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Unfortunately your answer is incorrect. Richard made the selections and his predecessor signed off on it. It is fact not fiction. Might not have been officially in his role however was In charge of the selections and sapQuote:
Originally Posted by Aegon
Heard it was the other way round but I dont I can be bothered worrying about it. Its done.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arsenal222
Be interesting to see how many of those lads end up in the Jests.
That contradicts everything we were told at the club in person at the end of 2019 & the direct correspondence received in the selection letters for 2020.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arsenal222
It was all completed whilst the previous TD was still employed and whilst RH was still appointed at Newcastle Football.
But as Jim said, it's done and dusted. The kids at Jaffa's this year seem happy and are training hard in preparation for the season launch and that's all that matters.
That’s the point the kids do seem happy it’s just disappointing to lose so many good juniors to other clubs. I know what was said by the club in person I heard it too, but what actually happened wasn’t said. Anyway it’s irrelevant now it’s done and hopefully junior football continues to improve across newcastleQuote:
Originally Posted by Aegon
People inside of the Jaffas did not act in the best interests of those kids and thats shameful.Sadly seeing a fair bit of 12's already its clear a lot of teams have thrown the book out and just want to win games this year.The whole point of the program has been lost except for the few teams that stuck solid with the core of their kids and sent them out to play football each week.Those teams will still win the majority of their games and end up in the best position in 13's next year.The clubs that continually took shortcuts or who made decisions that were not in the best interests of the kids will once again be left short and will spend the next few years recruiting kids from other clubs in order to catch up.The cycle continues.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arsenal222
Could not agree more, shameful is the best way it can be put and to double up on it, it wasn’t in the best interest of the club either. Get the feeling you may have been close to the situation also.Quote:
Originally Posted by sapdad
Some of the best 12s are already in 13s this year, the ones that aren’t will dominate the 12s and off to the Jets next year.
Constant player movement happens at all clubs at some time for many reasons. Worse when its a group.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arsenal222
In that mentioned case here may have been some parents that were shown the door and not necessarily about the kids.
The jostling from some parents at this "level" for their lad to seen as special has to be seen to be believed. Not just this sport though, its a cutthroat world to get to the top of politics and sport of which may become one.
I'd like to think that the level of play is improving in all youth footy over the past 3 years.
Disagree with this and partly not true. Keeping a whole u9s together for the feelgood factor is a joke.Quote:
Originally Posted by sapdad
Many kids who started 9s and in 10s werent in the league of kids that came through at 11s and 12s. Sure keep as many as possible but when these skillful kids from community football come trialing as they've just found out that SAP was a thing they clearly deserved a spot. Thats what SAP JDL was also about.
This is why I used the example I did and didnt pass it off as an overall policy.I also used the word 'core' which meant that of course some kids will move.Its not about feelgood,its about developing the kids and doing whats in their best interests.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eastwest;24***4
Yes and this should be a concern for all involved.Ive seen so many laughable parents already in trial matches this year their kid has no hope of ever making it.Cheering and complaining about rulings in small sided training matches,yelling over the fence completely undermining coaches instructions,complaining post match to coaches about where their kid should be playing.None of it is helpful and will only drive out good people trying to help the kids out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eastwest
Its funny though because there are some decent trolls on here complaining of the way we speak about our kids and take an interest in their sport.Hopefully they never actually get to any matches because they would owe us all an apology once they find out who the real nut cases are.What im seeing now is so much different from the first year of the program and I find it all a bit sad really.
Never once talked about the feel good factor, totally understand there is always someone better and other kids will be knocking that’s junior sport. You mentioned in a previous comment about parents, I do understand some parents out there are unrealistic but to be honest I am talking about this case only and not In general. The parent group we are referring to with this group of kids from 9s - 11s in the main, you couldn’t have asked for a nicer bunch of parents or kids to be honest, much to the disgust of people involved with the club.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eastwest;24***4
What is disappointing is when ill informed people pass judgment when clearly they have no idea.
And just an FYI Jaffas haven’t held trials for the past 2 years in the age group of these boys, some talented boys were identified and brought in for the U11s and others brought in when people chose to leave. The U12s added a second team and then a large number 5-6 from the U11s chose to leave requiring the club to source even more players.
It might be handy to reference calendar years with the ages. You’ve jumped between various age groups in the same paragraph and in the end I have no idea which age group you’re actually referring to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arsenal222;24***9
Was it all about 2021 12’s or are you referring to 2021 11’s as well?
The current 2021 12sQuote:
Originally Posted by Aegon
Cheers for the clarification
:hijack: By Disgruntled JAFFAS parents
Sounds more like a discussion to me. And an insight into what can happen at clubs. Always one to try and inflame things.Quote:
Originally Posted by cobra23
Interesting to see how all the kids handle the small sided stuff this weekend.
Shouldnt be too difficult as this is how most would train anyway.
watching our kids and a few other clubs train on them over the last few weeks i think the 9/10s well be ok with the 5 a side games, but the 11/12s with 6 players each just seems so crowded.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim
We're going in very cold. Weather has meant lots of washouts and when we did manage to train it was in long grass. Not conducive to getting ready for synthetic.Quote:
Originally Posted by sideline88
Our 11s teams are playing with (at most) 1 sub.. meanwhile our U9s and 10s are playing with sometimes 7! subs.
I'm trying to put a good spin on this for the kids, but this whole thing feels off. Going by our draw for the next 3 weeks it looks like we've been kinda/sorta graded already.. not sure how it looks for other teams.
