Hasn't given up a lead for 3 weeks now.
Bloke is progressing.
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Hasn't given up a lead for 3 weeks now.
Bloke is progressing.
Season half over.
1 win. Wouldn't cut it in any other league in the world.
It's time for Phil to go.
I'm fully on board now gtfo stubbsy
I'm even more confident now that Stubbins has to go.
Realistically, you bring in a coach to do one of two things:
1) win in the short-term (one season) and bring some glory back to the club
2) bring an overall idealogy/goal/system, but still be competitive in the short-term (like what Ange originally did at Roar and MV)
So we look at how Stubbins has done since he has come in:
Win short-term - absolutely fxxxing not
Have a noticable plan/ideology//goal/system that is evident, and you can feel will reap rewards - absolutely fxxxing not
His player recruitment was mostly older players, or Montano is a one-season loan. Granted, the side probably did need an influx of older heads, but signing older players indicates that you're planning for the short-term moreso than the long-term.
The fact that we won against Adelaide was the absolute killer. We didn't deserve that victory, we were so lucky we didn't concede countless more goals. And what the issue with that win was, it gave what felt like a bandaid fix to the situation. So Stubbins thinks that this 3 at the back, with wide midfielders not used to defensive work, is a grand idea because he knocked off the pissants on a day where they were severely unlucky not to score more. And he thinks that should work from now on. Rather than actually utilise a system which is sustainable.
The fact that he changed the formation, what, 4 times last night spoke very loudly to me. I once had a coach who told me a good way to judge a coach is to see how many formation changes he makes. And I'm judging Phil as a poor coach.
So we have a coach who has got us 1 win out of 13 season games. We have played zero games, home or away, where the team was convincing, and deserved to win. We have played zero games, home or away, where the team has looked the better team of the two. We have played zero games at home where the crowd has been excited.
Time for Stubbins to be removed. I don't have the answers as to whether his contract states he gets a pay-out for being sacked, I don't know if he has KPI's set in his contract (but after the GVE debacle, I fail to see how Jerks management wouldn't put that in any new coaches contract!) - but he needs to go.
get deans in
proven derby winner
Time for Zads Lads to become Clackas Knackas and start a petition. Anything better than Stubbsy
Are the Zads Lads now the Carneys Crew, or is that a whole different bunch?
It's just that I saw a poorly-done sign, barely anyone standing near it, and just figured it was them. Quacks like a duck, innit.
Considering everyone they've supported has ****ed off, maybe they can start going through our whole team
On Twitter this morning
@robertdillon174: There is a rumour circulating that @NewcastleJetsFC have sacked Phil Stubbins. I called CEO Robbie Middleby and he says it's NOT TRUE.
On twitter this morningQuote:
Originally Posted by LiverJet
@lquiquer: @robertdillon174 @Gatty54 rumour circulating that Middleby has been sacked, I called @NewcastleJetsFC and Stubbins said he wasn't
I wonder if Dillon was able to get to the bottom of why it ISN'T true..Quote:
Originally Posted by LiverJet
Stubbins' mantra at the start of the season was creating a hardworking team environment. He has failed miserably with this. It has taken until rd whatever this is to get a team that isn't dying of exhaustion after 60 min, something that should be covered in preseason.
Game day hard work seems barely existent too, especially from our fearless leader as he slouches on his bunnings chair like a uni student at a boring lecture. Our midfield is near non-existent. Everyone faps over caravella working hard but are very misguided. His legs move very fast going nowhere and when he does go on one of his little dashes forward to pressure the opposition Centrebacks i can hear kanta's groans as he is left with 3 to mark in the middle.
Anyway I've kinda gone off topic. STUBBINS OUT
Who is suggesting he needs to be replaced?Quote:
Originally Posted by Grimario
Having no one is costing nothing & is better than stubbs.
The solution is obvious.
We can't sack him, so make him the kit man.
ANDO IN!
Garden duties for stubbins
Cheap shot but **** em.Quote:
Originally Posted by Everyone
But it's such a nice new pitch FR. Do you want that turned to shit as well?Quote:
Originally Posted by ForeverRed
No plague you missed your chance thereQuote:
Originally Posted by plague
Timing is crucial and all that shit
He appears pretty good at putting shit on the pitch most weeks :whistling:Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
Oh I did enjoy this post v.much.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
Well in sir.
