2018 Zone League 1 thread

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Originally Posted by Premy

To offer some perspective for everyone.
Between the 3 federations and insurance you are looking at roughly $200 per player, I'm to lazy to find the actual brakedown. Say you register 45 players you have to account $2500 for entry and $4900 for refs(we budget for 11 games).

$2500 ÷ 45 =$55
$4900 ÷ 45 =$108

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200
=$363
That's before you account for concil fees and what ever a club adds on as well.
If you as a Club can register a ZL1 player for $350 then congratulations to you but sustainability is paramount and I can not see how that would happen without significant financial backing from a Sponsor.

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I'm not currently on the committee so not totally known to the breakdown. But having been a long term member previously of the committee, the refs have always been covered by the canteen each home game which is a major saving factor in Reno if your charging $108 extra to every player.

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Originally Posted by Premy

To offer some perspective for everyone.
Between the 3 federations and insurance you are looking at roughly $200 per player, I'm to lazy to find the actual brakedown. Say you register 45 players you have to account $2500 for entry and $4900 for refs(we budget for 11 games).

$2500 ÷ 45 =$55
$4900 ÷ 45 =$108

55 +
108
200
=$363
That's before you account for concil fees and what ever a club adds on as well.
If you as a Club can register a ZL1 player for $350 then congratulations to you but sustainability is paramount and I can not see how that would happen without significant financial backing from a Sponsor.

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We are probably the most expensive coming in at $500 for the season.

On top of Premy's breakdown we have another $2500 for ground/council fees. Also a budget of $1000 for new equipment or the use of gym/indoor courts for wet weather training if needed.

Our players get home playing shorts and socks, and training socks. While new players also get a dress shirt and training shirt and shorts.

Cooks Hill charge $500 and Players get no kit what so ever.

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Originally Posted by AVB

Cooks Hill charge $500 and Players get no kit what so ever.

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Heavily discounted flat whites down Darby Street though!!!

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Originally Posted by AVB

Cooks Hill charge $500 and Players get no kit what so ever.

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yep, we play in the nude in Cooks Hill

rich club, poor naked players

welcome to Stephen Lowy's FFA

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Originally Posted by boz-monaut

yep, we play in the nude in Cooks Hill

rich club, poor naked players

welcome to Stephen Lowy's FFA

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*Players get a playing shirt for matches

Sorry Boz, I thought that's assumed

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Originally Posted by Dobbo

We are probably the most expensive coming in at $500 for the season.

On top of Premy's breakdown we have another $2500 for ground/council fees. Also a budget of $1000 for new equipment or the use of gym/indoor courts for wet weather training if needed.

Our players get home playing shorts and socks, and training socks. While new players also get a dress shirt and training shirt and shorts.

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Is the accounts between newfm team and zl team kept separate. Would assume newfm has a much bigger spend for a season. Do newfm have players being remunerated for there services. Just interested how the dynamics of all of that works

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Originally Posted by beaten favourite

Heavily discounted flat whites down Darby Street though!!!

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No-one would ever be heard uttering such peasantry in faux row Darb's. My god the street almost just shut down when they heard the typing.

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Originally Posted by Bulldogs 1962

I'm not currently on the committee so not totally known to the breakdown. But having been a long term member previously of the committee, the refs have always been covered by the canteen each home game which is a major saving factor in Reno if your charging $108 extra to every player.

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Whilst that may have worked for you guys, I personally don't think that is sensible our sustainable. What would happen if the canteen didn't turn enough profit to cover the ref fees? Where would the money come from?

It was mentioned that other clubs are using prize money to subsidize regos and whilst that seems great and may work for those clubs. Again personally I don't see that as sensible our sustainable, what would happen next season if you don't win any prize money? Do you raise your rego significantly?

We as a club are still a non for profit organization and any profit made from the different revenue streams are spent back into the club. That could range from presentation night, paying for coaching courses or facility/ground upgrades ect.

First and foremost development and sustainability are the key goals of our club.

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Originally Posted by Premy

Whilst that may have worked for you guys, I personally don't think that is sensible our sustainable. What would happen if the canteen didn't turn enough profit to cover the ref fees? Where would the money come from?

It was mentioned that other clubs are using prize money to subsidize regos and whilst that seems great and may work for those clubs. Again personally I don't see that as sensible our sustainable, what would happen next season if you don't win any prize money? Do you raise your rego significantly?

We as a club are still a non for profit organization and any profit made from the different revenue streams are spent back into the club. That could range from presentation night, paying for coaching courses or facility/ground upgrades ect.

