maybe instead of hitting the worker they should look at every other grub in the chain trying to make a buck off small business
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maybe instead of hitting the worker they should look at every other grub in the chain trying to make a buck off small business
'Line your pockets with silver'?Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
'Sacrifice of giving up their public holiday'?
You forgot 'Ivory towers' and 'the big end of town' in your 'Newcastle Herald letters section bingo'.
So what sort of 'sacrifice' is given for working the 27th April which is being lobbied to include as a public holiday?
Where is the 'sacrifice' in working before 5pm on a Thursday and after 5pm on a Thursday?
Exactly why is a Sunday considered more of an inconvenience to work than a Saturday? Aren't they both weekend days?
Penalty rates as they are today are the product of a very different economy and workplace to when they were first introduced.
They need to be altered to reflect our modern society.
I'm not saying abolish them. There are very real instances where workers deserve more money.
Having 14 staff under you vs having 15 staff under you isn't one of them.
If paying some poor bastard penalty rates is going to break the business then you really should get another job.
Conversly if a person need penalty rates to survive then perhaps they need to get a better paying job or go for a 3 bedroom home in Wallsend instead of house in Cooks Hill.Quote:
Originally Posted by My2BobsWorth
It's all relevant.
Both need to remain.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skirt Boy
In my work, penalty rates enable me to pay my rent, bills and buy food. I don't live in Cooks Hill either, however I rent a 2 bedroom home and will soon have my 2 children (The second due in July) sharing a room, because a 3 Bedroom room at Wallsend will cost me more than I can afford.
All that getting rid of the minimum wage will do is enable employers to pay people like me, who are already at the lower end of the scale of wages, even less.
All that getting rid of penalty rates will do is make it harder for people like me to make ends meet.
Bang OnQuote:
Originally Posted by Blackmac79
All it is the rich exploiting the poor.
Lets have a look at the effects of the removal of double time and all that from retail. We never had the shops open on the weekend. They closed at 5-6pm at night. Then we got half day Saturday then Thursday night shopping then Sunday trade then public holiday trade then midnight trade. Where the **** does it end. They will trade 365 days a year if they were allowed to
All that changed is the big companies didn't have to pay time and half and double time and double time and a half to have people working Saturdays Sundays and all night.
Last I looked the thieving pricks who have benefited are the shareholders of shopping centre and large supermarket chains cause it defo ain't the rank and file worker and it ain't the community with the effects caused by people being at work having tremendous effects on the family unit
Ps. Skirt boy. **** you for saying "get a better paying job"
Some of us work with little options hey.
Stick to taking photos.
you all wish you could live in Cooks Hill - greatest suburb in Newy
I tend to agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by boz-monaut
Cooks Hill ? I prob need a visa to visit?Quote:
Originally Posted by boz-monaut
Don't get me wrong mate. I know people do it tough. I grew up in Windale.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blackmac79
The points I'm making is that youth unemployment is chronic problem which is partly caused due to high minimum wage we have in this country.
As a result companies no longer take punts on young people and insist on job seekers having more tickets then what there wallet can handle and already be training up. IE companies are no longer performing training themselves and if you don't have experience forget about it.
Secondly some jobs are not supposed to be 'careers'. It's in my view quite absurd that there are jobs today thanks to the minimum wage that people can live quite comfortably on. A minimum wage should be an amount that only covers the bare basics for a single person. IE a bedsitter/studio apartment, cheap rust bucket/public transportation, utilities and food. Maybe enough spare change for night out. It should not be enough for a person to consider buying a home or living a comfortable life.
In my view having such a high minimum wage people can become complacent. There becomes no insentive to better their situation.
Combine this with penalty rates and it would also stimmy growth in the casual employment sector. I'm old enough to remember a time that going to a labour hire company and getting a few shifts here and there was a viable alternative to being on the dole. Irrespective of how qualified a person was. Or even getting a mate a few days or a weeks work.
It is something we really need to seriously have a look at. In principle the minimum wage and penalty are bloody ideas. However how they have been implemented has been a mistake.
Utter tripe.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
Ignorant ramblings from someone who should know better.
These evil companies you're talking about wouldn't make a cent if it wasn't for people buying their shit. Stop going there and they go broke. Simple.
Oh by the way some of the biggest investors in shopping centres in our country are your so called rank and file 'werkers' super funds.
It's astounding how easy some of you think running your own business is yet won't get off your asses and do it yourselves.
Exactly. Thinking you can only open your business on days where you make a profit is delusional.Quote:
Originally Posted by My2BobsWorth
Things need to be measured in months and years, not the 5 or so days where public holiday rates exist.
But
The real problem is the complexity of awards and the penalty rates surrounding them.
The idea of penalty rates isn't the problem, it's the admin that is a nightmare. It can, and should, be made a lot easier than it currently is.
Not against people getting penalties if they have a normal 5 day week and get called in on a weekend or public holiday to do extra.
Against people who work four or five days each week getting extra if any of those days are a weekend, but have their "weekend" during the week.
Also, there are alot of people out there who only want weekend/night work because of those rates, not caring about whether it is a weekend or not.
I used to have staff that whinged if you didn't give them overtime, even if the work wasn't there !
These super funds are also topped up by extra super from the penalties rates paid to employees. Forza penalty ratesQuote:
Originally Posted by plague
Also Plague if the 11 days or whatever it is of public holidays are such a burden for employers then they need to look at their competence at running their business.
11 days with extra costs should not be leaving you penniless if you are running your business well.
Maybe the issue really does lie with the employers and their inabilities :rof:
Yeah you should read my posts first cuz.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
Might learn that we agree on this point.
Also you said that thieving pricks are the ones profiting from shopping centres and your super find is one of those thieving prices so 2+2=A couple of points over bank interest it would seem.
Also: no shopping centres, no A-League. Be careful what you wish for.
We must burn the Westfield immediately inshallah
Westfield????Quote:
Originally Posted by q-money
Dineaway????
When will the caliphate end Q-man????????????
I get that, but then why would I, or any other nurse work weekends?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jetmaster
It is a disadvantage working saturdays/sundays over other days. I don't get to go out with mates on a friday/saturday/sunday night. Organising things with extended family is difficult. It comes down to this "if you don't want to work weekends, don't". With that attitude I hope you don't get sick on a saturday or sunday....
it will never end my friend until the heretic stubbins is wiped from the earth or at least sent to coach the youth teamQuote:
Originally Posted by plague