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We can sustain around Youth 16 clubs max. Even thats a stretch. Maybe have 4 teams from NL1 for 2 groups of 8 OR just the top grade.
Maybe just kept it as is plus NL next year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim
And the NL1 clubs??? What about them?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Hacker
Sounds like they are dropping 1 by 1Quote:
Originally Posted by Hunter403
They are being removed, Wallsend has just been told they can't have youth teamsQuote:
Originally Posted by ForeverRed
Yeah, we have some NPL clubs struggling to field teams but some NL1 clubs have strong youth programs yet people happy to kick out them while keeping the clubs who struggle to attract and retain playersQuote:
Originally Posted by Hunter403
If that’s the case then wallsend need to be dropped out as a club, it’s not an even playing field, other clubs are putting in hard work and some aren’t, it’s ridiculousQuote:
Originally Posted by Goatscheese
The whole point of separation is that it doesn't matter if they have them or not. No point making the comp your team is in smaller in the seniors.Quote:
Originally Posted by ForeverRed
Ive heard of 2 different kids getting spots from trialing at a club and not getting a spot,but the coach/td has recommended them to another NPL club who took them in.This is great from all parties and well done to the clubs who are happy to help kids out.I heard some NL1 clubs have had great turnouts for trials for both youth and JDL,i hope any kids that didnt make it kept putting their names down elsewhere and get a spot.Maybe NNSW could organise a muster type day for anyone who hasnt got a spot by this stage and get them all together at the facility and get club coaches/TDs there to fill squads if they are still short.Could it hurt?
A recent discussion I was part of centred around the idea of NNSWF providing a pathway from community football to JDL and/or YPL.
NNSWF would set up a team in each age group, 9s through 16s. Community players who have never been part of the JDL/YPL setup would be allowed to trial/join.
Each player would be allowed one year in this team, before leaving to go back to community, or to a club within the JDL/YPL setup.
Ticks a few boxes for me; including parents unsure of how whether their child can fit into such a system with extra training etc.
Even better if the cost could be reduced/eliminated to entice players who might otherwise not enter the system. Could there be a subsidy or scholarship type approach attempted for transitioning these kids into clubs? Limits as to how many players from an age group can go to a single club at the end of the year?
I'm sure there are valid issues that mean this could never happen, but putting here for discussion.
Some interesting points however:Quote:
Originally Posted by scowling
Reestablishing a team in each age group each year would be a significant challenge
NNSWF has no ground beyond the LMRFF so you can imagine the cost to be part of that team having to pay to use that each week
If subsidised by NNSW football the screaming from the clubs/parents who would be subsidising the process would be deafening
How about everyone goes back and play community footy, no training shirt , no sport bags, no track suit, no academy’s, zones pick a rep team every year, train two nights, if you are any good at 16/17 then try your luck at seniors because the current system just ain’t working, imagine the money all you mums and dads will save, it worked in my day and produced some of the best footballers this town has seen, just a thought
Spot on Red. Some outstanding players 15 and 20 years ago without academies or pathways. The best players played rep football for either Macquarie, Newcastle or Hunter Valley Zones and the best of those represented N.N.S.W at the national titles.Quote:
Originally Posted by ForeverRed
And if you ask any of them they will tell you kids these days are way more skilled and overall better players than these former pros were at the same age. These former pros also wish they had the facilities and coaching that kids these days do.Theres plenty of them involved in youth football,get out there and ask them.You all had an NPL back then it was called A grade.yes theres more wank to it now but so is absolutely everything else in this world.Theres no going back so lets try and make the best of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hurricane
That’s fine, but can you all stop complaining how much it costs pleaseQuote:
Originally Posted by sapdad
i cant speak for anyone else but a quick search of my posts will show you i have no problem with the cost and think its money well spent considering all of the training,access and organisation it takes to run a program like this.I think youll find most people complaining about the cost dont even have kids playing NPL/NL1 they just want to stir people up.Ive read enough posts about you on here to know that you have been heavily involved in clubs so you know the costs,and the overwhelming positives a program like this has for kids.My kid wont ever make a dollar out of the game but while ever he is good enough to play at this level id encourage it because of all the other benefits it affords him.Quote:
Originally Posted by ForeverRed
I hear this a lot and I think about who did it produce? A few mediocre NSL players who managed to get into the local team that never even made it to a grand final or won any tournament. Made a few socceroos but the socceroos under this wonderful system never qualified for a World Cup. Meanwhile this current crap system across Australia is seeing the fruits of labor helped by young players that have only been in this "crap system".Quote:
Originally Posted by ForeverRed
It didn't work in your day at all you're just looking at was the best back then which if in today's environment would be bang up average.
