Jones is Out (pg 49)

I think it needs to be noted that not one of our off contract players or "best" performers are being sounded out by a single other A league club. People who think this a "top half" squad with the right manager are havin a larf.

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Originally Posted by Wilso8948

I think it needs to be noted that not one of our off contract players or "best" performers are being sounded out by a single other A league club. People who think this a "top half" squad with the right manager are havin a larf.

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Not publicly, anyway. But I get what you're saying.

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Originally Posted by Wilso8948

I think it needs to be noted that not one of our off contract players or "best" performers are being sounded out by a single other A league club. People who think this a "top half" squad with the right manager are havin a larf.

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Fair comments.

I mean just think about our best players. Super subjective but you'd probably say our best 5 players are:
- Nabbout
- Hoole
- Stevie UG
- Boogard
- Duncan

Again, give or take. Ignore SFC and MV for arguments sake.. but if any of those players went to say WSW, Brisbane, Perth, etc - how many would walk into the starting lineups? I would argue possibly Boogard is the only one.

Feel free to offer alternate opinions on which players would walk into other teams, or if my top 5 are "wrong".

For da Membah -

What do you see as the difference between the team's performance under Stubbins, and the current happenings under Jones?

Serious question, interested to hear your take on it

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Originally Posted by pv4

Fair comments.

I mean just think about our best players. Super subjective but you'd probably say our best 5 players are:
- Nabbout
- Hoole
- Stevie UG
- Boogard
- Duncan

Again, give or take. Ignore SFC and MV for arguments sake.. but if any of those players went to say WSW, Brisbane, Perth, etc - how many would walk into the starting lineups? I would argue possibly Boogard is the only one.

Feel free to offer alternate opinions on which players would walk into other teams, or if my top 5 are "wrong".

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Probably none. As you said Boogard maybe. Most would be bench warmers.

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Originally Posted by WolfMan

For da Membah -

What do you see as the difference between the team's performance under Stubbins, and the current happenings under Jones?

Serious question, interested to hear your take on it

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I not even seeing the correlation here

Muppet had some decent players at his disposal and ****ed it up with his ego becoming the biggest thing in Newy

Even before Griff and Carney ended up in the sand pit etc that team dramatically underperformed.

This lot have up until 3-4 weeks ago been highly competitive in every match .

Since Hoffman got sent they have just imploded

Being the season is over more or less I not see exactly how this transcends things moving forward

New players arrive , new season etc

As soon as Rd 1 starts next season it a new ball game and the last 6 rounds of this season will have **** all bearing

It'd be nice to have the last 6 rounds mean something.

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Originally Posted by MFKS

I not even seeing the correlation here

Muppet had some decent players at his disposal and ****ed it up with his ego becoming the biggest thing in Newy

Even before Griff and Carney ended up in the sand pit etc that team dramatically underperformed.

This lot have up until 3-4 weeks ago been highly competitive in every match .

Since Hoffman got sent they have just imploded

Being the season is over more or less I not see exactly how this transcends things moving forward

New players arrive , new season etc

As soon as Rd 1 starts next season it a new ball game and the last 6 rounds of this season will have **** all bearing

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So, if the team was going well until they imploded, then, they are good enough and the coach is sh1t. Bam, debate over.

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Originally Posted by hawk

So, if the team was going well until they imploded, then, they are good enough and the coach is sh1t. Bam, debate over.

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:shock::shock::shock::shock::shock::shock: youve destroyed Member with one post.

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Originally Posted by Macca

I think we saw enough from various players across the season to suggest we could have done better. After we got half a dozen players back from injury Jones was saying "See guys, if we just had all players available we would have been doing fine." What happened after that run to lead us to where we are now? Not sure.

I think Kokko has been extremely poorly utilised. Its pretty obvious to me that he's a pretty handy footballer and could have scored more goals for us and been a lot more influential in games if he was used in a way to suit his talents.

Hoole and Nabbout were always going to be inconsistent - Member's comparison to Sterling is actually pretty good. But even inconsistent talented players while making a lot of mistakes will have plenty of moments where they put it together and provide for you - these two were doing that earlier in the season but not recently.

Clut has been frozen out for ages despite a lot of minutes earlier in the season where he was looking dangerous and was consistently improving the team's performance coming off the bench.

I think Hoffman is our best FB and does decently. Not sure why he was moved to left to play out of position to accommodate poor options at RB. Leave him at RB and play Mullen/Cowburn/JK/BK whoever at left back. My preference would be Vujica who while mistake prone looked lively and keen early in the season. How far might he have progressed this season if he'd been played?

Ugarkovic has gone backwards this season, he looked so composed and tidy last season where now he's inconsistent and not having much impact. Is this due to instructions from Jones to play a bit more advanced than the dedicated deep-lying / holding role he was playing last year so well? He certainly has been further up the pitch this season from memory.

Formation wise, if you look at where our squad has depth (in numbers if not talent) its probably defence. We have three serviceable CBs in Boogs, Jackson and JK. Possible backup in Mullen and Kanta. The flavour of the month 3 at the back formation may have been worth a shout. Maybe throw Hoole at LWB and Hoffman RWB. Noddy and Kokko up top as a front two. Poljak/Brown with Uga as two holding mids and let Nabbout drift as a nominal midfielder to find space (ie wide) to run into.

Anyway I definitely had better expectations halfway through the season of where we would end up than where we have.

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Originally Posted by pv4

Fair comments.

I mean just think about our best players. Super subjective but you'd probably say our best 5 players are:
- Nabbout
- Hoole
- Stevie UG
- Boogard
- Duncan

Again, give or take. Ignore SFC and MV for arguments sake.. but if any of those players went to say WSW, Brisbane, Perth, etc - how many would walk into the starting lineups? I would argue possibly Boogard is the only one.

