That is the killer on VAR
Devonhead goes down as he stops feels some contact and falls to the ground
VAR upholds it
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That is the killer on VAR
Devonhead goes down as he stops feels some contact and falls to the ground
VAR upholds it
FMD
Because it was a penalty.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
Agreed. Ref's are second guessing themselves and it will impact their control in the fuller context of a game, not just on those VAR related decisions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jetmaster
well if anything it explains the uselessness of the thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
if ref calls a penalty, VAR has no reason to overrule it.
if ref says no penalty, VAR doesnt have irrefutable proof of an error to be able to overrule it.
ergo: VAR is useless.
But it isn't a penalty because MFKS can't get past person issues he has with Carney to recognise that it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by idontwannaplaywithhowey
That was never a penalty. Carney moved towards Herd and made contact occurQuote:
Originally Posted by leftrightout
Call it for what it was a dive
If that was a foreigner doing that people are up in arms about it
But because it an Aussie it apparently ok and intelligent play etc
I will point something out to you Herd never made a challenge on Carney
Being that is the case it isn't a foul
I am not going to bother challenging your opinion there... it was a foul and so was penalty in my opinion!Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
Carney's first contact is to raise his elbow up and make contact with Herds faceQuote:
Originally Posted by leftrightout
He then somehow loses balance from this and falls over
Go watch the replay
It what happened
I agree with MFKS. Not a penalty for me, but can see why it’s been given.
The VAR probably saw it the same, not a glaring mistake so can’t change the decision.
VAR is useless though, see how long it held up a corner being taken? Piss it off FFS
Carney dive, he loves that sh1t.
Good work today on Jade North hand ball
Meant to fix obvious errors hey??
Case closed
Bin the shite now
Still hate the thing even though it just saved our arse
At least Boogaard is good at VAR.
100% agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
Would much rather some wrong calls than that business.
Shouldve been way quicker. Got it right though, how tragic
Previously someone might have had a whinge but on the whole not much would have happened other than a goal given.
VAR causes pandemonium and ill feeling. Can see something really bad happening down the track, especially in the big leagues.
What about off the park amongst fans??Quote:
Originally Posted by Jetmaster
All good and well winding ****s up on twitter you never met but how many fans going to give the big ones to rival fans in person on the back of VAR farcical decision ??
What happens then when some **** gets killed ??
Basically all it is doing is ****ing something else that didn't need un**** in the first place
Football is not fair or perfect
It though is a reflection on life though
Not fair or perfect and you don't necessarily get justice for your efforts
Just get rid off this shit already.
Reviewing everything is a bit of a disaster.
I think it can serve a purpose in the game. The whole point is to overrule obvious errors (much the same as the cricket or tennis) but as we have seen with those sports, things are being referred and overturned due to very fine margins. I wouldn’t want to see that happen.
Unfortunately, when you only overturn obvious errors, there’s a lot of subjectivity in what is an “obvious” error. The handball was one of those 60/40s where ref probably deemed unintentional and unavoidable and is therefore not an obvious error. Maybe a small error instead.
I think each team should be given 1, or 2 challenges. A captain or coach should be able to ask for a review when the ball goes out next, prior to restart of play.
We would be here today complaining about how there was an offside in the buildup to a goal we Conceded. It should be used sparingly, not after every incident.
I say no to "challenges" - that has ruined cricket as it is used as a tactic and not to stop the "howler". The last 5 minutes of a game would be madness as there maybe a couple of "challenges" left, and in a tight game there will be appeals for the most innocent thing.
I always thought the idea was to just play the game and ref as normal. If something obvious has been missed sure, call it back. You don't need the on field ref involved and you don't need to stop the game.
I pray I'm watching that moment when a certain penalty is disallowed and the defending team runs up the other end and scores.
BTW, I hate the comeback I have now heard Bozza, Slater and Peacock say when they hear dissent about the VAR - "it's here to stay".
Agree but as I said earlier now Fox has embraced the concept and they have Maccas sponsoring it (!?) it will be used more and more - wouldn't be half surprised if Maccas have demanded a quota.Quote:
It should be used sparingly, not after every incident.
This used to be my thought process as well but last week was a good example to change my mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bremsstrahlung
It was mentioned on here (maybe in 3 comments?) that a Perth player was offside in the lead up to Perth’s first goal.
It didn’t even stir much of a discussion (from the fans who were ‘wronged’) and I didn’t give 2 shits about it and don’t even go back and look to see if it was true.