First and foremost development and sustainability are the key goals of our club.

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This.
We're currently in a massive downturn club wide. Despite the Active Kids voucher, we're currently at about half of the junior regos from this time last year, and we had to drop an entire senior team due to lack of regos. That is a scary prospect for a country club!

I'm currently in the midst of doing some expenditure calculations so we know exactly how much it costs us for each player, at each level, and what we need to be charging for regos from 2019 to be able to sustain that and provide better skill development to keep players within the club.
For instance, if we were to run a Friday night team now due to the extra cost of electricity for the lights for game day alone the cost per player to register would be around $800 each. That's simply staggering for a Friday night AA comp!

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Originally Posted by Premy

It was mentioned that other clubs are using prize money to subsidize regos and whilst that seems great and may work for those clubs. Again personally I don't see that as sensible our sustainable, what would happen next season if you don't win any prize money? Do you raise your rego significantly?

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This year it was the winnings, last season it was sponsorship money, the trick is to adapt and not be so rigid. What you do is you get out and find more sponsors. Whore yourself around. Bring 50 blokes to a restaurant a few times in a year and get them to give some cash to do so. Everybody wins. Think outside the box.

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Originally Posted by Bulldogs 1962

Is the accounts between newfm team and zl team kept separate. Would assume newfm has a much bigger spend for a season. Do newfm have players being remunerated for there services. Just interested how the dynamics of all of that works

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Yeah the accounts for newfm, wpl and zl are all separate and run by separate committees, newfm and wpl do get a lot more sponsors then we do as companies prefer to sponsor the top squads at the club. We are grateful for the sponsors we do get however if anyone has some sponsors they don't need or even some spare bitcoin ;p we will gladly take them.
Newfm have a way bigger spend then we do as they have lease payments for the gardens and all other payments required with football. As far as I am aware newfm players are not getting any payments this year a couple might get discounted rego, we are in the building phase and as there is no promotion until 2020 whats the point in buying a premiership at the moment, we are trying to promote youth and build the club up again.

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Originally Posted by Premy

Whilst that may have worked for you guys, I personally don't think that is sensible our sustainable. What would happen if the canteen didn't turn enough profit to cover the ref fees? Where would the money come from?

It was mentioned that other clubs are using prize money to subsidize regos and whilst that seems great and may work for those clubs. Again personally I don't see that as sensible our sustainable, what would happen next season if you don't win any prize money? Do you raise your rego significantly?

We as a club are still a non for profit organization and any profit made from the different revenue streams are spent back into the club. That could range from presentation night, paying for coaching courses or facility/ground upgrades ect.

First and foremost development and sustainability are the key goals of our club.

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Considering Barnsley have been using canteen takings to pay referees for as long as they have been in existence, means your comment about it not being sensible or sustainable is a bit naive.

The committee at Barnsley work as hard as possible to ensure regos are kept to a minimum, whilst still managing to grow the club and develop the skills of those involved. And considering we have been in operation for over 55 years I think it works.

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Originally Posted by Dobbo

We are grateful for the sponsors we do get however if anyone has some sponsors they don't need or even some spare bitcoin ;p we will gladly take them.
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The bubble burst mate we're back in the poor house :rof::rof:

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Originally Posted by Dobbo

Yeah the accounts for newfm, wpl and zl are all separate and run by separate committees, newfm and wpl do get a lot more sponsors then we do as companies prefer to sponsor the top squads at the club. We are grateful for the sponsors we do get however if anyone has some sponsors they don't need or even some spare bitcoin ;p we will gladly take them.
Newfm have a way bigger spend then we do as they have lease payments for the gardens and all other payments required with football. As far as I am aware newfm players are not getting any payments this year a couple might get discounted rego, we are in the building phase and as there is no promotion until 2020 whats the point in buying a premiership at the moment, we are trying to promote youth and build the club up again.

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Cheers for the reply, was just interested in how it all worked. I bet the ZL committee have to work hard for there sponsorship as you say everyone prefers to give it to the top team. I wonder if it's the same across the board with all teams that have squads in different leagues. Or if all sponsorship is put into a big pot and as well as all expenses and then everyone gets an even go at it

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Originally Posted by Bulldogs 1962

Cheers for the reply, was just interested in how it all worked. I bet the ZL committee have to work hard for there sponsorship as you say everyone prefers to give it to the top team. I wonder if it's the same across the board with all teams that have squads in different leagues. Or if all sponsorship is put into a big pot and as well as all expenses and then everyone gets an even go at it

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All good. Yeah we in the ZL committee put lots of time in to get our sponsors.
We do have a couple of club sponsors that the funds get split between newfm, wpl, zl and juniors.

