Azzurri missing the 16?s last year will hurt their 18?s the next 2 years for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oldy
They used to have some great old boys as coaches and now they have all gone. What has happened there.
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Azzurri missing the 16?s last year will hurt their 18?s the next 2 years for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oldy
They used to have some great old boys as coaches and now they have all gone. What has happened there.
Azzuri missing a team meant they went down to Div 2, they have all teams this year and from all reports will be quite competitive including in the 18s. I have no doubt they will be in League B when the divisions split. Will it be enough for them to get back into Div1? That's an unknown at this stage but are at a disadvantage to the 4 coming from Div1 simply because those 4 have had to player tougher teams every week.
Buds not having enough teams will mean the other 4 will need to pick up the slack to get into Top 4 otherwise they will be in League C and at least two years in Div 2. Of course that may not be bad for the club as it means they can just focus on rebuilding and getting back to full strength without losing players because they only won 1 game in 3 years.
The coaches they had drove those kids away, you'd only have to attend one of their games to understand why they all left in those age groups. I hope they have been moved on.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Hacker
Ive already seen and heard of a few new coaches at Azzurri so I think you'll find the changes that were needed have been made.I would be shocked if they dont start 2025 back up in Div 1.Quote:
Originally Posted by FTBLNEW
This has to be a factor. The players who may have left Olympic/Magic in the past and funneled to Buds, now spread across Jaffas, NL and Cooks. There aren't enough kids. Even Jaffas/Edgy who finished 1/2 in 2023 13s have been after players for their squads this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aegon
JDL doesn't fix anything. It's not producing more better players, it's just creating an earlier dropout with kids jaded/broken after 40 week seasons and parents questioning the $$$ to take part.
As for the Buds, the other comment about not fielding a team with no real penalty vs having a very poor one that gives away 3pts every week is spot on.
Shorter JDL season and probably YPL, less teams to bring back exclusivity, lower cost and better trained coaches. Easy fix...
Smooth brain take.Quote:
Originally Posted by Largesse
Also got to look at the reasons why players leave clubs, while others are turning them away. And it isn't just successful clubs that get more EoIs than others
Which clubs would you cut?Quote:
Shorter JDL season and probably YPL, less teams to bring back exclusivity, lower cost and better trained coaches. Easy fix...
Classy response...Quote:
Originally Posted by Taffy
Which clubs? Not sure and not sure what the magic number is but given clubs keep failing to field teams or fill squads, it seems there are too many.
Would love to see some analysis on number of players in community, JDL, youth, plus looking at match minutes per player, meaningful surveys of players as to why they move clubs. Base things off data or we'll all just keep guessing and pointing fingers.
What a load of garbage this is. Buds killed buds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oldy
Clubs like Olympic and Magic produce more kids to the Jets then any other clubs so why are they still strong when they lose their best every year to jets? Don?t see them slacking off. Eventually they will sign kids to fill the gaps from lower teams but that?s the football cycle. Ordinary teams to strong teams/clubs.
Does this mean the Jets have killed Magic and Olympic?
I mean yeah you do have to question how good individual clubs are in the JDL programs if they have 2 teams (so about 24 players) and then they have to go poaching to get others in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oldy
No club is losing more than 9 U12 players to Jets each year so why do clubs like Olympic and Magic have to go and poach other players? Why isn't their JDL program with 2 teams good enough to produce 15-16 quality kids?
Props to Edgy this year for filling all but 1 spot in their U13s this year from last year's U12 side.
Good hopefully if everyone who has posted on here uses this advice we won't come out with silly statements like JDL isn't producing better players.Quote:
Originally Posted by Largesse
"More" is the key word. Better players sure, but it's finite.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taffy
Complete rubbish. all we need is another chest beating turd on here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dreamtime Yowie
Jaffs and edgy have had more in the last couple. Even Valo had a few albeit from Auzzrri before that
Magic get most lads from other clubs. Rarely do their u6s get to the jets. Olympic develop a little better over the long term.
Most kids go to 2 to 3 clubs before getting to jets.
Kids who spend a fews years at New lambton, kotara, edgy, jaffs, cookers are in the jets in many ages.