They say we do have an easier path now days, but that's debatable also, how many of the current crop or close to it come out of Newcastle??Quote:
Originally Posted by Goatscheese
Quality over quantity i think is a better path in Newcastle, yes, we need quality coaching by quality coaches etc. and you need to give everyone a chance to succeed in the game, but at some stage we also need to open to the fact.
That not all will make it, no matter how good the coach is, no matter how many clinics they attend, no matter how many games they play, no matter how much the parents pay. they just won't make it.
The really good ones will shine no-matter the circumstances, the fringe go two ways, some attach on the coat tails of the really good ones and succeed, the others get dragged back down by the mediocre without realizing their true potential.
As i have mentioned before there are not enough kids to fill all these so-called youth/elite spots in Newcastle, yes it does work in the major cities, population plays a big part in this.
I don't think there is an easy answer, but obviously the system is not working, raping and pillaging parents to pay for senior players, overpriced coaches and/or TD's etc, whilst blowing smoke some very ordinary bum holes for $$$ is not the answer.
We can still have the youth programs, just don't have to include every kid who plays football in Newcastle go through it.
cheers
"Old man yells at cloud"Quote:
Originally Posted by ForeverRed
The community pathway still exists as it's never gone away. How many elite players have come via that pathway in the last 20 years?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hurricane
But by all means continue to say "back in my day things were better" as it adds so much to the discussion :)
A quick look at 2022 numbers (boys/mixed):Quote:
Originally Posted by Jardelsimage
U12's
Interdistrict:
10 grades, Avg. 8 teams per grade, 80 teams.
11v11 with a conservative estimate of 13 players per team
= 1040 players
JDL
1 grade, 29 teams
9v9 average of 11 players per team, lets round it up to 12 though.
= 348 players
U13's
ID's
6 grades, avg. 8 teams per grade, 60 teams.
11v11 estimate of 14 players per team
= 840 players
NPL/NL1
2 grades, 10 & 8 (-NIAS, MNC, NC), 18 teams
Estimate of 15/16 players per team. Lets just say 16.
= 288 players
U14's
ID's
5 grades, 8 teams per grade, 40 teams.
Estimate of 14/15 players per team. Lets say 14.
= 560 players
NPL/NL1
2 grades, 10 & 8 (-NIAS, MNC, NC), 18 teams
Estimate of 15/16 players per team. Lets just say 16.
= 288 players
It doesn't look to me like every player is forced to be part of the elite pathways.
What a backwards idea. They were the best footballers of their time... Now, would they keep up? probably not. It's also elitist to pick rep teams like that and does exactly what everyone is always complaining about football being like.Quote:
Originally Posted by ForeverRed
Judging by the Socceroos its working better then maybe people are willing to let on. It takes more work to get there not less - the AIS and support systems around footballers needs to increase not be removed.
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Originally Posted by Aegon
I wish there was a GIF for this. lol
Wow that's great, love stats..but it was a throw away comment about every kid who plays football.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aegon
I know the system quite well and i am very aware of how many teams/players are out there.
Anyways the point is there are still too many players in the system that are, to be honest, just shite and clubs and others are pulling in big dollars telling us all how good they are, when i think a still more elite pathway would benefit better..
