Devil's advocate, but who says that he isn't already and it's taking more convincing or he's trying to drive a harder bargain? It's only a third way through the transfer window,Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
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Devil's advocate, but who says that he isn't already and it's taking more convincing or he's trying to drive a harder bargain? It's only a third way through the transfer window,Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
Most transfer window business is done on the last day as agents haggle for the best deal. The live feed on the BBC in the hours before the deadline is more entertaining than.......a Jets game!
Mate people aren't just talking salary cap. Everything in football costs money...coaches, facilities, physios, dieticians, equipment and yes the all important players. We are running on the smell of an oily rag....far from a position of strength in any department.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
As for your other point about adding Berisha and Mooy and still being also rans you are kidding. The work rate of those 2 alone compared with those in the same spots for the jets would make us a better team by 10x.....you'd trade 2 kids or shirt fillers but don't look at the over all benefit to the team because of your usual vitriol.....please Berisha instead of Trufinovic and Mooy instead of Kitto any day of any week......
And fortunately for some players it's more about money, however must also be a huge lack of self belief ??!!... Thinking of Nabout and Chianese in Malaysian league 2!!!!.....
You want immediate success?... Then you need to target 5 to 6 big names not one... Why the **** would Taggs or Troisi come here???.... Look at Heart / City: shit team, shit crowds... They show the $$$$$$ and AMBITTION and attract Mooy, Paartalu, Koren, Franjic, Sorensen, Zullo,the u r gay stricker... And bingo...... Lack of ambition by Jerks / FFA is killing us.... Band aid job.... Miller is on a different planet when he says in the presser his players are talented!!!!... And Boogard in the herald today saying: "I think the pleasing thing for us as a group is that we are creating the chances and we are combining well.."... He must be smoking good shit??!!!....
im with this guyQuote:
Originally Posted by lquiquer
What do you want Miller to say? The current squad are ****ing hopeless and we won't win a game again this season? That would go down well.
Telling them they are talented not doing the job so why not?....Quote:
Originally Posted by Thomas477
Money is not our problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by redwah
Lack of money is not our problem.
It is an organisational wide cluster**** of a club.
Giving us money won't fix anything until we get competent staff across the club
Nix and Gypos have little money yet can sign adequate capable staff and players
As for your point about adding Mooy and Berisha to our side and expecting us to be contenders you are ****ing delusional if you think this to be true.
Their rest of the Jets players are not gonna improve enough to make them look good.
Watch Berisha next time Victree are on the receiving end of a loss and are second best. His effectiveness diminishes drastically
How blind are you Member - it is ABOUT THE MONEY!
Lack of money means....
* You hire monkeys because you pay peanuts - we only have the coaching staff we can afford. You can't get the "competent staff" you talk about without paying for it.
* We do not fill all positions because we prioritise what we can do without - there are unfilled jobs at the Jets and I would love to see the numbers of support staff we have compared to others.
* Again, we have a PART TIME CEO - how often do you hear of anything from Eland compared to Middleby and Murphy? What is he actually doing to improve the situation?
* You CANNOT organise the club to be fully functional as you are cutting corners and doing things on the cheap. And only doing them 2-3 days a week.
* We do not have the top quality performance/medical facilities other clubs have. Ongoing Leo issues are a case in point.
* We cannot make any use of marquee money, or even get a guest - the salary cap means little now anyway as the big clubs know how to spend their funds in other ways to get the players they want and to get them to perform.
* Lack of money means we cannot make wholesale changes to the squad now. Gypos are still last and Nix are starting to lose it now their future in clouded.
Not as delusional as thinking a damaged and ageing Griff (legend, yes) will change things overnight now is it?Quote:
As for your point about adding Mooy and Berisha to our side and expecting us to be contenders you are ****ing delusional if you think this to be true.
We need money, end of....the first thing you do with that money is bring in a proper CEO and a quality coaching staff. With that comes credibility and a change in culture. The crap guys will actually perform better and we will actually attract quality. This is just like any other employer.
After the shit we went through last year I thought success this season would be to have the club functioning, not finish last and to get a new owner in. Last years damage will take 2-3 years to repair - I still think that is the case.
And Member - if you have the solutions please enlighten us....properly. Have a look at the club balance sheet, have a look at the contracts and staff in place and feel free to show us your 12 month strategy to turn this club around. Don't whinge and whine unless you have a solution other than sacking Miller and signing Griff.
Where's the tylanol? FMD....
:pissup: you and me mate. Great post. I agree that it is about money too. It's no coincidence that as the league has matured, the gap between the has and has-nots has grown. We have a long way to get back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jetmaster
Great Post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jetmaster
The thing that makes the salary cap even worse for us is that from all reports we are using the minimum spend. So we aren't even using the full potential of the cap before you look at salary cap exemptions.
Money is a huge issue for us, why do you think someone like Arnold, who was rumoured to be coming, wouldn't touch the place. What established, successful coach would come near this place knowing full well its run next to nothing with no investment in its future.
