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What's even worse is the HAL side has been shit in this time frame so there is no excuse that the kids couldn't have been given a goQuote:
Originally Posted by Jonty
It different scenario if they were all 2006-2008 when we had a quality side.
Then you can understand why local Yoof may not have got a go
But when you are not in the finals for 6 years?? Now what exactly is the excuse why these kids were not given a go
It ain't like the senior players were doing the business
In saying that though. How many have gone on to bigger and better things at other clubs at A league level? Yes I understand opportunities etc and I'm a little beside the point but I just thought it was worth pointing out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jonty
For a start if the kids ain't getting the opportunity to make a name for themselves at the Jets then they are not gonna be picked up by rival clubsQuote:
Originally Posted by Wilso8948
They have their own kids to look after
They ain't gonna be given chances to other clubs Yoof team players as they will sign their own established players and give their own Yoof a go first
That the sort of thing our club would do in give someone else's failed Yoof a go
Mate as soon as these kids end up back in the NPL it is almost certain career ending for them. There are not gonna be that many who escape the NPL
Yeh fully agree. As I said I understand they can't showcase without opportunities. Was just merely pointing it out that none of these have gone on to be world beaters. Remember that ultimately the A league should be seen as the elite of the elite, not including Europe etc. If there are certain kids who are in that category then I think that they will ultimately rise to the top no matter what system they are in. And lets be honest these kids are probably already in European youth systems not paying their way at the emerging Jets.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
I suppose the goal of the emerging Jets is to increase the quality of youth throughout the region and increase the pool of talented youngsters the Jets can draw on and bring through. I see this as where they are failing as others have pointed out.
It may not have helped we have had 4 coaches in 3 years. They may have felt more reluctant to give youth a chance because they we re focused on saving/establishing their jobs.
On the flipside, given the team wasn't performing you'd expect the fringe players to get a run.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeterpool
Very trueQuote:
Originally Posted by RAM
****ing bingo. You don't need to be great to make a start, but you need to make a start to be great. Like trying to get a job fresh out of uni. Every place wants someone with 3 years experience, but how can you get that experience without being given a chance or a start somewhere?Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
As an example of youth development on the other end of the scale, Southampton over in England are world renowned for their academy. What they do with their top academy performers, quite often they will give them a 1 year senior deal and give them a chance in the senior environment. From there, it's sink or swim. A few are kept on - i.e. - Luke Shaw, James Ward-Prowse, Harrison Reed, Lloyd Isgrove, Adam Lallana, Matt Targett, Sam Gallagher. By no means are all of those household names, but they all have been given the senior exposure and have either gone onto bigger and better things, or the club has kept them on as an investment for the future. A lot don't make it past that first year out of the academy, but at least they are given a chance.
Closer to home, look at other HAL clubs who have given a decent opportunity to their kids. Not just one training camp, or a few weeks of being cannon fodder at senior training. Off the top of my head - Kamau (ADL), Clut (BRI), Rose (CCM). Given a chance, and have done some pretty decent things. Actually, I've seen Kamau twice play in the NYL 2 seasons ago - he couldn't get a start at ADL NYL!!! I was baffled he was even given a go off the bench at first, fast forward and he's scoring injury time winners away vs MVC. Clut played in a combined HS tournament against many of the Newy boys I mentioned above and were on a similar level. Rose IMHO is no better than our locals, but look at what some investment in youth does! There are many more, but I won't re-write war and peace.
Look at some of the CCM youth guys who have been given a go in the senior environment after their season was effectively killed off - Pearce, Heward-Belle, Bingham, Berry, Buhagiar etc. Pearce never really made inroads in Newy, Heward-Belle was the NYL #2 before Izzo was sent off one day, Bingham = poor man's Kale/Remo, Berry totally outclassed by Jets NYL midfield twice last season, Buhagiar = poor man's Bingham. Papas is down there ATM and IMO is more deserving of a go than those guys. Either in defence or in midfield.
So if you look at our 'golden generation' as I coined it above, what's our excuse for not investing in those guys? Because with the right development pathway and treatment, that could have been one hell of a youth contingent pushing the more established players at the club.
http://www.theherald.com.au/story/38...-deal/?cs=2439Quote:
ETS coach Scott Miller says youth team striker Cameron Joice is on track to join the A-League squad before the start of next season.
Joice returned to Newcastle from a two-year stint at the FFA Centre of Excellence in Canberra early this year and trained for two weeks with the senior squad.
The former Joeys striker has joined the youth team under coach Clayton Zane and kicked off the Northern NSW NPL with three goals in two games.
Miller said this week that he was impressed with the 17-year-old’s attitude, technical ability and physical attributes.
“Coming through the AIS program, he was highly recommended,” Miller said.
“Clayton Zane has taken him on now, and that was the process, rather than to rush into anything, and he understands it as well. We value Cameron. We like his attributes as a footballer . . . I’d assume he’d be involved with the club at some point.”
