2016 NEW FM League thread

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Originally Posted by NewyTy

Harold Knight is hard to explain. It's across from Charlestown Toyota and near the Windale turn-off. There's a few fields together called the Mick Middleton Fields which is where they're planning on building their new facilities. St John's Oval is right next to Kahibah Oval, where the Central Charlestown Rugby League team plays.

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That entire area will be developed, Southern Beaches had the higher ovals done and completed last year. Understand CCB are using one of the fields for training this year. Those fields look like a shit hole will be good to have them done up.

Why don't Kahibah share Azzurri's ground.

I've heard a rumor that valo are also getting a hefty amount of cash from LMCC to upgrade the grounds at croudace bay, not sure how true it is tho..

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Originally Posted by LongSufferingFan

So if Kahibah moves to Harold Knight are they going to change their name to Gateshead FC?
The problem if Kahibah moves their whole operations to Gateshead then they are no longer Kahibah. That may be fine for the elite kids but Kahibah FC is a community club first and foremost. What happens to the hundreds of local juniors that want to walk to their under 7s game each saturday?

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Would that mean valo NPL should change to Belmont fc cause of where they play at Cahill oval?

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Originally Posted by newyjet

Would that mean valo NPL should change to Belmont fc cause of where they play at Cahill oval?

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The main difference is that not all the club plays out of Cahill unlike the apparent plan for Kahibah to move the entire club and play out of Mick Middleton

I believe this may be relevant

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivzrbp_WR8w

Go Belswans, shame about the 23's and 1st grade coaches chucking it in a few weeks out. The boys out there are a great bunch and I hope they can lift coming into the new season. They are a growing club and it would be a shame if the great work that Brad 'shooter' Paul could not be built upon this coming season. Hopefully a local legend can rise up and salvage what could only be described as a nervous pre- season. I hope that Sancho has a few contacts.

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Originally Posted by Why Blue

What about Valo with highest junior registration in the NNSWF area, playing out of pretty ordinary facility at crowdace bay and scattered everywhere ??? And in NPL currently not trying to get in.....couple of mill would be massive for them

The thought of millions of public $$$ being spent on one club disgusts me

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for sure. need to spread the $ around

Not sure about the highest juniors. New Lambton has over a 1000. id like to see numbers from both. Its disappointing that junior clubs become that big when others close by struggle for numbers

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Originally Posted by Premy

Possibly I'm a little bias as just 2-3kms up the By-Pass from Harold Knight Oval I play for Garden Suburb.

Whilst our bottom ground isn't great and needs work it's at least playable.
However our top ground where majority of our Juniors play is a clay based nightmare. Our Cubs Junior numbers aren't huge but they're modest for the area and the Club is well run by sensible people. Yes we have a well established Zone League side but our Juniors are the most important commodity to our Club (I'm a Zone League player with no kids). If a brand new facility was built 2-3kms away from us I feel it could be the death knell of our Club, if you were a parent where would you want little Sue or Johny to play? A brand new facilitie or a Concrete like pitch?

To think Kahibah will have all this money/facility just handed to them after just a few years from when their groud gets refurbished makes me sick when I see kids playing football on the sad excuse LMCC call a football ground when we pay the same fees as everyone else.

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Over the past few years significant upgrades have been completed in many LM grounds: Warners Bay, Lake Mac, Valentine, Redhead, Dudley, Kahibah, Belmont have all received drainage, resurfacing or upgraded facilities. Surely this must have been funded by the council. The ovals at Gateshead have been sitting all but dormant for 20 years since Charlestown Hotspur folded. Kahibah and Azzuri have used it in some capacity for training. I'd say council have been trying to better utilise the area and Kahibah have jumped at the chance.Personally I'd rather see Kahibah stay at Kahibah oval but they are a very ambitious club so good luck to them. If I were at GS I'd be asking within the club why your grounds haven't been upgraded.

I thought Kahibah would stay at Kahibah oval and just move the NewFM teams to the Gateshead.

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Originally Posted by Incognito

Over the past few years significant upgrades have been completed in many LM grounds: Warners Bay, Lake Mac, Valentine, Redhead, Dudley, Kahibah, Belmont have all received drainage, resurfacing or upgraded facilities. Surely this must have been funded by the council. The ovals at Gateshead have been sitting all but dormant for 20 years since Charlestown Hotspur folded. Kahibah and Azzuri have used it in some capacity for training. I'd say council have been trying to better utilise the area and Kahibah have jumped at the chance.Personally I'd rather see Kahibah stay at Kahibah oval but they are a very ambitious club so good luck to them. If I were at GS I'd be asking within the club why your grounds haven't been upgraded.

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We at Garden Suburb had drainage installed by council before last season. We have a detailed plan in place for upgrades to our facilities and a team of people working on ways to funds those plans, of which applying for council funding is one of those.

