Any teams get to train this week? I know the young fellas training was washed out all week, his been driving me batty kicking the ball around the house!
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Any teams get to train this week? I know the young fellas training was washed out all week, his been driving me batty kicking the ball around the house!
we are yet to have training called off due to rain, and the pitch has been quite dry (Monday was the worse even then was okay)
haven't missed too many sessions the last few weeks but have had a few moved from our ground out to Speers Point. good having an all weather facility close by where the kids can trainQuote:
Originally Posted by Game_over
Does your club charge you when you transfer to speers pointQuote:
Originally Posted by sideline88
Not to date, i believe the club has made allowance for a minimum number of sessions at speers point for the season, weve a had a good mix of half field and the small sided fields in the time out thereQuote:
Originally Posted by Dontknowmuch
It's great that some clubs have factored in sessions at Speers point to cater for wet weather, etc.
I'm not sure our club has any intention to ever undertake training there - even wet weather alternative locations are typically training at Howzat, the Uni or another indoor venue.
Last week was probably the first time in 3 years that the kids have not had a single scheduled session go ahead.
The JDL draw is out
Not sure what they are hoping to achieve still, most of the historically stronger clubs play each other just like the clubs new to JDL are up against each other as well.
Looking at a rough breakdown of the boys teams - there are 28 (30 in U9's) teams per age group so if they are looking for two different pools it'll be roughly 14 teams per pool.
I know there will be a team or 2 being the exception to the rule, but it could quite easily have been broken down into this for phase 2:
Jaffa's, Olympic, Magic, Edgeworth, Maitland & Azzurri x 2 teams with New Lambton (A) and maybe Adamstown as the first pool.
New Lambton (B), Valentine, Lakes, Wallsend, Weston, Sth Cardiff, West Wallsend, Kahibah, Cooks Hill, Toronto & Singleton squads making up the second pool.
The biggest unknown is Central Coast United and where they will fit into the mix.
Surely this could have been worked out in conjunction with the clubs TD's rather than doing these fast 5 games?
I think its a huge money grab for the association.
How can you possible grade teams on a totally different style of football
Are Belswans, Cessnock and Thornton the only "premier clubs" without any SAP teams?
Are clubs actually being charged an additional fee for this though?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cunning stunts
I am unsure if there is direct cost to the club or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by sideline88
But the amount of people through there and canteen etc would bring in good revenue i would imagine
Almost 140 teams there over the first weekend, so roughly 1300-1400 players + families, coaches, club staff etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cunning stunts
Week 2 even more with the addition of Northern Inland, North Coast & Mid North Coast teams.
In 12's Maitland and NL only have one team dont they? Are they expecting their kids to play 4 games in a day?Most other clubs somehow need to get equal game time for 24-26 players in a couple of 5 a side games?It all seems really poorly thought out.Lots of kids sitting around on the bench rather than playing/training.
All teams will have 2 games on the same day each weekendQuote:
Originally Posted by sapdad
9s,10s, x2 teams will have 4 game
11s,12s i believe each team has been split into 2 teams. (so if 11s have 2 teams already its split to 4)
thats what i found out off the draw anyway
So they are assuming clubs like edgeworth/olympic/magic will only have kids play 1 game per weekend in this format?while i personally dont think it helps anything im happy to support it in case something good comes from it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cunning stunts
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Originally Posted by Aegon
I don't agree with this idea. You put the clubs that are in NPL into a draw and the Clubs in HitFM (or whatever its called now) Into a draw. Kids don't get better just playing people of similar level forever, they have to learn to be strong on the ball against better opposition. they want kids to go into NPL to fill the shortfall they were having with the old SAP, so NPL clubs MUST be playing each other. Teams also change every year so sure Jaffas / magic etc might be strong one year, but when the parents get the craps with the way the JDL is being run at some clubs they will move somewhere else. If kids develop really well let them trial for an NPL JDL, we have some top kids with us in NPL from HitFM, because they were approached to come over to NPL and they fit well into the squad.
Thats how development is supposed to work, upwards as kids develop, and down if they decide they don't like the pressure of whatever level of football they are in.
