We've had to Dual Register players to avoid issues with O35 playing as fill ins for AA.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charman
We clarify this every year as it makes no sense, but the advice is always the same.
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We've had to Dual Register players to avoid issues with O35 playing as fill ins for AA.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charman
We clarify this every year as it makes no sense, but the advice is always the same.
Thanks mate.Quote:
Originally Posted by sammydog
We didn't know and the ref didn't seem to know or care so we just played a few under 15's to avoid any punishment.
nope
for the purposes of borrowing players it's all the same as far as grading
you can play the same grade as you are registered in or higher, be that Friday, Saturday, All Age, Over 35 or juniors
a team is limited to four borrowed players and those borrowed players cannot take the field before a player registered in the team
they also have to be marked as borrowed on the teamsheet, including the grade they are registered in
Is there a limit of fill-in games for players before they become automatically regraded up the the higher level? Or does duel rego negate this?Quote:
Originally Posted by sammydog
Confirming an U15/B player cannot fill-in for AA/C?
no, yes
ok so I looked up the last one and I'm confused
https://macquariefootball.com.au/wp-...ION-D-2019.pdf
regulation D47 has the rules for borrowed players
it's really poorly formatted so I can't understand it, then on top of that the wording just doesn't make sense
my understanding is yes, a 15-B will be eligible to play 17A of any AA-A
anyone else want to read and try to interpret?
A 15/B will be eligible for:Quote:
Originally Posted by Negative Police
- 16/B/C/D/...
- 17/B/C/D/...
- 18/A/B/C/...
- AA/A/B/C/...
(e) Providing Regulation D 47 (a), (b), (c) and (d) are adhered to, there are no restrictions on the
number of games in which a Borrowed Player may participate
Rest in peace to the SOuth Cardiff Over 35 player that died of a heart attack while playing Saturday
Yep, very sad for him and all the players who were there on the night.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goatscheese
RIP mate.
To his family and loved ones, we express our sincere condolences.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aegon
Terrible news, condolences to all connected to this tragedy.
Just wondering, how often are teams (or certain clubs) not getting refs. For us, O35E Fri night, we have had them once at home. I get it, only game on and all the way out at Redhead. Is there any merit in a thread that indicates a pool of people that would have interest in a call up or we just place an "add" for a person to officiate? We find someone every week but it's like pulling teeth.
Quite possibly location and time (Friday night I imagine would suck).Quote:
Originally Posted by Charman
All Age Friday here. We have had referees every game so far (touch wood), but it is all very central - Even 8pm games seem fine.
is anyone else sick of this bullshit $100 fine for not having a duty officer?
a lot of our games we're lucky to have players, let alone spectators - so the idea of fining clubs for not having enough volunteers to sit outside on a cold and rainy Friday night is in my option, complete and utter bullshit
it's the refs who report not having a duty officer - fair enough they may wish to make a note of it if there is actually an issue at the game, but to fine club's when there isn't a problem is just bullshit
Only required when you have a licensed venue, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by boz-monaut
i didnt think so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roundball Enthusiast
Last year i got drafted in to do it for a shift and that ground def didnt have a license.
Unless the club i was at just made sure there was a duty officer around, but they were adamant that no games were going on without one.
You're right.Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
It's in the Macquarie policies. Every Club must have at least 1 Duty Officer (O35, AA etc - 2 for Zone)
https://macquariefootball.com.au/wp-...ION-D-2019.pdf
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A MINIMUM OF ONE (1) nominated and readily identifiable GROUND OFFICIAL (DUTY
OFFICER) MUST be available for the duration of each and every Fixture on each and every
Club ground on which a Fixture(s) has been set; and for an additional period of 30
minutes prior to the start of the Fixture and for an additional period of 30 minutes after
the Fixture has concluded. ‘Çlub Ground’ in this context refers to a full sized playing field.
If no Ground Official (Duty Officer) is present during a Match, the Referee must report this
fact using the appropriate part of the Team Match Sheet. A warning will be given to the
offending Club for a first offence; a second or subsequent offence of failure to provide a
Duty Officer for a Match as required by Regulations will result in a monetary fine on an
escalating scale. (refer to Rule D08, Rule D19 and Rule D25).