I will agree with the Member, this organisation is a complete cluster ****, but where I differ is that I believe this is largely due to the lack of investment in back room staff which winds up with a lot of stuff just not being able to be done at our club.
Money is perhaps our biggest problem and everything else we are seeing, from on park performances, to squad signings, to part time CEO are just symptoms of the bigger problem.
Love all of this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jetmaster
I think the member is being misunderstood.
He's not saying money doesn't matter.
He is saying that based on past experience the powers that be in Newcastle would waste the money on the wrong players, at the wrong prices, for the wrong reasons.
From what I understand MFKS is implying that we need to worry more about the people spending the money rather than the money itself.
For a change I'm going to agree with him.
Because if the money comes first and nothing else changes the money will be sent down the shitter and we may never get an opportunity again.
That's a very vaild point too.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Dunster
Bottom line we need a new owner to come in sack everyone not up to the job and then assemble a club that is competitive.
If this owner is interested in what the fans think then they are not the right person for the job.
Get the team winning and / or playing quality football and the fans won't give a rats arse about anything else.
Praise the lord GriffoQuote:
Originally Posted by The Dunster
Someone gets it.
Until we sort out who is making the decisions in the first place and get competent people in to make those decisions we are ****ed and going around in circles and going nowhere.
Case in point Perth Glory. Under Sage they have had more than adequate investment into their club from the owner. Problem is it don't translate onfield as that club is just as big a cluster**** as ours is.
More money is not our solution.
Recruitment of the right people across the club is the key to turning our future around We don't have to be paying top dollar either for these people. We just need to be making smart highly intelligent decisions and finding the right people
Sorry I missed your point member. I understand where you are now coming from. I agree with you that money is not our solution but I will add the word "yet".Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
Money will assist with our solution once we have the right people making the decision. But it's kind of a chicken or the egg argument I'm seeing in here at the moment, isn't it? Need money to attract good people (who can use money wisely) but need good people to spend money we currently have to make us attractive to those with money.
I guess it's chicken and the egg !! And I agree that the crux of the matter is that we need people at the top working smarter.
My point is the pittance that the FFA is putting into the club now will not change the status quo. That doesn't look like changing until an owner is found.
A fulltime CEO doing the rounds would be a great step forward - losing Murphy at that time was a step backward.
This is where the FFA could make a big change. A good CEO would not break the bank and would make immediate changes.
To me it is not really chicken and egg or horse before cart etc
We can actually fix the employment of the right personnel issue.
The money thing we have no control of when the rich benefactor arrives.
We can fix a lot of our CURRENT problems without the money but by being intelligent with our recruitment.
The money sure as shit will accelerate this but it is pointless until the intelligence to make good decisions is in place or we will squander it
Thats pretty much my line of thought. We need a decent CEO, but a good one isn't going to come on chump change.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jetmaster
Once we have a good CEO, everything below should fall into place from there.
Having a part time CEO, who is silent for the most part, screams of a club lacking ambition and drive. And if club culture is driven from the top, we are reaping the results right now.
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Originally Posted by Jetmaster
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But a CEO's job is to just fire the bullets and implement the decisions of those who make the decisions.Quote:
Originally Posted by sammydog
Who's giving them the decisions??
The worlds greatest CEO needs direction.
It ain't necessarily their forte at finding it
EDIT: I did not see the members post until after I sent this - I may need to see a shrink immediately.
A CEO is little more than the public face representing a board of directors. Look at QANTAS as an example. Alan Joyce is little more than a puppet controlled by Leigh Clifford et al.
This club is no different to any other organisation large or small. The people calling the shots are rarely if ever the faces the public see.
And paying big dollars for a CEO won't mean a lot either as study after study demonstrates there is practically no correlation between CEO pay and company performance.
Member's new book....."how to get a top quality CEO on the cheap"....cover photo is.......the guy we have now, or the last guy, or the guy before him.......if you know of a top quality proven CEO who will work for and with little money and empty promises please forward his/her CV to: The Jets new miracle worker c/o MFKS@itsnotaboutthemoney.com
Someone's burning.Quote:
Originally Posted by redwah
5 5 5 :rof:
If only I was trying to get you upset I would be achieving some degree of satisfaction right now.
But as I wasn't I couldn't care less and will just have a giggle at you and let it go
Lots of Love MFKS
So we need a new CEO on the cheap.
Upgraded backroom staff, for cheap
A new coach.. on the cheap.
Most of our squad replaced with better players, for the same money as the "crap" blokes we have now? Plus, those guys will have to leave without taking payouts.
Who said money wasn't our problem again??:deadhorse:
Most of you guys seem to believe that the salary cap actually evens out the league, it doesn't in anyway. We have less money to spend than probably every other club in the HAL. Until we get sold and get an influx of money to pay for some of these changes, hopefully from the top of my list to the bottom, we are stuck with the back-end of the pile when it comes to staff/coaches/players.
