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Someone?s kid didn?t get selectedQuote:
Originally Posted by djjones
News after last nights final game in the women?s side of the Jets academy is Ryan Campbell is only going to be the A-League head coach and will have no official role in the academy, obviously he will still be around watching and looking at players to bring into the A-League squad, but they are now looking for a new TD and first grade coach. Will be interesting to see who they bring in for both roles and how much of a change the it will have on the system as a whole.
Really should leave members kids out of discussions between adultsQuote:
Originally Posted by ForeverRed
Real response would be to show why his statement was wrong, not to attack a perceived motivation
Let's be better all round :)
Correction to this post is that Ryan is remaining in his Role as TD and working with the coaches and players just no longer coaching the senior squad as he did this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by onlooker
I think this is a good thing. Some coaching over the past has been a little thin. Adam goes alright for mine.Quote:
Originally Posted by onlooker
1+2=5 for this dinosaur. He obviously has been in the system to know the score.Quote:
Originally Posted by ForeverStupid
Syd Div 1
A much greater pain in the you know where
(80 rows of teams to update, and then look over the club championship?most teams have done an extra 10 rounds since my last update)
Club Championship: (remembering this excludes 13s)
1. WSW ~ 190Pts (GD+62)
2. Apia ~ 185Pts (GD+49)
3. Sydney FC ~ 182Pts (GD+78)
4. SD Raiders ~ 178Pts (GD+44)
5. Newcastle Jets ~ 173Pts (GD+27)
6. Manly United ~ 172Pts (GD+28)
7. Marconi ~ 170Pts (GD+35)
8. Syd Olympic ~ 163Pts (GD+13)
9. CCM ~ 162Pts (GD-22)
10. Syd United ~ 158Pts (GD+18)
11. Wollongong ~ 152Pts (GD+2)
12. Hills United ~ 146Pts (GD-37)
13. Blacktown City ~ 143Pts (GD-31)
14. St George ~ 129Pts (GD-53)
15. NWS Spirit ~ 117Pts (GD-108)
16. Sutherland ~ 103Pts (GD-120)
N.B. Mariners and Syd United seem to have a round in hand on everyone else (at least 5 matches a piece not added into Dribl)
Jets places
13s ~ 6th
14s ~ 7th
15s ~ 7th
16s ~ 6th
18s ~ 4th
Other academies (13s~18s)
WSW ~ 4th, 11th, 1st, 4th, 6th
Syd FC ~ 1st, 1st, 3rd, 13th, 13th
CCM ~ 13th, 12th, 15th, 2nd, 2nd
Total Goals/Goals against by academy: (excluding 13s)
Jets ~ 236 Goals/209 Goals against
WSW ~ 228 Goals/166 Goals against
Syd FC ~ 286 Goals/208 Goals against
CCM ~ 236 Goals/258 Goals against
Best overall in League (all clubs excluding 13s)
Syd FC for total goals scored
WSW for least goals against
Interesting that Mariners seem to only pick up once Sydney FC drops away, wonder if there is any correlation there
There are some big differences in the age groups for the competition in general?there is clearly lots of variation in the depth of talent
Just looking at the 13s for example
Sydney FC has 132 GF Vs 14 GA for a GD +118
Apia has 141 GF Vs 26 GA for a GD +115
The bottom performers
NWS Spirit 25 GF Vs 108 GA for a GD of -83
CCM 46 GF Vs 90 GA for a GD -67
Last minute side note
With 13s GF go up beyond 400 for 2 teams, GA go up to 414 to mid 300s for 3 teams
Biggest GD still remains for Sydney FC at +196, followed by Apia (who have scored the most goals (422) at +164. Lowest team drops to -191, followed by a -173
A 387 goal variation?wow
With 13s our GD moves to +33 (292 Goals Vs 259 Against)
LolQuote:
Originally Posted by Addios
Why does every clueless idiot bring out this stupid comment. The problem is getting selected. Missing out is actually easier.Quote:
Originally Posted by ForeverRed
This was a few years ago now. I only know a couple of boys & girls in the system now.
decent stats WOW. Interesting the way some clubs go about their play. CCM's demise seems to be the inverse of Jets entering back into Sydney.Quote:
Originally Posted by WOW2.0
Great to see the Jets U18 boys clinch a semi finals spot with another win on the road in Wollongong who have been very strong at home. Could end up 3rd if results go their way next weekend at St. George.
Also the U16's keeping themselves in the frame but relying on another result next week.