But that's my opinion...cheers
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Originally Posted by KITZ
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sounds like someone didn’t get picked in the u12s 😢😢Quote:
Originally Posted by Aegon
Others banned for inciting references. A Mod should know better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aegon
Feel free to review FR's posting history in youth and JDL to see if there is any positive or constructive comments.Quote:
Originally Posted by samcan
The comment/.gif are in response to the repeated nature of the above.
Continually saying youth/jdl is crap without actually contributing any recommendations or ideas apart from go back to how it was in the past justifies the tongue in cheek response. In my opinion anyway.
I didn't play Football until Over 35's and judging by my performances I probably wouldn't have ben picked. Not sure this has any relevance though.Quote:
Originally Posted by ForeverRed
Go and read my post, it states at the end “ just a thought””, it’s a public forum if you don’t like an opinion you should jog on and go yell at some cloudsQuote:
Originally Posted by Aegon
Didn’t lace a boot until O/35’s - thanks for clarifying that, as I’ve just read your posting history and now it makes a lot more sense 😁Quote:
Originally Posted by Aegon
NewcastleFootball.net Theory - the longer a thread continues, the chances of comments turning from constructive contributions to personal attacks increases.
E.g. “wow, a new Youth Football Thread, let’s see how many pages it takes for Newcastlefootball.net theory to be proven correct”
I wonder if a club like Kotara South would be interested in eventually joining in NPL/NL1 youth now that it has been decoupled?They seem to have plenty of kids and there have been so many good kids we've met along the way that started their football at Kotara South but moved on to join JDL then progress.Maybe if JDL was offered there it could lead to fielding teams in youth.If im not mistaken they were a part of the NET program back in the day?
They might be but if they still play as Nesbitt, it would never meet the facilities criteriaQuote:
Originally Posted by sapdad
I think NNSW need to get together with all the interested clubs and say this is what 2025 looks like.
At the end, we have current NPL, NPL2 made up of current and new, etc. whatever it is. Stick to it. Promotion relegation. Put some excitement and competitiveness back into the comps. NL1 is dying because nobody cares. If you win, who cares, if you lose who cares. Nobody dropping out or getting relegatedz
Get the clubs that are interested in NPL, developing and ambitious or consistent good results and formulate some competitions and pathways for clubs.
There’s no point trying to promote a Belswans or Dudley or whoever (just randomly picked) if the club/members don’t really want to go up divisions. And that’s fine. Each to their own. But clubs like kahibah, Southy, mayfield, west lakes, warners bay or suns or whoever (again randomly named) who may aspire to bigger things shouldn’t be restricted.
Once they can sort out what the premier comps look like. Same process, let the clubs interested in youth put together a program and do this Youth League in a similar way. Let kotara south or warners bay or whoever enter the lowest tier of the comp (provided they field all teams, meet coaching requirements etc) if they want to.
Some clubs may be interested in youth and do it well, others may not, maybe relationships can form between a youth club and an NPL club.
Just think you need to know what’s happening at the top, for kids and parents to see the progression plan.
I think a clear vision communicated with enough time to plan is essential.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bremsstrahlung
My question is if you don't pick rep teams how will kids aspire to get better?Quote:
Originally Posted by KITZ
I'm sure there are kids in JDL/SAP at NPL/NL1 clubs that are aspiring to get into the Jets system, other's may just want to play at NPL/NL1 level with their mates.
Sport in general starts as community sport and as people improve and develop, they get to where they want to be.
Some people will play just for fun and stay in community football their whole career. Others will aim higher, and some will even get to the top.
Looks like 2023 TSP invitations have been sent out for the U13-U16's (17's for girls) groups for next year.
With TSP no longer covering U12's or below it looks like they made the call to increase TSP numbers from 12 to 32 players per group.
4 x 10 week cycles with a game every second week.
Starts 30th of January and runs till mid September.
$90 per cycle with all sessions in the hunter regions @ speers point.
Congratulations to all the boys and girls selected.
Not a lot left to TSP now with a game every second week - just not enough coaches I suspect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aegon
Pre academy has gone out today as well.