A centrally located Official Table, on which the required Team Sheet for the Fixture is
placed,
must be provided by the Home Club (Refer to Rule D45).
Failure to comply with this Regulation or part thereof may result in a Forfeit being
awarded to the opposing Team and a Fine as determined annually
I understand why this is a rule but for crying out loud, have they been to an old farts freezing weather FRI night game? I note it states “escalating scale” too.
Put the bib on the goal keeper and say he’s doing it.....bloody stupid rule...half the time the only people other than wives and kids watching o35s end up reffing or running a line...do you play without a ref so you can have a duty officer?
I am assuming the rule only applies when you have official refs and not club refs. Agree a stupid rule for AA/O35's. Hard to get people out on a cold windy/rainy Friday night.Quote:
Originally Posted by redwah
Rule only applies when a ref calls you on it. Lots of games without duty officers go unreported. But yes, we are supposed to have them for all games, licenced or not, including mini-Roos.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roundball Enthusiast
We’ve been fined twice this year already.
We got done last year in an U15’s game even though I was sitting on the hill all game with a vest on.
For day time games it usually isnt a problem as we make the teams doing canteen do it, but Friday nights is an issue when no one wants to watch as it’s too cold and the canteen isn’t open.
Looking at the referee roster that comes out everyweek plenty of grounds won't get them every weekQuote:
Originally Posted by Charman
What I don't get is that they assign three refs to one ground so that 4-6 games have the centre ref and two linesmen, but then all these other grounds have no refs.
Would be far better to assign a centre ref to as many games as possible and then assign linesmen.
No and this year the association has added a box to the team sheet for the refs to mark where there is no duty officer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roundball Enthusiast
Few factors. No longer involved, but historically the 3 referees that were assigned would either rotate if there were 2-3 games or include a senior referee and two junior referees that wouldn’t be capable of refereeing an all age or o35 game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goatscheese
Conversely, rostering 1 senior referee to officiate 3 games as the sole referee would be a big undertaking. Usually the better grade is last and they end up with a referee that’s already been moving around for 3 hours to officiate the game alone.
Interesting development with the duty officer section. Does the duty officer have to present to the referee or be sighted during play? As Sammy said, what if they are just watching from somewhere afar and there’s nothing untoward happening?
IMO, duty officer is important when things get out of hand. But if the games are played in good spirits and there’s no need for them, then it should be acceptable. However, the issue comes when a “this will be a chill game” turns bad and there’s no duty officer present to help control the situation.
In the new area I was playing prior to injury, the referee has to get two names prior to the game of duty officers. One from each team. If they don’t get names, the game doesn’t start. So that’s what a Sydney association is doing...
Just needs to be visible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bremsstrahlung
I understand that and do see it but I also see three men reffing a game at some grounds and no refs at others.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bremsstrahlung
Not something I had thought of but better to have one tired referee than none.Quote:
Conversely, rostering 1 senior referee to officiate 3 games as the sole referee would be a big undertaking. Usually the better grade is last and they end up with a referee that’s already been moving around for 3 hours to officiate the game alone.
Just sighted, however, I have been told by one club secretary (though she is prone to lying about these sort of things) that referees are not to start a game unless there are duty officers present. I have never seen a game where duty officers are not present and a ref refuse to start.Quote:
Interesting development with the duty officer section. Does the duty officer have to present to the referee or be sighted during play? As Sammy said, what if they are just watching from somewhere afar and there’s nothing untoward happening?
In the new area I was playing prior to injury, the referee has to get two names prior to the game of duty officers. One from each team. If they don’t get names, the game doesn’t start. So that’s what a Sydney association is doing...
TBF, most of the assistants are younger kids with a senior ref in the middle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goatscheese
After last nights effort I can see why we struggle to get refs at all. Some of the player behavior is appalling.
Thats the crux of the problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aegon
I also think that with O35's becoming more and more popular, there are less people jumping over to ref when they stop playing.
Good news is, I have had some very good young refs in charge of my U12 Girls this season, if all these kids stick with it we do have some good referees coming through. Just have to look after them and make sure they aren't turned off it.
