

Thats exactly as I see our issue. Stubbins went nuts on a few existing players and left bugger all in the cap for the rest of the squad. It will take a few seasons to sort out that legacy.
13-09-2015, 09:14 AM
Tommyjet

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Originally Posted by sammydog

Thats exactly as I see our issue. Stubbins went nuts on a few existing players and left bugger all in the cap for the rest of the squad. It will take a few seasons to sort out that legacy.

A new owner coming in and using the newly implemented cap exemptions would make a hell of a difference
13-09-2015, 09:37 AM
GazFish35

What do the cap exemptions entail?

I assume they'd let us move either of the two BK's out of the cap, but what else?
13-09-2015, 10:14 AM
Tommyjet

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Originally Posted by GazFish35

What do the cap exemptions entail?

I assume they'd let us move either of the two BK's out of the cap, but what else?

Yeah I think it would be up to 200k for each of home grown and long service.
13-09-2015, 01:28 PM
GazFish35

That's pretty good tbh.

Move both BK's out from under the cap,
Use the space made with that and what's still not spent to get a decent #9.

I reckon Michael bridges would happily sign on for 750K
13-09-2015, 01:47 PM
tomo

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Originally Posted by Tommyjet

Yeah I think it would be up to 200k for each of home grown and long service.

Isnt it $200k in total? Not for each player?
13-09-2015, 01:54 PM
Grimario

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Originally Posted by tomo

Isnt it $200k in total? Not for each player?

Total yeah but they are different things... One is the local junior thing, the other is long term players.
13-09-2015, 02:51 PM
GazFish35

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Originally Posted by Grimario

Total yeah but they are different things... One is the local junior thing, the other is long term players.

200k in total or for each category?

gives us the ability to move both players wages out from under the cap, and throw more at a quality 9.
Must be what they're planning.

Wish they would hurry up and announce the new owners (assuming the last six months haven't been all smoke and mirrors) so we can start badgering someone specific to spend their cash on our club.
13-09-2015, 03:06 PM
Grimario

200k each.

· A Loyalty Player allowance has been included to give clubs a sliding scale of Salary Cap relief for players who have played between 5-10 years at the club. The total amount that can be spent on Loyalty Players is $200,000 outside the Salary Cap.
· The existing Home Grown Player allowance outside the Salary Cap has lifted from $150,000 to $200,000. Each Club can include three players who started their careers with the Club, either through the Youth System of the Hyundai A-League squa

http://www.a-league.com.au/article/f...h1ig6tb3cjgxzg
13-09-2015, 03:33 PM
Tommyjet

Also there is the over-22yo rookie exemption meaning we could sign someone from the npl over 22 that hasn't been in the a-league for 2 yrs. if we used it when the new owners arrives it seems it would be used on Alex smith who is now naturalised and impressed on triall.
Sydney just used it to sign Alex Mullen, Daniels cousin.
13-09-2015, 07:28 PM
OmeletteDuFromage

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Originally Posted by Tommyjet

Also there is the over-22yo rookie exemption meaning we could sign someone from the npl over 22 that hasn't been in the a-league for 2 yrs. if we used it when the new owners arrives it seems it would be used on Alex smith who is now naturalised and impressed on triall.
Sydney just used it to sign Alex Mullen, Daniels cousin.

Might be able to move Brennan in to that?
13-09-2015, 07:55 PM
lquiquer

Is Adebayor our new number 9?
13-09-2015, 07:57 PM
joel31

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Originally Posted by lquiquer

Is Adebayor our new number 9?

where did that come from
13-09-2015, 08:00 PM
lquiquer

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Originally Posted by joel31

where did that come from

Just a question ?.... His contract with Spurs has just been terminated
13-09-2015, 08:14 PM
plague

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Originally Posted by lquiquer

Just a question ?.... His contract with Spurs has just been terminated

Yeah seems likely.
I'd say it's now 100% true.

Get your headlines ready Dillon.
13-09-2015, 09:32 PM
Jeterpool

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Originally Posted by lquiquer

Is Adebayor our new number 9?

Imagine that. Wow
13-09-2015, 09:45 PM
hawk

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Originally Posted by Jeterpool

Imagine that. Wow

lets not get hopes up. btw how many obscure cap exemptions. Have we a father son one yet?
13-09-2015, 09:52 PM
tomo

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Originally Posted by lquiquer

Is Adebayor our new number 9?

Surely he would want marquee wages tho
15-09-2015, 11:43 AM
Grimario

It's official... EA has us in for the spoon.

http://www.futhead.com/16/clubs/newcastle-jets/
15-09-2015, 11:46 AM
MFKS

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Originally Posted by Grimario

It's official... EA has us in for the spoon.

http://www.futhead.com/16/clubs/newcastle-jets/

More importantly they reckon Birraz is better than BK :brrr:
15-09-2015, 12:38 PM
Grimario

Actually... I've done some analysis (not really, just a quick look) and they rate the coastie scum worse than ours. We have THREE silver players (Leaky G, Carney and Boogaard) and they only have the one (Ferreira) whilst we are both average of 60.

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