I disagree only on the timing.Everything you said is correct but this program is supposed to spread the net as wide as possible in order to get U/13's to be the time when results/ladders/victories become the focus.New Lambton had teams in 11 and 10 last year that were as good as anyone.If they had only been playing against the 'weaker' teams from 9's then they never get to the level they are now.The obvious counterpoint is just to join Magic/Olympic/Jaffas from 9's but that just wasnt the case because those clubs either knocked them back or they were already choosing from their own community kids.If the 9-12 program gives the most kids the best chance of cracking NPL at 13 then the system is working.In its 4th year now we are seeing clubs who have struggled with numbers reducing to one team per age group,we are seeing new clubs getting the chance to join in and hopefully it raises the overall level.but saying kids are NPL worthy at 9 and putting them in a 'B' division before they've probably had any chance to get good coaching (or teammates) is going way to far in my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by KITZ
Agree or Disagree it is what NNSWF have decided to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by KITZ
I was only saying that this 3 week assessment or grading thing at LMRFF really didn't need to occur as most of the age groups would be a similar break down to what I mentioned above.
If you look at the draw for each age group in the boys the typically stronger teams are playing each other in most of the games as it is.
Magic, Jaffas and Olympic will always have the strongest teams not because they are run the best but because 99% of the players taken into the Jets program come from the NPL teams of one of those 3 clubs.Quote:
Originally Posted by KITZ
So is this Comp going to be 5 in total on pitch or goalkeeper and 5 players which will be 6 total. Most teams I know have 11 or 12 players so that’s going to be interesting.
Under 9's and 10's - 5 a side totalQuote:
Originally Posted by Yaa Yaa
Under 11's and 12's - 6 a side total
that's not even remotely true. lol. I think there was one kid from Jaffas at nationals camp in January in the 14s. Maybe you meant Edgeworth, where there was a few more than jaffas? Only 1 goalkeeper was from the clubs you mentioned across both age groups the others were from clubs not listed, and it would be rare for them to take a goalkeeper unless they are playing across many age groups from the top of the table. There were also kids not from local NPL, at least one from Tamworth that played at the back that was actually quite good. Nothing stopping kids from getting in NPL later that were in a HitFM SAP we have 2 from the GF winning West Wallsend team this year. I just don't agree that you drop SAP clubs that are run by an NPL club into a tier down, because they won't get better in time for NPL, they need to be playing against the kids they are going to play against in the NPL. The problem is for the olympics of the world where the kids stagnate because they have lumped all the good kids together and there's little competition for them anywhere in the draw.Quote:
Originally Posted by BS detecor
In the old SAP they rotated them every year so the kids got a fairly well rounded development.
A couple from edgy maybe but I guarantee you the vast majority of players drafted into the program are from these 3 clubs in my experience. Now I’m not up on the 13s so if I’m wrong There I’ll stand correctedQuote:
Originally Posted by KITZ
The jaffas won’t continue to be as strong in the sap fields as they have been, huge losses of quality kids to other clubs. Time will tell but the writings on the wallQuote:
Originally Posted by BS detecor
Hamilton and magic will always be strong but other clubs have made huge ground on them, Edgy with Jobe wheelhouse involved has attracted some good kids and will only keep on improving its SAP/JDL
Prepare for an influx of misquotes.
Arsenal222, reckon you could edit and chuck a ] after the last [/ QUOTE
Apologies, don’t know if my OCD can handle the consequences.
I assume you are only talking about this years 12's?Quote:
Originally Posted by Arsenal222
Only 1 player left this years 11's by choice and that was to join his siblings at Magic.
From what I have seen of the 10's they have also retained their better players from last year.
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Originally Posted by Aegon
Yes, The 12s.
Hi guys,Quote:
Originally Posted by Aegon
I'm led to believe NI and NC will only be participating in this part of the SAP fixtures. MNC are yet undecided as to whether they will join the main draw but not likely with all the travel involved for the teams.
Some talk of a whole of NNSW SAP gala at the end of the season. Could be a good addition to the calendar if Northern can get it together. :thumbsup:
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This would be great - probably the first thing NNSWF have actually done for Premier SAP/JDL since its inception.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
I'm with Kitz on this.Quote:
Originally Posted by KITZ
There is a balance between getting flogged every week and challenging yourself but i know our kids get real excited when they play the "big" teams. If every week was the same weaker teams playing each other no one wins.