Azzurri subsidise their rego fees by getting players to man the wheelbarrow on the weekend pouring concrete. They even got Asian labour this year ay Buddah.
Cooks Hill are steep as they get Mummy and Daddy to pay via house equity
Barnsley don't have to pay an internet bill out that way so their rego is cheap
and Gardo is expensive because they have to replace new match balls every game as no one can find them in the scrub.

ps. Stocko around $330. We all just steal it off eachother via a few break and enters anyways so it all comes out in the wash..

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Originally Posted by Wilso8948

Azzurri subsidise their rego fees by getting players to man the wheelbarrow on the weekend pouring concrete. They even got Asian labour this year ay Buddah.
Cooks Hill are steep as they get Mummy and Daddy to pay via house equity
Barnsley don't have to pay an internet bill out that way so their rego is cheap
and Gardo is expensive because they have to replace new match balls every game as no one can find them in the scrub.

ps. Stocko around $330. We all just steal it off eachother via a few break and enters anyways so it all comes out in the wash..

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$330.00 is steep when you are playing on half a pitch !!

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Originally Posted by Wilso8948

Azzurri subsidise their rego fees by getting players to man the wheelbarrow on the weekend pouring concrete. They even got Asian labour this year ay Buddah.
Cooks Hill are steep as they get Mummy and Daddy to pay via house equity
Barnsley don't have to pay an internet bill out that way so their rego is cheap
and Gardo is expensive because they have to replace new match balls every game as no one can find them in the scrub.

ps. Stocko around $330. We all just steal it off eachother via a few break and enters anyways so it all comes out in the wash..

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This is brilliant and so true. We had one young fella pay his rego with cash he found down the back of the oldies couch!!!

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Originally Posted by la bazzle

$330 for the blues. But we have Crypto/Azzurricoin remember, that and prize money from last year lollllllllllllllllllll

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Plus that comes with full adidas training kit/warm up kit, adidas home and away kit, adidas tracksuits, adidas tee, adidas beanie, adidas hat, Azzurri iPhone case (legit lol), towel etc etc did I mention adidas?

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Originally Posted by the_butcher

plus that comes with full adidas training kit/warm up kit, adidas home and away kit, adidas tracksuits, adidas tee, adidas beanie, adidas hat, azzurri iphone case (legit lol), towel etc etc did i mention adidas?

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#fcknike

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Originally Posted by the_butcher

Plus that comes with full adidas training kit/warm up kit, adidas home and away kit, adidas tracksuits, adidas tee, adidas beanie, adidas hat, Azzurri iPhone case (legit lol), towel etc etc did I mention adidas?

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I was almost going to ask for a rego form but there's no mention of a bum bag so I'll pass.

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Originally Posted by Wilso8948

I was almost going to ask for a rego form but there's no mention of a bum bag so I'll pass.

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:rof::rof: watch this space

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Originally Posted by the_butcher

Azzurri iPhone case (legit lol),

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What do Azzurri have against Android? Honestly it's this single-minded attitude that reaks from the FFA all the way down to Grassroots that is killing football in this country..

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Originally Posted by Premy

Whilst that may have worked for you guys, I personally don't think that is sensible our sustainable. What would happen if the canteen didn't turn enough profit to cover the ref fees? Where would the money come from?

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How many home games in the last 5 years has your club not turned enough profit to cover those fees? Genuine question, and one that may offer some further insight into how sustainable it potentially could be.

As Premy said though, at the end of the day if they're using all their money one way or the other on improvements and maintenance, programs, whatever - then subsidising rego with canteen income is only taking money away from these areas.
From memory Suburb have a pretty good setup club wise and no trouble with numbers, so it doesn't seem like there's too many issues with what they are charging to register and I suspect they aren't too worried about it either.

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Originally Posted by Macca

As Premy said though, at the end of the day if they're using all their money one way or the other on improvements and maintenance, programs, whatever - then subsidising rego with canteen income is only taking money away from these areas.
From memory Suburb have a pretty good setup club wise and no trouble with numbers, so it doesn't seem like there's too many issues with what they are charging to register and I suspect they aren't too worried about it either.

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At CHUFC the last couple of years we've had to pay about $500 but factored into that was an amount for improvements to facilities and playing surface which we were all told about prior to rego. No one kicked up much of a stink, most people are happy to pay extra if there is transparency and the lads can see a benefit for the money.