My statement is Kahibah has had major works done to it facilities in the last 3 years at the cost to the Council. Now they again are rumored to be getting a large amount of funding spent on them again whilst other clubs urgent upgrades will go undone.
On top of the example of my Club I can think of half a dozen Clubs off the top of my head that could do with a fraction of the money it would cost to build this new facility at Gateshead.

Morissett 5 Toronto Awaba 2 in the Mikhail DeBastos Shield .....congrats Morissett

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Originally Posted by Premy

We at Garden Suburb had drainage installed by council before last season. We have a detailed plan in place for upgrades to our facilities and a team of people working on ways to funds those plans, of which applying for council funding is one of those.

My statement is Kahibah has had major works done to it facilities in the last 3 years at the cost to the Council. Now they again are rumored to be getting a large amount of funding spent on them again whilst other clubs urgent upgrades will go undone.
On top of the example of my Club I can think of half a dozen Clubs off the top of my head that could do with a fraction of the money it would cost to build this new facility at Gateshead.

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Perhaps this deserves its own thread but what clubs around do we think need something done the most?

Im thinking Cooks Hill Jnrs probably deserve something big in there (id assume player numbers are high) Stevenson park at mayfield, how is that these days? Barnsley Jnr & Snr clubhouses are tiny and terrible, Plattsburg park in the same boat... does anyone still play there?

Warners Bay and Morriset were also there but both being done now. So to Tarro Oval for Bero Jnrs.

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Originally Posted by leftrightout

Perhaps this deserves its own thread

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I've been thinking this as well

hard to work out which posts to keep and which to move - only #61 and #72 seem to be on topic from this page

if someone wants to list the posts to move and suggest a better title than "Council funded facility upgrades" then I can do the admin work

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Originally Posted by leftrightout

Perhaps this deserves its own thread but what clubs around do we think need something done the most?

Im thinking Cooks Hill Jnrs probably deserve something big in there (id assume player numbers are high) Stevenson park at mayfield, how is that these days? Barnsley Jnr & Snr clubhouses are tiny and terrible, Plattsburg park in the same boat... does anyone still play there?

Warners Bay and Morriset were also there but both being done now. So to Tarro Oval for Bero Jnrs.

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Col. Curren is now baseball

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Originally Posted by newyjet

Would that mean valo NPL should change to Belmont fc cause of where they play at Cahill oval?

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Valentine senior teams in the 2HD (NEWFM) comps before the merger with Phoenix were known as Valentine Belmont FC due to the Belmont Sporties Club backing (Belmont at the time had to be in the name - until of course as history will show - they got top level football back).

They also had to play in predominantly blue and gold. Because of this in the last season or two, they wore the orange/blue strip away and a gold(yellow)/blue strip at home

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Originally Posted by boz-monaut

I've been thinking this as well

hard to work out which posts to keep and which to move - only #61 and #72 seem to be on topic from this page

if someone wants to list the posts to move and suggest a better title than "Council funded facility upgrades" then I can do the admin work

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How about "The Grounds Thread"? And don't move any posts, just kick off as any other thread.

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Originally Posted by hawk

for sure. need to spread the $ around

Not sure about the highest juniors. New Lambton has over a 1000. id like to see numbers from both. Its disappointing that junior clubs become that big when others close by struggle for numbers

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The biggest issue I see is that as these "super clubs" attract more and more kids, the smaller clubs continue to get smaller.

In a small club like ours, you lose one or two kids from a particular age group to an A grade squad elsewhere or to an NPL type set up and often we cant attract replacement players and an entire team is lost. Some kids find new clubs with our help, others just cease to play football.

The long term result of this will be at some point small clubs won't be viable and there will be other sports lining up to take over the facilities.

Maybe there is too many junior clubs in too compressed an area, but there will be a downside to the bigger clubs cannibalising the smaller ones.

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Originally Posted by sammydog

The biggest issue I see is that as these "super clubs" attract more and more kids, the smaller clubs continue to get smaller.

In a small club like ours, you lose one or two kids from a particular age group to an A grade squad elsewhere or to an NPL type set up and often we cant attract replacement players and an entire team is lost. Some kids find new clubs with our help, others just cease to play football.

The long term result of this will be at some point small clubs won't be viable and there will be other sports lining up to take over the facilities.

Maybe there is too many junior clubs in too compressed an area, but there will be a downside to the bigger clubs cannibalising the smaller ones.

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The problem with some of these clubs taking so many kids is that you start getting to the stage where some clubs are fielding 3 teams in the one age group and if the age groups are small enough you start seeing clubs play against each other. On top of that these clubs are happy to take these players but the training area is small and a detriment and on top of that you see some of these junior teams playing late. Parents don't want their Saturday afternoon ruined because they have to hang around and wait for the game that kicks off at 2 and some of the fathers have their own games kicking off and are then forced to choose. The associations should be putting limits to the number of teams a club can field in each age group based on number of players in comp, ground availability and number of clubs willing to participate in those comps.

I think for example, clubs like Merewether that only have 1 full sized ground for the size they are, need more looking after than clubs like Kahibah, New Lambton, Adamstown etc.