Let's not forget the a lot of very good players will be at so-called smaller clubs for reasons of club loyalty, family links or even smaller fees. not everyone feels playing for the Olympics of this world will help development. Sometimes being a bigger fish in a smaller pond is preferable to being drowned in a shark tank if you know what I mean! LOL
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From what I understand - 50% of the single team from last season have left, so they would have added approx. 16 new kids this year - No idea where they have all come from.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arsenal222
On a positive note from what I have seen one of the teams is still very strong - very competitive games vs Edgeworth, Northern Tigers & MNC so far. The other has been getting a few goals put on them but I think they'll gel as the season goes on.
3 or 4 of the 12's are exceptional players. I reckon at least 2 of them will be picked up by the jets 13's.
Incorrect. Only 1 team is new the other is as strong as last year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arsenal222
Magic werent that strong last year in 10s. Might have to dispense with the assumptions.Quote:
Hamilton and magic will always be strong but other clubs have made huge ground on them, Edgy with Jobe wheelhouse involved has attracted some good kids and will only keep on improving its SAP/JDL
[QUOTE=Jim;245436] Incorrect. Only 1 team is new the other is as strong as last year.
Entirely personal opinion, I know the boys that have left and the quality they contained. Still some good kids there but unfortunately for the club we lost the cream over the past two - three years. They lost 6 players
Hi guys,
I was having a yarn with someone "in the know" at games this weekend and they believe that there will be a mix of U12 girls with U11 boys, and U11 girls with U10 boys and so on in the main JDL draw this season. Valo, Cookers, West Wallsend, Wallsend, Lake Mac and Southy were all mentioned as being the boys team to play older age girls.
If true does that mean the grading has already been done by Northern?
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If so, it again raises the question - What is the point of the next 3 weekends at the LMRFF?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
TBF - the someone in the know may have been referring to week 3 of the 5 a side games where these teams are already scheduled to play in the 9's, 10's and 11's girls draws. This may or may not be the case in the draw for the season proper.
10's girls week 3 as an example:
https://websites.sportstg.com/comp_i...82153-0&pool=1
[QUOTE=Arsenal222;245448]They have pick up 1 or 2 decent replacements.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim
The real damage was done when they cut last years U11s to one team. stupid. The Einstein who did that is no longer there.
Thats football I guess. Trying to keep everyone happy at any club is impossible.
Hi Aegon,Quote:
Originally Posted by Aegon
You could be right about that. I hadn’t even looked as far as week 3! LOL
The person I spoke to did clearly believe that those teams would play vs older girls. Maybe guessing but they are in a senior role at a JDL club so I have no reason to doubt them.
If the draw has been decided you are right to raise the question of ‘why’. I’m not sure and don’t think many are!
But I am willing to embrace it for what it is. Lots of games, lots of kids playing soccer and the season is upon us. Bring it on!
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[QUOTE=Jim;245507]Has Richard Hartley was still with the club, what Einstein are you talking about?Quote:
Originally Posted by Arsenal222
It wasn’t well handled and unfortunately the club don’t care, unless you’re in first grade.
The girls playing down against boys has always happened, the old SAP girls always played down a year, HV, MQ, Newcastle, Jets (I can't remember if Jets girls played in their own age group rather than down a year). My son played against them all. My daughter is turning 10 this year but will play 11 and 12 girls. The girls are generally bigger and can be quite strong on the ball, so I wouldn't expect that the boys are going to have an easy time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
The girls are out to prove they deserve to be there. Give the new program a year to build their girls up and I have no doubt the better girls will hold their own even against those teams that think they have the best boys, there is some quite talented girls out there.
the worst thing about the mixed teams is that quite often the boys just ignore them and won't pass to them, just how boys are when they are young (and some of them when they are older. lol).
Probably best you don't call out people by name as it is one of the forum rules.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arsenal222
Answering your question though: He is still at Jaffa's but wasn't appointed in his role at the time that decision was made - The decision was made by his predecessor.