Eradicating the compulsory insurance amount would go a long way to bringing costs down. An individual with adequate cover via medicare and private health should have no reason to stump up the extra. The policy we all go on is trash anyways.

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Originally Posted by Wilso8948

Eradicating the compulsory insurance amount would go a long way to bringing costs down. An individual with adequate cover via medicare and private health should have no reason to stump up the extra. The policy we all go on is trash anyways.

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Yeah the insurance is a joke and seriously needs to be looked at. Its honestly bordering on a rort.

My brother tried using it the season before last, and from memory its something like - you need to use all your sick and annual leave up first before they will start paying you for missed time at work. And they don't even match your wage anyway, its something like $400 or $500 a week (memory pretty sketchy on this). I believe for any medical expenses they are pretty useless and a massive hassle to deal with as well.

Get something worthwhile in place so its useful, or make it an optional thing (ie provide private health insurance details and you are exempt).

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Originally Posted by Macca

Yeah the insurance is a joke and seriously needs to be looked at. Its honestly bordering on a rort.

My brother tried using it the season before last, and from memory its something like - you need to use all your sick and annual leave up first before they will start paying you for missed time at work. And they don't even match your wage anyway, its something like $400 or $500 a week (memory pretty sketchy on this). I believe for any medical expenses they are pretty useless and a massive hassle to deal with as well.

Get something worthwhile in place so its useful, or make it an optional thing (ie provide private health insurance details and you are exempt).

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I've been through the same scenario and yes he's correct. Also cannot make claims on anything covered via your medicare and/or private health insurance. Which is basically everything..

Id happily sign a waiver if it were optional. Cannot stand paying for things twice. Unless it was a really good night..

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Originally Posted by pv4

How many home games in the last 5 years has your club not turned enough profit to cover those fees? Genuine question, and one that may offer some further insight into how sustainable it potentially could be.

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Because the money raised from the canteen (and other areas) gets pumped straight back into facilities.

In the last 2 seasons we have undertaken;

- Relocation of the cricket pitch to allow the reorientation of the top field.
- Top dressing, fertilising and soil amendments to both pitches.
- Clearing/turfing/seating of top field hill
- New Goals both grounds
- funding for future drainage of the top field

If anyone has had look at our grounds this season, you would agree that what the club has been doing to the grounds is working.

So I guess if you have no ambitions to improve the facilities you could pump it all back into subsidising regos etc. We have a long term view as to where the club as a whole (we consider the Juniors and Seniors one club and we all work towards the same goals) is headed and what we need to do to get there.

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Originally Posted by Macca

Yeah the insurance is a joke and seriously needs to be looked at. Its honestly bordering on a rort.

My brother tried using it the season before last, and from memory its something like - you need to use all your sick and annual leave up first before they will start paying you for missed time at work. And they don't even match your wage anyway, its something like $400 or $500 a week (memory pretty sketchy on this). I believe for any medical expenses they are pretty useless and a massive hassle to deal with as well.

Get something worthwhile in place so its useful, or make it an optional thing (ie provide private health insurance details and you are exempt).

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Something NNSW have been pushing is that there is a component of the insurance fee that goes towards the Club Insurance. I don't know what the break down is with the fees as to how much goes to medical insurance and how much if public liability coverage to the clubs.

Apparently if they were to remove the medical insurance component, it wouldn't make a huge difference in rego as the Club Insurance is a large part of it.

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Originally Posted by sammydog

Because the money raised from the canteen (and other areas) gets pumped straight back into facilities.

In the last 2 seasons we have undertaken;

- Relocation of the cricket pitch to allow the reorientation of the top field.
- Top dressing, fertilising and soil amendments to both pitches.
- Clearing/turfing/seating of top field hill
- New Goals both grounds
- funding for future drainage of the top field

If anyone has had look at our grounds this season, you would agree that what the club has been doing to the grounds is working.

So I guess if you have no ambitions to improve the facilities you could pump it all back into subsidising regos etc. We have a long term view as to where the club as a whole (we consider the Juniors and Seniors one club and we all work towards the same goals) is headed and what we need to do to get there.

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Your comments would suggest that if a club subsidises rego, it can't improve facilities.

Over the past few seasons Barnsley have had drainage installed, purchased new goals, undertaken turf replacement, top soil and fertilising of the fields, had seating repaired/ replaced/ added, coaching causes paid for and many other incidental improvements.

And all this whilst using canteen takings to pay the refs to assist with keeping rego as low as possible.

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Originally Posted by Bulldogs 1962

Your comments would suggest that if a club subsidises rego, it can't improve facilities.