Club Championship (excludes 13s)
1. WSW (209Pts)
2. Sydney FC (197Pts)
3. SD Raiders (195Pts)
4. Apia (193Pts)
5. Marconi (187Pts)
6. Jets (183Pts)
7. Manly (182Pts)
8. CCM (178Pts)
9. Syd Utd (177Pts)
10. Syd Olympic (169Pts)
11. Wollongong (165Pts)
12. Blacktown City (159Pts)
13. St George (151Pts)
14. Hills Utd (150Pts)
15. NWS Spirit (130Pts)
16. Sutherland (108Pts)
Not sure how many clubs get relegated in NSWF in Youth (as I check the details for last season ~ looks like 2)
Positions of clubs above the Jets + mariners 13s-18s
1. WSW ~ 5th, 8th, 1st, 4th, 8th
2. Syd FC ~ 1st, 1st, 3rd, 14th, 13th
3. SD Raiders ~ 3rd, 2nd, 4th, 15th, 10th
4. Apia ~ 2nd, 3rd, 2nd, 10th, 15th
5. Marconi ~ 11th, 4th, 11th, 8th, 7th
6. Jets ~ 6th, 9th, 8th, 5th, 4th,
?
8. Mariners 12th, 10th, 15th, 2nd, 2nd
It's interesting how some of the big clubs die away in the older ages of 16s and 18s?I wonder what percentage of those ages are playing up in the clubs reserve or NPL 1st grade and side stepping 16s and 18s to play with, and against adults
Last season Jets? finished 2nd in Club Championship (namely due to the successes of the 16s who had a great year, and finished 1st) ~ total 198 Points (which would have had them 2nd again)
The (7) clubs above finished
WSW 1st, Jets 2nd, CCM 3rd, Syd FC 5th, SD Raiders 6th, Marconi 7th, Apia 14th
Best improver is clearly Apia shifting up 10 places in a season.
While the Jets finished higher last season, I feel 2024 has been a success, with a higher average position ?6.4th?; median of 8th (last season average of ?8th?; median of 9th)
The relegated clubs 2024 positions:
NWS ~ 15th, 16th, 12th, 7th, 14th
Sutherland ~ 14th, 5th, 16th, 12th, 16th
Looks like they will be replaced by:
Northern Tigers (who won Div 2 with 253Pts +116GD)
Bulls FC Academy (250Pts +189GD)?
3rd place was 207Pts with +68GD?so clear runaway winners in Div2, and interesting, all A-League clubs will have their academies in Div 1 in 2025, That's cool!
That's a good thing, and good to see Jets after a long time now comfortable up there.Quote:
Originally Posted by WOW2.0
Would make sense to think some of the non-academy teams have the best players bypassing 18s and going into 20s, while this probably isn't needed for the academy teams, though no doubt have some quality younger players playing up already as well.
2up 2down where applicable. Tigers back after a 2 yr hiatus. Mt Druid went from NPL1 to NPL3Quote:
Originally Posted by WOW2.0
Saw a list of the team changes in the current 14s team, 8 new inclusions (didn't see the other age groups)
In one hand it's nice to see it's not a closed shop...on the other, it made me curious how the club helps the kids to transition out of the academy
I would like to think it wasn't just a pump and dump set up, especially that by the time of their selection/de-selection, most teams would be full
I'm more curious as to why at least one ex-Jets coach was told which players were being dropped before the players were? Got told this morning that was contacting the parents of these players about signing up for his team because they were no longer at the Jets and these parents had no idea their sons weren't being retained.
Also heard that and can verify. But also there was more than one coach from another club also doing this. Recruitment is very partial depending on which crowd is in charge at start of each year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taffy
One hand, It doesn't really matter anyway as those getting cut or leaving were gone regardless of when email sent.
On the other I suppose it does give some clubs an advantage to poach the better players.
Gve is back
Has to be, like him or not who else is qualified around hereQuote:
Originally Posted by The Magician
I wasn't concerned about the advantage but rather telling people outside of the club about cutting a player before informing the player, lacks professionalism (yes I know it's Jets academy and they never show much professionalism). May not have been the Jets but rather a coach just doing what they want of course.Quote:
Originally Posted by JustMe
Just playing devils advocate. But maybe it's the Jets not wanting the players to just end up at a random club. But actually wanting them to go to a strong club, so that they can continue too develop and maybe move back into the jets system in years to come. Or is that to much forward thinking for the JetsQuote:
Originally Posted by JustMe
You give the Jets far too much credit.
A professional approach would be to ask the div.1 clubs what positions they are still looking to fill and then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bulldogs 1962
Sit down with the kids and parents (not a plonker email) and.explain the rationale why they have been dropped.
...Explain what they would like to see from them in the future so as to improve their chances of being considered again.
Then, provide them the club list on the position vacancies and to organise those kids to integrate with the NNSW TSP program.
Jets continue to fail in treading the line of 'cutthroat business' and community/fan engagement and growth...I personally haven't met any one who loves the Jets whose been part of their program
Absolutely something along these lines is what should happen. And like I said, I was just playing devils advocate. You also have to think that if it's happened how everyone is alluding it did. Then the Jets only have themselves to blame if those kids do develop more and are at a level to rejoin, as some may not now with being treated poorly.Quote:
Originally Posted by WOW2.0
Here here WOW. Makes too much sense to be applied over there at present unfortunately.Quote:
Originally Posted by WOW2.0
Whilst it appears Jets had good intentions by advising the non retained player's previous clubs in an attempt to help secure them a place for 2025 they probably didn't factor in the possibility (likelihood) of at least one notoriously agenda driven NPLY coach ignoring any confidentiality or sensitivity around this pre notification by going off reservation and contacting parents/players before they had even been notified of their release.