Yes I know which I do see, however, as I said I do see some of the three are all men.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aegon
Lenny’s hit it on the head. The amount of turn over we get is ridiculous, and most of the time it’s due to the way they’ve been treated by players, team officials, spectators and clubs. I’m not saying all clubs are bad, nor players or team officials. Quite simply, it’s a cancer on our game. Everyone needs to realise that the refs aren’t out there to **** any one over, they’re out there to do their best. If a player misses a pass, or has a bad touch, does everyone abuse them? So why abuse referees? Especially the young kids, that’s just not on.Quote:
Originally Posted by sammydog
As for where there’s 3 adult referees appointed to one ground, it doesn’t meant they’re competent enough to do the centre. The two ARs might be beginners, or not quite up to the level to do a centre with adults. Might also be where they can make it after work. And on the odd occasion, you might get all three competent enough, but there might be other factors that you don’t know about.
In terms of the number of games referees cover, a somewhat fit referee will do between 6 and 7km per adult match, and about half that on the line, depending on teams. So as others have said, it’s a long ****ing day for them, especially when you have 5 min turn around. Players are wrecked after 1 game, feel sorry for the ref who’s still got another 2 to go and by the end of the day might’ve covered close to 20km, or more. Same thing in the senior comps, generally the refs are there all day, so by the time first grade has come around, they might’ve already done 10-12km, and then have to deal with first grade. This is simply a result of the number of available referees.
People just need to stop acting like entitled twats who expect perfection from humans. Or, if they still want to expect perfection, northern have a great deal for next season where for $100 you get the beginners course, and all you need to start reffing, including rego, but not boots. If you think it’s easy, go pick up a whistle and try it.
As refs we are all 1 game from giving it away for good. The players will usually decided whenQuote:
Originally Posted by sammydog
Referee numbers are down in all age and over 35's football due to more referees being pushed into zone league football. With some zone league teams now playing Friday nights.
I suppose it's great for the zone league competitions and the referees themselves who make more cash doing zone league games. I suppose that's the advantage of teams playing zone league football. A real incentive to make the step up.
In my opinion the Friday night all age competition has become too big in grades, I believe it should have been capped and this in term would have provided more referees in the friday night over 35's. Friday night was always the main night for over 35's and should have stayed that way. As in future years the womens all age may request to play some grades on Friday night, what will happen then?
I suppose at the end of the day associations are mainly concerned on playing numbers and couldn't really care who plays on what days.
In switzerland we have a system that the referees are registered basically at a base level with a football club... and the amount of teams a club is allowed to field from juniors to seniors is directly related to how many referees they have registered....
Anyone know if there'll be a weekend gap between the last round and semis this year?
I wouldn't think so as I would think the Grand Final weekend would be 31/8-1/9 as it was last year.Quote:
Originally Posted by evolution
No spare weekend between final round and semi finals. Only spare weekend left is 12th to 14th July.Quote:
Originally Posted by Giges
Grand Finals as above.
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Originally Posted by Giges
Cheers guysQuote:
Originally Posted by Reds Forever
I’m sorry, but that’s not true. They’re not being “pushed” into the zone league. It’s just a lot of the refs would have been doing a/a & o/35s are wanting to push themselves and see how they go into zone league. It’s also happening with juniors, a lot of the first years who would start in juniors are bypassing that and going straight to northern’s 11/12s SAP and junior newfm/npl as opposed to doing their apprenticeship in the various junior comps. There has also been a big movement of referees from the junior branches to northern over the past few years, and a range of ability levels. What you also find is that a lot of these referees would be covering up to 9 games over a weekend with the junior branches, whereas now, due to various reasons, they’re not doing anything near that. The junior branches never really recovered from this loss.Quote:
Originally Posted by anfield
You don't think the reason for the move is because they get paid more to officiate those games than they do with Juniors/AA/O35?Quote:
Originally Posted by Thomas477
Call it want you want, encouraged to do zone league and the higher rates of pay are the benefit of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thomas477
What you want, is the correct wording.Quote:
Originally Posted by anfield