He had this smug look on his face all game of, "I know they can't sack me cause they have no money"
Give Pascoe a go, at least he's winning more than one game with our youth team
Can't wait to see Palestine play better than us against Japan.
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Originally Posted by Buddha
Our youth team is sitting in the same position as us and was handed their asses by MV the other day. Two of our three wins in this grade have been against the AIS or whatever they are called and they only have a single point. The entire structure needs to be given an enema to clean the sh*t out and get something that is workable. I think we are seeing the effect of Jobs for the Boys now coming to the fore and the corrupt prctices of selecting based on family name or amount contributed is biting us on the arse. Get some real selectors who actually have a clue and not some numpties who have passed some courses and call themselves coaches to run the sides.
I had a look at the teamsheet for the victory game, the goalie on the bench was Jesse Cook, the same guy that signed for Olympic in the NPL then got kicked out when Ireland was available, that was about 2 weeks before that game. Now he's a decent gk, and I'm not having a go at him, but it seems strange that you could sign for a NPL side, then when it didn't work out, suddenly get welcomed back with open arms in the youth.
Just had a look at the past tables
14/15 - 7pts from 13 games
13/14 - 36/27
12/13 - 31/27
11/12 - 35/30
10/11 - 34/27
Even in 08/09, we got 18 from 21.
Stubbs is by far the worse coach we've had, ever.
Looks like most of our problems could be solved if we had some money.....whoops sorry member I'm not allowed to put it down to that am I?
Money will not solve any of our issues.Quote:
Originally Posted by redwah
Competent decisions will get us out of the hole as incompetent decisions have been made that have led us to this point
Bhahahaha, you think these assholes would do any better with twice the cash? Four times the cash?Quote:
Originally Posted by redwah
All the best with that pal.
Precisely.Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
The last thing Middleby and Stubbins need is cash
The pair of them have shown repeatedly they don't know what they are doing.
I was really angry at Middleby over the state of the club. But then I read in the Herald this morning that he will conduct a full review this month, scrutinising all aspects of the Jets, including his own role.
No reason to deny him the benefit of the doubt.
You have to be taking the piss surely??:wacko:Quote:
Originally Posted by Couscous
If you are serious then
If a review is needed it should be done independently by someone not employed by the club and not attached to any of the chief decision makers at the club.
If Middleby is doing it there is a conflict of interest straight away.
If Middleby does the review and from his findings decides the CEO is doing an adequate job and doesn't sack himself after sacking Stubbins first then how competent was the review in the first place??
Now I have a couple of concerns with the bit I have highlighted red.Quote:
JETS chief executive Robbie Middleby says every aspect of the club's operations will be scrutinised during a mid-season review, including his own position.
First touted three weeks ago, the review will take place during this month's A-League intermission while the Asian Cup is in progress.
Newcastle play Sydney in Wollongong on Saturday and do not have another game until meeting Adelaide at Coopers Stadium on January 24, providing a 21-day window to dissect and analyse almost five years of mediocrity.
Not only have the Jets struggled this season, winning once in 13 games, but they also failed to reach the playoffs in their previous four campaigns.
In a statement on the club's website, Middleby said the club's operations, commercial and football departments all would be assessed.
"While the win against Adelaide and the performance against Victory were encouraging, the club's overall league position is not on track against the targets we discussed during the off-season," he said.
"We need to make some significant steps forward and improvements in the second half of the season, so I will take time during January to conduct a full review of the club, including all staff, coaches and players.
"After our match in Wollongong we have a three-week break to sit down with [chairman] Ray Baartz, [coach] Phil Stubbins, the coaching and administrative staff, and review the changes and personnel needed to take the club forward, including looking at my position and putting together plans for 2015-16. There will be a detailed review of our playing squad, including both current and potential new players to bring in."
Middleby said both Newcastle and the A-League needed "a competitive and sustainable" Jets and the club's members "deserve more from our performances".
"I will do all I can in the best interest of the club to make this happen," he said.
Why do we need a 3 week break for the CEO and Coaches to get together and have a chat about the current state of the team and the playing roster and who we need to release bring in etc?
Shouldn't this be a regular event where the coaches and CEO are in regular dialogue through out the season and discussing all matters involving the side??
Is Middleby unable to get out of the Office and down to Ray Watt to talk to Stubbins and co after training or even unable to get down to the sheds post game and talk to them??