Feel free to offer alternate opinions on which players would walk into other teams, or if my top 5 are "wrong".

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Uga would play elsewhere, he is on a rubbish run of form but he has footballing skills.
Hoffman would play in most teams outside the top 4.

Boogard is too old, maybe the Mariners would start him but not many others.
Duncan is the same level as other keepers, which isn't saying much at all.
Nabbout and Hoole are too inconsistent and would be benchwarmers everywhere except the Mariners.

I think Poljak would get game time elsewhere he isn't going to lead a team around the park but can do the dirty work beside a smarter midfielder.

Kantarovski would probably shock us all and turn into the next Steve Lustica. Assists left, right and centre.

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Originally Posted by hawk

So, if the team was going well until they imploded, then, they are good enough and the coach is sh1t. Bam, debate over.

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Being highly competitive doesn't make them good enough

They are only good enough if your the type of low expectation mother ****er who thinks never going to gaol is an achievement to brag about.

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Originally Posted by Frodo

Uga would play elsewhere, he is on a rubbish run of form but he has footballing skills.
Hoffman would play in most teams outside the top 4.

Boogard is too old, maybe the Mariners would start him but not many others.
Duncan is the same level as other keepers, which isn't saying much at all.
Nabbout and Hoole are too inconsistent and would be benchwarmers everywhere except the Mariners.

I think Poljak would get game time elsewhere he isn't going to lead a team around the park but can do the dirty work beside a smarter midfielder.

Kantarovski would probably shock us all and turn into the next Steve Lustica. Assists left, right and centre.

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Hoffman got the arse from Heart before they got better than they were

Poljak was not wanted by the side who finished 9th before the side that finished 10th gave him a new deal

I think by the time you got to Kanta you had been chugging too much KoolAid

As for the rest your probably bang on

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Originally Posted by MFKS

Hoffman got the arse from Heart before they got better than they were

Poljak was not wanted by the side who finished 9th before the side that finished 10th gave him a new deal

I think by the time you got to Kanta you had been chugging too much KoolAid

As for the rest your probably bang on

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Right backs better than Hoffman in my opinion, from this league obviously...

Risdon, Hingert, Franjic, Geria, Elrich. He is about on par with the rest. So that leaves, Wanderers, Adelaide, Wellington, Mariners. Actually can't remember who Sydney are playing at RB but i'm sure he is better.

The argument was which teams would they get game time at or start.


Poljak is hard to argue, but i believe he would get gametime elsewhere.

Kanta was tongue in cheek.

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Originally Posted by Frodo

Right backs better than Hoffman in my opinion, from this league obviously...

Risdon, Hingert, Franjic, Geria, Elrich. He is about on par with the rest. So that leaves, Wanderers, Adelaide, Wellington, Mariners. Actually can't remember who Sydney are playing at RB but i'm sure he is better.

The argument was which teams would they get game time at or start.


Poljak is hard to argue, but i believe he would get gametime elsewhere.

Kanta was tongue in cheek.

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That would be Rhyan Grant - that bloke that was selected for the Socceroos recently. Love Hoff but there is no way he is better.

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Originally Posted by Frodo

Right backs better than Hoffman in my opinion, from this league obviously...

Risdon, Hingert, Franjic, Geria, Elrich. He is about on par with the rest. So that leaves, Wanderers, Adelaide, Wellington, Mariners. Actually can't remember who Sydney are playing at RB but i'm sure he is better.

The argument was which teams would they get game time at or start.


Poljak is hard to argue, but i believe he would get gametime elsewhere.

Kanta was tongue in cheek.

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Also you mentioned Elrich but then said Adelaide.. The Hoff is marginally better then Neville so would possibly get a start at Wanderers, Wellington and Mariners. Once again I revert back to my point that anyone who thinks this is a 'top half' or even top 6 side is taking the absolute piss.

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Originally Posted by furns

That would be Rhyan Grant - that bloke that was selected for the Socceroos recently. Love Hoff but there is no way he is better.

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My bad, i meant to say whoever was playing at Sydney would be better than Hoff. Lazy typing from me. Grant is easily better than Hoffman.

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Originally Posted by Wilso8948

Also you mentioned Elrich but then said Adelaide.. The Hoff is marginally better then Neville so would possibly get a start at Wanderers, Wellington and Mariners. Once again I revert back to my point that anyone who thinks this is a 'top half' or even top 6 side is taking the absolute piss.

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Good point again, lazy typing from me on the adelaide one.


I still feel like your giving teams from 5-8 too much credit. Victory, Sydney, Citeh and Perth have better squads than us across the board. The rest are pretty much on our level when you balance out the entire playing roster.


For future reference everyone can quote me saying this.

"Our team is as shite as the teams from 5-10 and i don't think the players being crap is a good enough excuse for our season turning to Poo. It's a part of the problem and needs to be fixed, however replacing our entire squad wouldn't fix all of our issues/feaces."

Glad to see some sensible discussion around Hoffman.

He isn't the messiah, but he's not a naughty boy either. A very serviceable fullback in this league, although some people would have you believe he was the worst player to ever don boots

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Originally Posted by Frodo

Good point again, lazy typing from me on the adelaide one.


I still feel like your giving teams from 5-8 too much credit. Victory, Sydney, Citeh and Perth have better squads than us across the board. The rest are pretty much on our level when you balance out the entire playing roster.


For future reference everyone can quote me saying this.

"Our team is as shite as the teams from 5-10 and i don't think the players being crap is a good enough excuse for our season turning to Poo. It's a part of the problem and needs to be fixed, however replacing our entire squad wouldn't fix all of our issues/feaces."

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Wellingtons squad is better than ours. They're playing good football now too.

Late start to the season for them, will cost them next season when they all leave.