I just kind of thought ‘oh well we copped a bad decision’ and moved on.
I think there’s a lot of fans who think the same way.
To be fair though I’d it was a ‘big’ team that copped the bad call the media would have run with it.
4 minutes to decide the second penalty.
only 3 minutes additional time, despite two injuries as well.
go figure.
Time off for VAR is essentialQuote:
Originally Posted by belchardo
So far what are Sydney with VAR calls 100% in their favour??
Aren't they also the team benefitiing the most in just sheer volume ???
FFA and their bias towards them is becoming a joke really
VAR is sky blue
Stick your VAR love Bozza...this is not improving things and "teething troubles" is no excuse after 6 months.
Players and fans screaming for video reviews...VAR delays when there is no reason to review...this is just f****** up the game.
Quick question:
Hypothetically, let’s say the referee didn’t blow his whistle a split second before Nabbout scored the offside goal. Linesman raised flag, Nabbout scores, ref blows whistle for offside.
Can that be reviewed?
I read a Q and A with Howard Webb about the MLS VAR and he basically said that players must play to the whistle and not the flag. Which has been the way for years. But I think it’s an interesting the way VAR has changed the way the game is played. In the above scenario. If it was reviewed and deemed he was onside, the goal would be awarded.
For those watching at home, was anything reviewed in our game?
What if he is flagged for offside and the whistle goes, he continues anyway (like Ali Abbas probably could have done last week), scores and then gets booked for not stopping for the whistle. Replay shows he was onside?
So many permutations yet to come under the VAR microscope but again just shows that it cannot be foolproof.
The simple question is has this reduced the controversies - no, it has increased them. All we need is a seriously dodgy one to go against the Smurfs and like Kossie said "we can throw it in the bin". I did note last night that Bozza did not respond to that comment.
Irony is though why weren't they booked though ??
Is it any different than King Vuj getting booked yesterday for playing the pass after giving a hand ball up??
All he did was kick the ball away there and Beath carded him
Technically he was playing the whistle etc
I looked up the rules for VAR in A league games:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jetmaster
https://www.myfootball.com.au/news/h...-you-need-know
Quote:
WHAT CAN THE VAR RULE ON?
The VAR can rule on four different categories of "key match incidents"…
Goals
Did the ball cross the line, was there a foul or an offside missed in the build-up to the goal or did the ball go out of play in the build-up?
Penalty incidents
Was a foul committed inside or outside the penalty area, has a penalty been missed or has one been wrongly awarded?
Direct red cards
Was a potential send-off missed or was a red card wrongly issued?
Mistaken identity
Was a yellow or red card awarded to the wrong player?
yeah, there was a challenge by herd on nabbout i think that got reviewed, even though the ref had a clear line of sight and was only a few metres away.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bremsstrahlung
Welcome to the NRL where the Refs are right in front but go to the video because then if its the wrong call well its the video refs fault not mine.Quote:
Originally Posted by belchardo
...or like in cricket when 1 or 2 umpires were openly criticised for giving runouts confidently by their own judgement and not referring.
This thread has fallen way too far down.
btw why does the ref have to go to the sideline to look at something the video ref has already seen and deemed as a fk up.
Just overrule the joke in the middle and speed it up.
I assuming you talking about the Heart penalty tonight ??Quote:
Originally Posted by hawk
Thought it was pretty clear cut and cant believe the clown with the whistle didn't give it straight away
It wasn't even really a grey area pen either
Pretty clear cut from my lounge room
yeah this is the bigger point than VAR.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
How did the ref and touchy miss that?
woeful.
Perhaps they didn’t miss it, and the perceived safety net of the VAR means they don’t make decisions anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
A-League is now the Summer NRL, more refs, less decisions
the kiwi commentators at one point yesterday said words to the effect of "don't put your flag up for an offside call and let the VAR sort it out in the aftermath". WTF?Quote:
Originally Posted by WolfMan
also, several times the pheonix crowd could be heard loudly chanting for the VAR to intervene. yeah, this is what we want in football.
Disgraceful. I live in hope we can look back at this and see it as a dark blot on a largely bright history. My fear is that it is the new normalQuote:
Originally Posted by belchardo
What came first; bad decisions by refs or the frustrated crowds yelling at cheating refs?Quote:
Originally Posted by WolfMan
VAR to the rescue again.
i think a red is harsh, but i can see why they gave it.