The Jets released 19-year-old winger Brandon Lundy last weekend. Under A-League rules, they must have at least three contracted players aged under 20.
“The under 20s are ones you don’t necessarily rush into, but Cameron is definitely on the radar. We see him as that under-20 person at this club,” Miller said.
Joice’s next challenge will come with the youth team on Friday night against 2015 NPL champions Edgeworth.
Eagles defender Ayden Brice trained with the youth team over the summer but opted to return to the Eagles.
Edgeworth have started the year with wins over Lambton and Weston and beat the Jets comfortably in a pre-season trial.
Miller said Joice’s progress during the winter would determine his immediate future with the A-League club.
“Whether or not he lives up to those expectations in the next two to three months in that competition will be completely up to him, because contracts aren’t earned on a two-week trial.
“We want the under 20s to be consistent two-year deals where we can progress them and develop them, and they should be your supplementary squad in two years’ time.
“He’s got ability, but he’s got that physical characteristic where he’s only going to get bigger as well.
“You look at his lower body and you think he’s got ability to strengthen and get bigger.
“When he trained here it was interesting because he wasn’t up to the speed of it, but you could see his awareness of space.
“It’s not all about youth development, but you certainly need the right youth players in here, because they can’t hinder the session, because that will annoy the senior players, so you’ve got to be at least a minimum standard.”
Some past and present NYL guys got high praise from the boss in pre-season and the early parts of the campaign...and now no-one wants to know about them and ended up in the bin with the others. How long til Joice joins them? Or will the prestigious 'AIS' tag on his head be enough for the gaffer to invest in youth?
P.S - Nothing against Joice, serious question. He has impressed me with what I saw at Weston a fortnight ago.
Heh.Quote:
Eagles defender Ayden Brice trained with the youth team over the summer but opted to return to the Eagles.
I certainly don't think you need to field a squad full of youth players when senior players are not performing/season is gone (or even half, or a quarter), but surely there's opportunity there for a kid or two when the season IS gone, you're 2 or 3-0 down with say 20 to play and you normally only use 1 sub anyway.........Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeterpool
Good point about getting kids on the bench and giving them a run.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jonty
Though I think we missed a couple of tricks at the end of the season
As far as I am concerned when we played Perth Glory and Roar we were out of the finals by that stage.
What was the point in picking our alleged best XI??
We should have taken the opportunity to give Jackson Brennan Cooper etc starts and gave them 90 mins. Throw in a few Yoof etc as well
We didn't even take the opportunity to develop them
Instead we picked our best available XI when it mattered little.
Fair enough Gypos away play best side
But what was the point of playing Alivodic Kitto etc when the coach alrwady had ideas they were not part of the future plans yet he leaves blokes out who are part of next season's squad??
Can no longer hold my tongue so thought to add a bit of truth on this matter. Firstly would like to disclose I am known to Reece Papas so can tell it as I know it with a bit of inside information. Papas has been over recent years one of Northerns highest achieving footballers for his age an FFA Aus rep U16 Afc qualifiers DM Aus School Boy rep u19 player of the tournament at the Australian Championships representing NSW CB. Aus School Boy Wales/England Tour Captain and player of the tour voted by coaching staff DM, MOM against English All School National side, every player in Academy sides such as Manchester United, Manchester City, Arsenal etc voted by English All School Committee, a very rare occurrence to be given to a player of a losing side and only once before given to an Australian player so a huge honour. Asked while there from an Aston Villa scout to trial, ended up staying 3 months and also trialled at QPR, Liverpool, Stoke, and Bolton. Offered a contract with Bolton and also asked to go back to Aston Villa, QPR and Stoke subject to getting a EU passport which was being processed but has taken 2 years to finalise just received this year. Played part of the last game of the season after being rested for 2 weeks from an injury with u21 Stoke v U21 Arsenal at Britania Stadium DM. Feedback from all was great player would do well but needs to be exceptional to be accepted as an overseas player a very big home grown policy has been put in place by their Governing body. Australian Nike Chance winner went to St George Park Uk over 5k applicants applied for the trial in Australia. Has represented Northern at all levels and captained all sides chosen in the All Star Sides. Went to Institute Challenge Canberra on 3 occasions hoping to be looked at for the AIS or told they were playing for an opportunity to be picked but found out the 4-5 positions available the kids had been already told they had been accepted prior to the Tournament being played, mainly from Adelaide and Perth funny that is where the 2 coaches were from?? Now back to the Jets, been involved for around 4 years whilst and after playing for NNSWIS. First contracted 13/14 NYL season after playing for them 2013 NBN comp for zip $0 the only player that played every game except the last which he was away at Nationals for the School Boys. The only player who was not paid while 2-3 players being paid were playing 22s the ones that were brought in from out of the area and contracted but were not up to playing first grade?? Another kick in the teeth for being local. After being selected in the Aus School Boys asked if he could go away expecting them to say no but they agreed to let him tour what a great experience. The aftermath of this was to be benched most games in the NYL before going away only to play against AIS as no overage players were allowed. When the opportunity came to extend the stay in the UK the Jets said they are going to cancel his contract. Does he come back to sit on the bench or play a couple of games that are left