Looks like the weather is holding, hopefully after the next 3 weeks I'll be back here saying I was wrong and that it was awesome and so clear what NNSWF were trying to do...
It’s consistent across the age groups.Quote:
Originally Posted by scowling
1 or 2 games out of the 6 seem to be random but for the majority it’s clear they are playing teams estimated to be at the same level already.
How’s everyone’s 5v5 and 6v6 experiences go? As expected lots of boys sitting on the bench as much as playing. The heat also threw a spanner in the works today with game cancellations.
Was I the only one who refused to spend money at the centre today out of spite?
Arrived at 1230 for 1 & 140pm games and they'd called off the previous game. And within minutes learnt both our games also canned. Just devastating for kids who have already lost so much football in the last 12 months.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aegon
ok so rules must followed but, couldnt extra precautions can be added? Large insulated ice water buckets? 1 minute drinks breaks with water on head etc half way through 1st and 2nd half.Quote:
Originally Posted by scowling
Apart from that, next 2 weeks could be doomed as well. March is usually a hot month
Hi Aegon,Quote:
Originally Posted by Aegon
We were at the facility yesterday and the conditions were very poor due to the rain. Sounds the exact opposite of the day before!
My observations were that the concept seems poorly conceived and does not add any real value. Our club receive a Memo this week which talked about the games giving players a chance to show off the 4 core skills of SAP but the games I watched were like grown men 5 a side games: lots of grunt, lots of long shot blasters, lots of subs!!
I did see Northern reps watching games so there was more officials milling around than on normal SAP weekends. I hope Northern get out of this what they need. I am just not sure what that is!! LOL
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It was definitely a very wet day down there yesterday for all involved. you mentioned that you seen a lot of subs? for us it was quiet the opposite, we played teams that had been divided into 2 separate teams which allowed almost every player to play full game. Between us and our opposition i think typically we had one player to sub players on and off per half which worked great.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
Our young one did comment though that they cannot wait to play on a full field again so they can actually get a chance to actually run with the ball. lots of really quick ball and lots of pressure with the 6v6 format
All I can say about the 5v5 and 6v6 format is that it was scrappy.
I caught pieces of Olympic v Maitland, Jaffa's v Maitland & Jaffa's vs Olympic as they were the games around us.
Lots of ball stuck against the wall and pushing and shoving to get it. Huge amounts of long shots & dribbling with less emphasis on passing.
The jaffas 12s need to get on the field quickly, looked ordinary on the small pitch and score lines reflected it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aegon
Im currently looking for the best junior Tennis players so Im going to have a table Tennis tournament to make it easier.
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Originally Posted by Jim
Well said.
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Originally Posted by Jim
I noticed Northern had a few officials watching today for the JDL at LMRFF
Who the Cleaner and the groundsman?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim
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Originally Posted by Johnno
those 2 plus some others identifying players. Some of these "scouts" are connected to npl clubs. not sure if that is a good idea or not.
A few clubs are moving away from open trials and starting to approach players when they are moving into NPL. I know a few clubs are starting to not want to run trials at all, will just invite players in to train. especially in the older age groups.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim
by the age of 12 plyers/parents and coaches know who the best kids are.if they think watching them at 6 a side is going to present anything new then they are idiots.contrary to this most of the gun kids ive watched for 3 years looked nothing special in those small courts and its doing them a diservice.everyone i know agrees who the best kids are, they will make Jets and the rest will follow the best coaches and programs into 13s which should be the way.
And then by 18, most of the kids you thought were outstanding are back in the pack and a new group of hard working late developing players are standing out. Football is the bestQuote:
Originally Posted by sapdad
exactly,which is why i hope clubs dont close off trials to kids outside the SAP program.Quote:
Originally Posted by BS detecor
How many kids do the Jets select? 15 or 16?
If they follow similar selections as the TSP last year (too much effort to run this year apparently) then in 2022 this years U12 Olympic are going to lose at least 7, Magic maybe 4 & a sprinkling of players from other clubs. The numbers were very similar in this years U11's as well.
Each year, there's always a couple of kids who turn the jets down for one reason or another but that's a lot of big shoes to fill when moving to under 13's NPL.
I wonder if it disincentives some clubs in the future from talent hoarding as "winning" games in SAP may not have a long term benefit.
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Originally Posted by Aegon
Think you'll find Magic will have way more than 4. Maitland has a couple as do Jaffas. Plus theres a few kids playing NPL 13's that may stay back next year if they get into the Jets.I dont think any one club will be ripped apart by kids going to the Jets and clubs should be proud to have their kids selected.The likes of Olympic and Magic will never struggle to get talented kids wanting to play there.
I’m only going off memory when it was discussed early last year. Apparently almost 1/2 Olympics 2021 under 12’s were selected with several of them in the age belows TSP.
I know they wouldn’t struggle to fill their numbers but bringing in players of a similar standard would be almost impossible.
I’ll be very interested to see next years 13’s NPL results anyway to see what sort of an impact the new Club SAP has had vs the association SAP.
Has the program worked in creating a larger cross section of more highly skilled players or not?
It has had to improve more kids as more kids are being exposed to higher skilled training and game play.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aegon
I Feel there are more than 2 clubs dominating with the top kids now. So many clubs are taking JDL and NPl youth recruitment more seriously. Most recently look at Edgys npl youth results against Olympic on the weekend.