Better yet is he unable to meet up with them at a coffee shop and chew the fat??
Is he unable to pick the phone up once a week and touch base??
Better yet is he unable to summon people who he is responsible for employing to attend his office from time to time to explain to him what the **** is going on??
Seriously what the **** is going on??
Yeah it will. With more money we can get better people in all roles. We can improve in all aspects of the professionalism of the club, from junior development, to player nutrition, to training, to scouting , to travel, to personnel, to management, even down to merchandise. Money is everything in professional sport.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
You wrote in another thread about new ownership structures and the need to spread the debt and the costs across a wider number of contributors....does this not mean that we need more people with more money?
I don't think the current club management does a good job, I do think they could do a better job with more money,
(Doesn't mean I think they'll do a good job, just better than what they are). If we had more money we wouldn't have hired stubbins, we wouldn't have needed to buy rejects and our junior development would be better.
Look I get that there are massive issues surrounding the jets, have been for ages. A massive broom through the club is needed. A cultural change is needed....but more cash would definitely help.
So you basically want to give the keys to the lunatics in the asylum.
This would be interesting.
Cash is only useful to you if you have the people in place with the intellect to spend it correctly.Quote:
Originally Posted by redwah
I think we are sadly lacking in that area.
Give someone who is an alcoholic and likes a punt $5million and given time we will still have a broke alcoholic gambler. Give $5 million to someone who has the intelligence to invest prudently and in time we have a bloke with 2 to 10 times the wealth
I would also like to point out that up until this season and Tinks decision to cut costs and get out we have had a pretty reasonable level of funding under HSG. Never heard any gripes in the years under GVE when we had Heskey as a marquee that we were not being funded well.
The club management have had more money and have not done a better job. Sure we may have finished 7th and 8th etc than our soon to be last place etc but still not good enough for what resources we had at our disposal during HSG's early years running the club. Can give them all the money you want and we will still not be achieving.
Totally disagree that for the money we had to spend on coaches Stubbins was our only choice available. Plenty of other blokes would have taken the gig for similar coin and would have arguably done a better job than he has by having a fitter structured disciplined unit working together for themselves and their fans. That is something money can not buy and needs to be instilled. Yes we may have been shopping in the bargain basement for coaches but we still backed the wrong horse
As for my point about new ownership structures and a wider number of owners my thinking is more along the lines of not having 1 bloke like Tinks/Con blowing 1-2 million each year of their money funding the club. Have 5-6 owners blowing 200k-400k each. These people are gonna be much more receptive to losses of that extent than seeing 1-2million of their wealth going down the drain each year (which they could be making shitloads with if they were using the money for their own benefit) and are thus less likely to bail at short notice leaving the club/fans in the bind.
Stubbins wasn't the only choice but he was the choice the club could make to look like they weren't going the dirt cheap option (Zane).
**** all the talk of Mulvey in... I don't want us to recycle a coach, I want us to follow in the steps of Adelaide and build something long term.
Stubbins wasn't even first choice, Arnie was but lack of money (And prob Arnold sniffing the rort) dictated Stubbins choice. Then Jerks told the Herald that Stubbins was "The" outstanding first choice candidate from the start....blah blah blah typical lies coming from clowns running the show. They sold a lie (Stubbins is only 1 exemple) to 10000 fans. They are still selling the lie with now their mid season review to make us believe they will fix it and all be good when we come back in February........#ClownsOut
You won't get cultural change within any professional sporting organisation in Newcastle. It's simply not how things get done here.Quote:
Originally Posted by redwah
You could bring in another management team but I'll guarantee you that the insular culture of this town will soon enough grind the new management / owners into the ground and bit by bit re-claim it as their own.
It happened to the Knights and it will happen to the Jets as well if they ever manage to find new owners.
My personal opinion is that the club will more than likely dissolve or be amalgamated with the.... you know the rest.
Please see my earlier post:Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
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Originally Posted by Couscous
http://i848.photobucket.com/albums/a...is4monkeys.jpgQuote:
"After our match in Wollongong we have a three-week break to sit down with [chairman] Ray Baartz, [coach] Phil Stubbins, the coaching and administrative staff, and review the changes and personnel needed to take the club forward, including looking at my position and putting together plans for 2015-16. There will be a detailed review of our playing squad, including both current and potential new players to bring in."