Wasn't sure where to put this.
http://www.theherald.com.au/story/49...llence/?cs=306
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Wasn't sure where to put this.
http://www.theherald.com.au/story/49...llence/?cs=306
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Originally Posted by Premy
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“This process will include broad community consultation. Key AFL, cricket, rugby union, netball, athletics, croquet and football stakeholders will all be consulted.”
oh im absolutely positive that all of these groups will be able to come up with a fair and balanced resolution.
by the way is council building this before or after the spanish steps in hunter street mall?
Not sure where else to put this
What are everyone's thoughts on 14-16NPL coaches requiring to have the C Senior License instead of Youth?
Senior is focused on winning games and setting up your team from week to week depending on the opposition
Something the NPL does not encourage?
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Originally Posted by football_macigian23
It fits with FFA's model where u/14 is part of the game training phase, shape and structure rather than skill development. 9-13 is skill acquisition phase which is the youth component of the C Licence.
It's a big commitment for the coaches but the courses are well worth it. If we're serious about improving the standard then it's a must to do these courses so the kids get the benefit of educated coaches.
The issue for the coaches is the $ don't yet match the commitment and hours required to coach at this level.
Would you consider NPL, even at youth level, grass roots?
I'm not sure, what does grass roots even mean? NPL youth is not a bad level. Jobe Wheelhouse has a team in Spain and drew 2-2 with Atletico Madrid under 13's. That's a very impressive result. This is a select team which would probably be top 4-6 in their local NPL under 13 age group.Quote:
Originally Posted by sammydog
I call grass roots your kids who are just having a run in a non-elite team. Your standard mini-Roos and junior football.
Personally, once you move into development squads and elite programs, I don’t think it’s grass roots anymore.
I think for the various federations though, these youth NPL are grass roots and everything else below it doesn’t exist, or just isn’t important.
Impressive result??Quote:
Originally Posted by Onehunglow
Where those Spanish kids actually improve is between the ages of 15/20
That where they have it over us
They progress rapidly where as our kids stagnate at that age
Plus I couldn't give two ****s about some result in a match like this
You have any idea on the strength of the opposition??
Spanish football is light years ahead of Australian football at every age. Don't give me that crap about late development.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
The opposition was Athletico Madrids Under 13's, after that result they sent in a stronger group and the Newcastle boys beat them 4-1.
I've toured Europe with Newastle youth players before and we generally don't get anywhere near the kids in the same age, so yes it is an impressive result.
If you don't give a shit then don't comment.
Grassroots = cashcow
Kids today are shit athletes. They are slow and have **** all endurance due to the Nintendo / Xbox / Playstation effect of sitting on their arses too much. Not an opinion either - it's easily backed up if you look at records from district, state, zone, and club level - many of which still stand from the early 1970's.
In the 60's and 70's, even the 80's kids walked, ran, skated, or rode bikes everywhere. We played football, cricket, basketball, hockey, tennis, you name it... every day with our friends - rain hail or shine, during and after school. If it wasn't an official organised match we organised it ourselves.
This is the problem. Everyone is expecting these cash whore elite programs to make silk purses out of sows ears.
yeah but all the kids were on steroids back then.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Dunster
grassroots is not any youth repQuote:
Originally Posted by sammydog
spot on. All that outdoor sh1t honed many skills at earlier ages.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Dunster
Pity the game of football didnt evolve here to suit the skills sets of the day. Aus could have been stronger much earlier
That’s my take on it, but so many people consider grass roots to be youth at the elite level, not sure what you call kids who just play.Quote:
Originally Posted by hawk
The real grass roots is being shit on by the push to get as many kids as physically possible into an elite program. The elite is no longe elite, it’s a talent diluted cash cow.
It is rather ironic David Gallop used the word pyramid recently to describe FFA's marketing approach.
It is more apt to use the word pyramid to describe the way the game is funded. Just you watch the costs go through the roof if the Socceroos fail to qualify for the world cup. Gotta make up the shortfall somehow and who better to start with than the kids and there my kids the next star parents.
Did anyone else see that Blacktown City are charging $1,500 (includes kit :roflz:) for PreSAP program, Under 5-6?
Seriously a joke now..
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Originally Posted by football_macigian23
Would not surprise. I can recall being told back in 2013 what they were charging for Jnr rego . Made the $ 600-700 some clubs up here were charging inc kit look very benevolent.
Got to pay the first grade squads after allQuote:
Originally Posted by football_macigian23
How else these blokes going to get the big money playing football in a state league getting crowds of 500 /1000 a game??
SAP program (8's upwards) was supposed to be in that range according to our club but they are working on getting it to around half that price.Quote:
Originally Posted by football_macigian23
2 training sessions per week, 30 games a season, $700 would be on par compared to what you get for basic kickaround rego.
but yeah, $1500 is bad.
So where the money going at your club Plague??Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
I taking it they not a NPL club??
Who is actually pocketing this cash??
Most clubs have already had some sort of trial or selection for SAP, what are they charging around the town?Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
Ha ha "pocketing this cash" do you have any idea what it takes to run a football club and the costs that are involved?Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
Take into account registration fees (NNSW/FFA), Match officials, Kits and gear, ground hire, Council lighting fees, Coaching costs and you don't end up with much left.
Give us a transparent breakdown of a club then?Quote:
Originally Posted by howardyou
Unless the coaches are taking a heap, and the kit is playing gear/training/off field kit, the rest doesn't add up to $700+.
Rego fees are around half.Quote:
Originally Posted by sammydog
Say you sign 9 players for $6k.