How many people would be happy for our membership fees to double so that we could go find a proper CEO and better players?
yep it was fine and the way to goQuote:
Originally Posted by tha_hauss
Id rather have people throwing in the curly questions that are usually ignored at those pre-organised "plastic" ones.
The people on the front table adjudicated each question on its merit and threw out the repetition cause they have public speaking technique. PLUS everyone gets an answer pretty quickly unlike that other membership committee debacle.
You try scoring goals playing with a massive albatross around your neck. It's not easy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frodo
With respect to the salary cap it should not be the same amount for all teams. The bigger teams should be given a much smaller cap to work with as they have a lot of exogenous advantages working in their favour that others simply do not have.
Newcastle can talk lifestyle all it wants but to most players it can never compare to living in Brisbane, Sydney, Melbourne, or even Adelaide.
Perth and Wellington in many ways are at more of a disadvantage to Newcastle for obvious reasons.
Then there is the fact that the media will always talk up / promote the Sydney and Melbourne clubs which means sponsors are going to get more exposure and hence they want to get on board.
I'm glad we have won a title because I probably won't be around in 25 years or so to see the next.
I fully support the move to upgrade our membership fees to realistic prices point blank.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frodo
Budget membership has seen budget level management of the club
As for your order of your priorities you have it back to front
We need to start at the bottom and work our way up
The worlds greatest manager is not gonna achieve much with our squad list
The least of our worries at the moment is Eland and his part time role
We need to improve on the park
All football clubs need to win games.
We though have a much greater need to start winning than others
Strongly agree with this. This is a massive issue with us at the moment. Other teams in my opinion must be getting bundles more third party deals same crap happening in the nrl aswell.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Dunster
Newcastle in both codes getting screwed over big time.
No relegation.
Let's just all enjoy the mediocrity while it doesn't really cost us anything.
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Originally Posted by MFKS
Not burning at all.
I've noticed how reasoned logic and the plain obvious of things doesn't seem to alter your opinion so I went for good old fashioned sarcasm....went over your head too....surprising that.
Also you said that you would be all for increasing the members fees.....correct me if I'm mistaken but isn't that increasing money into the club.....something you've said isn't necessary?
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Originally Posted by redwah
Increasing membership prices is a means to an end with my ongoing dispute with plastic fans.
Keeps the wishy washy lot out
So I am all for it
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As for reasoned logic and the plain obvious going over someone's head not let the reality pass you by as it does already.
No 1 priority for me is not more money into the club as that is not what we need. We will only waste it.
The people making the decisions need to improve out of sight at the club. It is their continual incompetence and failing that has led us down this road. it is their continued failing that stops us digging ourselves out of this hole.
Our current manager should have started digging us out of the hole when he arrived. He hasn't
He has applied a pile of band aids to our wounds and done nothing to stop the bleeding.
Any fix he is offering starts next season which is just plain wrong.
It should have started this season. What exactly is his plan to right the ship with us??
Park the bus forever???
For all his park the bus tendencies and his signing flops what makes anyone think that given a pile of cash he can turn things around??
I for one think he is well out of his depth
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Originally Posted by MFKS
I reckon 8 years of shit has probably done more than raising ticket prices could in order to wash away the "plastics"
And what do you think Miller should have done, that he hasn't, to start digging us out of the 8 year hole within one season?
I think the low prices is still keeping some hanging around. put them up to market value and we see then who sticks it outQuote:
Originally Posted by GazFish35
As for what Miller should have done.
Well for a start he should have signed only blokes he sees as big part of a successful club in the future. Hoffman Poljak Labi are not this and will never be.
He hasn't went for youth he hasn't went for quality. He has just signed a pile of lower end nothing.
Where is the purpose in his transfer dealings??
Where is the bigger picture??
Secondly he should have actually formulated a game plan and style of play that the club is working towards. Yeah you can argue the parking the bus shit is doing this but we ain't winning shit in this comp with this style of play. In my mind all though we are more solid defensively this season we are much worse with the ball.
There is no pattern of play developing and nothing is a work in progress. We are going backwards with the ball. To have a successful side we need to improve this.
So far he has 6 months and not one shred of anything that the quality of good play is improving
Pretty sure Hoff was signed prior to Miller being announced. And the other two would have already have been spoken to prior surely.
Other clubs are just utilising their full 2 marquees quota and other things like having half of 2 long-serving players wages exempt from the Salary Cap which ultimately allows more cash to be freed up to bolster the squad. Really, good luck to the other clubs if they can afford it, should mediocrity be dragged down to our level because Newcastle can't get their shit together and have a truly viable football club!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Superdylan
Sick of hereing Newcastle people cry poor both in the A League and the NRL that the big city clubs are dominating because they have all this corporate backing and support....yet which town, much smaller than Newcastle won the NRL in 2015?
1st Q. why are we buying fking donkeys and the aids ridden coastie kunts getting luis Garcia (not great but not bad). Answer that ya clueless bastards
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Originally Posted by redwah
How's the holiday going ?