If the Jets were really serious about the welfare and future development of those players not retained then a process such as what is proposed here by WOW would have been a far more professional and suitable approach for an A League academy to adopt
I never thought of Jets Youth Professional or much on development. Its a country town soccer program at the higher level.Quote:
Originally Posted by Meggsy
A kid has a chance to succeed but they to do that within the regime on their own accord. Welfare lol. I thought everyone knew this around here.
Most who are involved are looking at a payday.
GVE has a 3 day footy camp coming up with special guest speaker EmilyVE for $400. Add in the private "academies" its about the cash brothers.
Pros & cons, Good luck to all.
Several well deserved award winners at the NSW NPL awards dinner last night. Congratulations to all those involved.
I wouldn't say they are professional either (probably none qualify as that in Australia)Quote:
Originally Posted by JustMe
It is a professional team's academy system though
Yes, football in Australia is a Ponzi scheme...and it's driven by 'FOMO' (new term I learnt) 'Fear Of Missing Out'
On the concept of a professional academy:
I recently found a video of FC Krasnodar's academy set up (opened in mid-2008, club founded in Feb the same year)...that is beautiful and genuinely professional (and not measuring ourselves against the 5 big leagues)
It includes in it's operations:
A fully equiped sports high school with onsite accommodation for all students through 10 purpose built cottages each housing 34 student. Sports specific nutrition is met through the campus cafeteria.
The academy includes a hotel run by the club for visiting parents (home and away), academy weight room, regular gym, medical and rehabilitation centre, a pool and trampoline room, growth and nutrition monitoring goes without saying.
They own in the campus, 2 artificially turfed 'compressed air supported pitches' for winter training. In addition to 3 regular artificial & 12 grassed pitches. There is also a roofed boutique stadium for 3000 supporters used specifically for u-21 home matches...everything is new
Nothing is pay for play...all that in a sub-1M population centre
...Watching their academy product on YouTube (they show all their matches from U13s up free). Suffice to say it's a much higher standard then the Australian "long ball" game which is so popular...
That is a "professional" standard academy...IMO
But never the less, the Jets are a professional club's academy, and should be offering somewhat of a professional approach to how they discard kids, or attempt to develop them.
They also as a business that relies on fan engagement and affection need to think about the sour taste they leave in mouths from those interactions and how the community then interprets the same when they hear from friends and families about sub-optimal experiences
Which is the way it should be, though these academies are funded through the selling of players. Develop 10 players sell them each for $250,000 and you have $2.5M to spend on your academy the following year.Quote:
Originally Posted by WOW2.0
Which is part of the issue, A-League clubs can't sell players to each other, which would help.
Along with the inability to sign youth (and I mean those playing in the Sydney Men's comp) to professional contracts, allowing to keep them and sell them off later.
Couldn't agree more, a lot of bad tastes left in the mouths and while they will always be able to get players it does mean some don't bother or better players look to go to Mariners instead.Quote:
But never the less, the Jets are a professional club's academy, and should be offering somewhat of a professional approach to how they discard kids, or attempt to develop them.
They also as a business that relies on fan engagement and affection need to think about the sour taste they leave in mouths from those interactions and how the community then interprets the same when they hear from friends and families about sub-optimal experiences
Exactly!Quote:
Originally Posted by Taffy
Interesting thing, just because I mentioned them before, FC Krasnodar just sold a player to PSG for 20M euros and a 5 year deal, a product of their academy since he was 16 (joined 2015)...
Matvey Safanov, and he's just made his club debut for PSG in a Champions League match against Girona
Can you imagine that, from a country now completely excluded from world football too. No internetional stage for him to have been showcased at like with Daniel Arzani.
Now sell 10 players like that and imagine how professional an academy could, and should be run!!!
How long has the jets academy been running now?
I can think of jets youth teams being around for at least 10 years? So what percentage of participants have progressed from a jets academy, whether they completed a single year or multiple, to a professional contract of any kind?
How does this compare to other clubs around Australia?
"Professionalism" yeah great but if we've had 10 years now we need to ask more about efficacy.
Jets youth football was founded in 2008 (same as the club I've been citing (Jets as a club are 8 years older as well)Quote:
Originally Posted by Imyourhero
A key feature of "Professionalism" is efficiency though.
Not sure what percentage get to play professional football at any level...would be an interesting stat...I believe this year two 18 year olds were given "scholarship contracts"...whatever that really means
Not many A league clubs the junior set up like we do so I suppose we have to be thankful for what we have
That?s the way. It?s this sort of attitude that keeps the Socceroos chock full of NNSWF representatives 🙄Quote:
Originally Posted by ForeverRed
Maybe some questions that could be asked on an AMA Im looking to get organised with Ken Schembri