Haha what a load of crap. Trying to work out who’s talking more crap you or taffy with his comments about edgy 13s only bringing 1 new player in. I can think of 3, could be more and there’s nothing wrong with that and good luck to them but don’t talk rubbish.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oldy
No chest beating here just stating facts old fella
What numbers of players do most clubs try and carry in PYL. I would have thought that 15 or 16 is enough as you can always promote from the age below. Yet some age groups are posting their squad list with 13 or 14 and in trials only having 1 or 2 players on the bench. Whilst most kids will be happy getting lots of game time, perhaps these teams will run out of steam come middle to end of the season when injuries and illness mount up.
I know in the Sydney Football NSW PYL comps, some clubs carry 17-18 players per team and their games are only 70mins long until they get to U16s then it moves to 80mins. My take on those numbers of players in Sydney comp is that it is simply a cash grab.
Thoughts and experiences from others?
Well done to NNSW for getting the message through regarding the emphasis on referee abuse.All parents and coaches I spoke to over the weekend knew about it,had seen the presentation and were taking it seriously.If the goal was to get the message across then they succeeded.From here its all about backing up their referees and coming down hard on anyone that gets out of line.Hopefully now the kids can get on with enjoying their football.
wonder what colour the coach will be wearing who is first to get 12 month holiday? R#d perhaps?
@Box2Box...as a consumer, I prefer less subs and bench sitting
My dream state would be, clubs set to 11 in youth football, and their bench of subs to come from the year below
Agree on Sydney looking like a cash grab (if they really do have 17-18 players)...they do play a longer season though, so maybe that is the justification
So for the 3rd week running Adamstown have not fielded a U15s team in the pre-season, can anyone confirm if they will only field 4 teams in PYL this season and have no 15s.
Hearing u13s player got 6 weeks for ref abuse and club (I think Belswans?) got 1k fine ? The tough crackdown has began by the looks.
When I posted this on the 5th of December last year it was in relation to the Adamstown 15s not fielding a team for this season.Quote:
Originally Posted by sapdad
No idea on the severity of the abuse but hopefully no one acts shocked.NNSW could not have been clearer with what the consequences were going to be this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by straightred88
Individual player suspensions are published on Northern's website. Three x 8 week suspensions for official abuse issued so far... None from BelSwansQuote:
Originally Posted by straightred88
Where abouts is it located on NNSWF website, I can only see last seasons and the carry over suspensions on the Premier Club Resource page?
Ok thanksQuote:
Originally Posted by Largesse
While the punishment might fit the crime - publishing a 12 year olds details on a public website has serious ramifications in regards to the well-being of children and I'm not even sure it would be legal. Publishing a minors details and what they supposedly did according to another person under the age of 18 isn't something anyone should be on board with - the courts don't do it, so I doubt northern would have an organisation left if they did it. If this event happened I doubt it will be published publicly. The club will know and act on it accordingly I would assume.Quote:
Originally Posted by Largesse
If northern make this database they are talking about, it would only take one person losing their day job and northern won't have funds left to run the sport. It's a massive risk to publish the personal details (in explicit detail) on a public website. I'm sure they got real good legal advice on this one (not really).
AgreeQuote:
Originally Posted by KITZ
I just found the page - I have reported it to the office of privacy commissioner and will be following up with FACS and some other organisations, if there is any kids currently in care or under the protection of an AVO that end up on that list its a massive safety issue. I can now locate where a kid plays sport, their full name and their age. ffs. do they think about things that these kids don't have any control over in their lives?Quote:
Originally Posted by KITZ
Hahahahaha, narc.Quote:
Originally Posted by KITZ
Legit though, we don't need to kids being shamed. Am all for shaming the clubs and coaches though. Getting them all buying in and behaving properly is the only way the kids will shut their mouths.
Also, please note there's plenty of minors reffing too so there can be more than one victim in all this.
Not saying it?s necessary to publish the kids name, (personally I think club, team, offence and sanction is enough) but I don?t think the legalities of it is any different to having their names on say a public golden boot list, rep squad, etc.