Then,
Rego fees with FFA / NNSW are $3k - This also pays for ground & training hire, match officials at Hub
Kits cost $1500 (Average $150-$200 per player for full SAP licenced playing kit. Off field wear and training kits)
Assume Coach costs $1k (not sure on this or what is standard)
Training gear $500
Nothing left over for a club's overheads. It's not as simple as some think.
im sure they'll offer up a breakdown if asked.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
as mentioned, for 30 games and 2 nights per week coaching, kit etc that $700-$800 figure seems on par.
the coaches our club have involved are credentialed and wouldnt (nor shouldnt) be doing it for free.
as a parent, the easy option to save money is to just not do the program.
the cash doesnt concern me, our family is lucky we can afford it.
but.
my concern is the actual type of coaching the kid will receive. from the trials it seemed they went after one particular 'type' of player. but after seeing some of the kids selected, i was pleasantly surprised. it looks like the club is trying to build a team, not just a bunch of kids doing tricks.
if this is the philosophy, im keeping him in (as long as he continues to get selected). but if it reverts to just teaching them a bunch of flicks and tricks then ill sit him in front of Zidane and Iniesta DVD's instead and save the money.
Just stick to Iniesta.Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
Zidane was alright but if you want to teach a kid how to play the game then Iniesta is the man
Disagree though about the bit about the coaches shouldn't be doing it for free.
It the money people are paying for programs such as this that are seeing a lot of people making a living or some income from the game
Judging by the end results and the lack of world class players this country produces they ain't worth being paid when other nations can produce world class players and the coaches are not being paid like they get in this back water of a country
Why should they do it for free?Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
Grassroots should be cheap but any sort of rep or credentialed coach deserves a few $ imo.
The other problem with average grade player fees is not with, "pocketing cash" as i think that would be rare, but taking on projects (not the usual upkeep) that increases fees and that many parents might not think is needed.
Seems to be done elsewhere in the worldQuote:
Originally Posted by EH9
But no in this country everyone needs a hand out
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Originally Posted by Onehunglow
Having done the C Licence- Youth I can tell you the components and requirements to obtain the licence was much more about the game-training phase and teaching that rather than the skill acquisition phase. A training plan on game training had to be drawn up and then the game-training component of the plan had to be conducted and assessed. The requirements to obtain the full C-licence also required a skill-acquisition training plan to be drawn up and conducted. Not sure why those doing both Senior and Youth had to do Skill-Acq and those only doing Youth only had to do a game training component but what is actually taught doesn't fit with your reasoning.
C-licence Youth is suitable for U14-U16 YPL coaches.
That price is not even a new concept.Quote:
Originally Posted by football_macigian23
What club is playing a living wage for their junior coaches? I want in.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
I would like a source on this claim that the countries that produce star players don't pay their coaches.Quote:
Judging by the end results and the lack of world class players this country produces they ain't worth being paid when other nations can produce world class players and the coaches are not being paid like they get in this back water of a country
Argentina you think they paying coaches to produce your Messi's and Maradona's and Agueros etcQuote:
Originally Posted by Goatscheese
You think Brazil are paying coaches to produce your Neymar's Ronaldinho Fat Ronnie's etc??
The coaching they getting in their formative years is unpaid if they even getting coached at all
It ain't to they getting to a Euro Club they getting training under some certificate laden bloke getting paid to do the job
Can you try writing this again? Your inability to compose a sentence without missing, incorrect words and basic grammar makes deciphering your posts incredibly difficult.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
Also you saying something happens isn't proof.
Just as you saying that coaches in Sth America get paid to produce players isn't proof either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goatscheese
Reality is that outside of the top tier of football in every country on the planet there is **** all $$$ floating around
People actually do the job for the love of the game and to help others
But in this country there is cash going to mid level coaching
But no in this shit country it all about some entitlement to be paid to put some witches hats out
Could be a big drop in participants if the active kids bonus goesQuote:
Name and shame the clubs.
Plenty didn't put fees up, maybe they should be praised/promoted instead of worrying about those who took advantage of the rebates. Sad thing is, the parents keep going back when there are plenty of other options (for Newcastle and Macquarie players) without having to travel too far.
Newcastle Football has to approve a club's registration for the upcoming season with the club providing a detailed spreadsheet of the breakdown in expenses. Clubs are justifying their increases to the fed. Ref fees, council fees and fed fees have all increased from last season.Quote:
Originally Posted by sammydog
We kept our fees the same. There was no point in raising fees for entry level children when all that is going to happen is the club gets bigger and stronger.
In fact, 5-7 years are free rego if you use the Active Kids voucher. Which is how it should be.
Those parents complaining and thinking that their cricket fees are going to increase in Summer clearly haven't read the terms of the Active kids voucher and noticed that you only get one a year.
I know exactly what all the fees went up by in relation to the breakdowns across the board. I went through the process of setting the fees for our club and having them approved by Macquarie. You can not argue that though there isn't a big disparity between the increases that clubs have applied for, it can not be just a coincidence that there have been some big fee increases at some clubs at the same time as there is a $100 rebate on offer.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Magician
Our junior fees went up by from between $10 (U6) through to $20 (U17) for juniors. That is taking into account all the increases in fees across the Refs, Councils, NNSW, FFA, etc. We are not taking a loss by setting our fees this way.
I'm disjointed that the herald only focused on those clubs with the big increases. They should go as far as pointing out the many clubs did not seek a big increase in fees. Let the parents know that there is options if the fees concern them.