Over the past few seasons Barnsley have had drainage installed, purchased new goals, undertaken turf replacement, top soil and fertilising of the fields, had seating repaired/ replaced/ added, coaching causes paid for and many other incidental improvements.

And all this whilst using canteen takings to pay the refs to assist with keeping rego as low as possible.

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While I commend you and your club on their hard work, what is the point of this discussion?

Its pretty easy to see that its a zero sum game - whatever income you generate (canteen, rego fees, sponsorships) goes to whatever costs you have plus whatever's left over (or vice versa). You have choices as to how much you want to levy players signing up, and have choices as to how much optional spending you do (infrastructure, facilities, courses etc). You still have to balance the books out at the end of the day.

At the end of the day, clubs heavily subsidising rego costs should view it as it is - an expenditure. Either you have extra income to cover it, or you have less available funds for other expenditures. I'm not saying its a good or bad choice either, and each club will be different. As seen from some of the others posts here, some clubs openly state they are levying for investment in facilities and players have no issue, while others are running low regos for whatever reasons, presumably to be more attractive to players / show of faith in returning players.

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Originally Posted by Macca

While I commend you and your club on their hard work, what is the point of this discussion?

Its pretty easy to see that its a zero sum game - whatever income you generate (canteen, rego fees, sponsorships) goes to whatever costs you have plus whatever's left over (or vice versa). You have choices as to how much you want to levy players signing up, and have choices as to how much optional spending you do (infrastructure, facilities, courses etc). You still have to balance the books out at the end of the day.

At the end of the day, clubs heavily subsidising rego costs should view it as it is - an expenditure. Either you have extra income to cover it, or you have less available funds for other expenditures. I'm not saying its a good or bad choice either, and each club will be different. As seen from some of the others posts here, some clubs openly state they are levying for investment in facilities and players have no issue, while others are running low regos for whatever reasons, presumably to be more attractive to players / show of faith in returning players.

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Well said Big Mac, about time someone started talking some sense around here

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Originally Posted by Macca

While I commend you and your club on their hard work, what is the point of this discussion?

Its pretty easy to see that its a zero sum game - whatever income you generate (canteen, rego fees, sponsorships) goes to whatever costs you have plus whatever's left over (or vice versa). You have choices as to how much you want to levy players signing up, and have choices as to how much optional spending you do (infrastructure, facilities, courses etc). You still have to balance the books out at the end of the day.

At the end of the day, clubs heavily subsidising rego costs should view it as it is - an expenditure. Either you have extra income to cover it, or you have less available funds for other expenditures. I'm not saying its a good or bad choice either, and each club will be different. As seen from some of the others posts here, some clubs openly state they are levying for investment in facilities and players have no issue, while others are running low regos for whatever reasons, presumably to be more attractive to players / show of faith in returning players.

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VERY common sense post buddy. Every club will have different goals

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Originally Posted by Macca

While I commend you and your club on their hard work, what is the point of this discussion?

Its pretty easy to see that its a zero sum game - whatever income you generate (canteen, rego fees, sponsorships) goes to whatever costs you have plus whatever's left over (or vice versa). You have choices as to how much you want to levy players signing up, and have choices as to how much optional spending you do (infrastructure, facilities, courses etc). You still have to balance the books out at the end of the day.

At the end of the day, clubs heavily subsidising rego costs should view it as it is - an expenditure. Either you have extra income to cover it, or you have less available funds for other expenditures. I'm not saying its a good or bad choice either, and each club will be different. As seen from some of the others posts here, some clubs openly state they are levying for investment in facilities and players have no issue, while others are running low regos for whatever reasons, presumably to be more attractive to players / show of faith in returning players.

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Fully agree man, I just offering some evidence that even when premy said it wasn't sensible/sustainable or sammydog stats it means your club isn't interested in facility improvement, it actually can be done. With all the talk of teams struggling for players and high rego being a factor this may help some clubs to change that

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Originally Posted by Wilso8948

I've been through the same scenario and yes he's correct.

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Surely nobody is surprised by this! Bahahahahaha

the draw now up on sportingpulse

Sunday 8 July at Furt Kearnley Field for Cooks Hill v Azzurri

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Originally Posted by Wilso8948

I've been through the same scenario and yes he's correct. Also cannot make claims on anything covered via your medicare and/or private health insurance. Which is basically everything..

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Are you doing it rite? I claim my physio every year after my private rebate so it costs like $8 a visit. The Medicare gap bullshit sucks a big 1.