with the Jets in a development comp where there no finals etc or take the great opportunity to stay and trial?? I think the decision would be fairly easy. After further discussions with the Jets they apologised and supposedly after a meeting decided to honour is contract $100pw however no further payments were made. At this point he was ready to move on and with hindsight probably should have. He returned just in time for the NBN season and agreed to come back with the agreement he could have the opportunity play in the midfield instead of right back which they were making him play,everyone could see it was not the position for him except the powers to be. This was honoured for most of the season and was up there for player of the year behind Connor Evans this was announced and from that week never played there again was pushed back to CB for the rest of the reason I think they only won 1 of their remaining games. However it was a very successful year for them. When they all received their contracts for this season Reece never received 1 at this point and was told he will get his soon it is going to be different to everyone elses asking further questions he was told he is not going to be paid because he stayed in the UK. He was never paid why he was away they stopped them and never honour his contract as they agreed. After his parents got involved and asked questions they were told not to interfere as this is between the player and Club. The Club continued to argue the point but were told to check their records to show no payments were made as they continued to insist the contract was honoured as that is what they agreed to. A new contract was signed the next week no further discussions were had. The following NYL season they persisted at playing him predominantly RB and a bit of CB. 2015 NBN yet another coach not sure if he played more 2 games in a row in the one position was all over the place RB CB DM AM. Not sure how you can develop playing like this? Was told a year before from a senior coach it is great he can play several positions will really help him later on but it is hard to promote him because he does not have a specialised position. Who created that issue? Not the player but the coaches!!! As time went on more broken promises more bullshit less opportunity no communication no plan no pathway only going backwards due to bad decisions made by hierarchy. More players coming in with no more ability but getting opportunity players with lesser ability getting rewarded. Probably trained a handful of times with first team over all this time but kept being told next week. Went away with first team for preseason after impressing in the midfield at senior training then gets to play to try and impress put plays LB which he has never every played before. No communication upon return no commitments made, training now with 15 16 17 year olds not good for development or being pushed to that never level. Was told years ago by many people if you want to get anywhere with football should get out of here. Had several opportunities to leave a call from Steve Corica and his response was" thanks for asking but I would like to do the right thing by the Jets as they have put a lot of time in to me". Life lesson, loyalty gets you nowhere. After seeing no plan was bold enough to recognise it and called a staff member at the time to say he has had enough of all the bullshit and is finishing up has to start considering his future. Was offered if needed assistance to find another club, refused the offer and off his own back approached CCM to trial. After trialling for several weeks was offered a contract in the youth side for the NYL. Knowing he had to reestablish himself in a new environment was going to be challenging. So far all going well came in late so lost early opportunity to play with the first team at preseason but had the opportunity to play a preseason at Orange and has had more times training with the first team then he every had in Newcastle. Captained the youth side for NYL. Positive feedback wow what is that and appears been given a plan. A change and the challenge has been good, only issue has to now fight the battle of not being a local quite funny really being a local in Newcastle was a hindrance now not being a local works the same, such is life. Could go either way only time and hard work will tell.
Sorry about the long winded comment but just showing and trying to explain why so many get so frustrated with our so called development program.
ill get the pitchfork, going to jam it in a few jets management asses
DudeQuote:
Originally Posted by Baffled
seriously
punctuation and paragraphs ffs
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Thanks for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Baffled
Was not certain as to what the story was with Reece from the outside looking in.
Could see he was getting shafted and not played correctly or given the chance to develop correctly.
A glowing endorsement on the failings of the EJ right there
Not quite as long winded as baffled, but I to can vouch for the emerging jets, know a boy played for Macquarie ( Rep ) as a striker from U9 through to U13, was up there with most promising coming through, Cameron Joice was the Newcastle rep equivalent, then he played for NNSW every Wednesday night in Sydney against the Marconis, Sydney Olympics etc, but was played at RFB in the old 4-3-3 system, where was all technical driven and didn't matter that they were getting pumped 10-0 as long as they played 4-3-3.
His natural striking ability was lost, due to this, then U14 was not selected, but a certain coach brought in a new striker, friends son, and the boy went back to playing club football, and has learnt more playing first grade NPL with the men, then he would ever learn playing with the boys.
I could name a team of 17-18yo playing NPL and Newfm that should have been given more chances at the elite level. One is at Kahibah, couple at Azzuri, Valentine, Edgeworth and Magic ....... kids who lost faith in Emerging Jet selections and chose club football first.
This is exactly whats happening with cowburn the coaches and the player himself says he is best suited to central midfield yet where is he playing LB or RB :wtf::wtf::wtf:
Its like picking Mitchell Pearce for State of Origin and putting him on the wing haha
Or picking Pearce for origin full stopQuote:
Originally Posted by GO AWAY