Im yet to someone report any of those lists to FACS
According to the wife who is a primary school teacher, kids that are subject to a protection order or similar will have a specific ?No publication? arrangement with the school. I imagine they?d have to have one with Northern too so they didn?t get put on any of the other lists I mentioned above either.
The kid had been mouthing off at the ref constantly I believe and then started swearing at him also. The linesman also heard it all as well. I know our club and coach were clear on the clamp down and although a big suspension it?s not like we all weren?t warned 🤷*♂️
If this is true the ref never reported itQuote:
Originally Posted by straightred88
Alright Karen, why won't you complaining when they would publish the name club and number of goals a 12 year scored for all these years? Same thing and same details are shown, except for goals it is cards.Quote:
Originally Posted by KITZ
No they do need to be, the amount of kids that abuse refs and expect to get away with it is a travesty and is one of the reasons why we lose so many refs.Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
When an U15s boys team reduced a female ref to tears because she made a call (a right one btw) and so they told her for the rest of the game that girls don't belong on a soccer field and instead should be in the kitchen need to be shamed.
Somehow I don't think people like Kitz cares. Wonder why she wasn't getting upset when anyone could look at team lists in the past and see their name and what club they were playing for.Quote:
Also, please note there's plenty of minors reffing too so there can be more than one victim in all this.
Top work sarg. did you also dob in the young crims in Townsville? Alice springs? Melbourne city or just the life saving stuff in Newy?Quote:
Originally Posted by KITZ
We'll have the medal ready by Mundee.
Ok, just to be clear, I want the kids punished, big suspensions. Whack the clubs as well. But I don't need their names passed onto Andrew Bolt and co.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goatscheese
As for your 2nd point. The young girl in question didn't need to put up with the abuse, but the fact you said they did it for the whole game means she hadn't obviously punished them. Hopefully she now understands the expectations on her to sit their asses down and that NNSW will back her.
Agree in the past she may have felt like she needed to cop it and move on but not now. The ref's know exactly what they need to do, and the quicker they do it the quicker the problem gets solved.
Well that's not happening so you can jump off your morality train.Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
BY the way, a suspension register available for everyone is not a new measure from Northern been available for years and clubs including the opposing club, players and refs need to know who is suspended.
Including with all the other measures, but hey if you don't want people to know you abused a ref, don't abuse a refQuote:
The ref's know exactly what they need to do, and the quicker they do it the quicker the problem gets solved.
My guy, imma let you in on a little secret. I really don't care about your shame list, if that's what works for you then good good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goatscheese
I'm only here to make fun of old mate who was narcing out on everyone by writing to NCIS or whatever the organisation is called.
That, to me, is funny.
You guys can do whatever you want with the rest of it.
As much as there is some high quality meme and wind-up content available in all of this, it does seem reasonable to think there is a chance this can happen. If the below quote has any form of substance (and whatever other examples we haven't seen/heard yet) - in what world does Tracy Grimshaw or one of her fellow shoulder-pad-wearing goons not jump all over something like this.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoatscheeseWell that's not happening so you can jump off your morality train.Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
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Originally Posted by KITZ
Team lists don't post full first and last name. half the time the page doesn't even work. That also allows you to have photos removed etc. Anyone who thinks publication of this nature is hilarious is probably on the deep web. No the ref's shouldn't be abused, yes the suspensions are appropriate, But there is at least one suspension that has been disputed already, but that kid never got a chance to stand up in front of northern either, instead has his name plastered all over the website.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goatscheese
Kids who are in court for ANY reason are never named, yet people think this is okay? The incorrect comparisons and assumptions they aren't being punished is baffling, make them attend a course on a Saturday instead of football, make them do a ref course and run the sidelines for free for a few weeks. people are here anonymously, making quips, but if we got on here and used your real names you'd all poop your pants.
If you think it's funny you've never seen the harm that comes to kids when someone who's not supposed to know where they are turns up one day. But it's easy to take the piss when you live a sheltered life.
I agree with all you are saying. They shouldn?t publish the kids name.Quote:
Originally Posted by KITZ
I am curious you said one kid is disputing a suspension. Is it for ref abuse if so it gets murky if kids are saying they didn?t spray the ref. Almost as if they are calling the ref a liar