never heard of the "existing home grown" allowance! I'm guessing we didn't use it, much like we didn't use any allowances.
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never heard of the "existing home grown" allowance! I'm guessing we didn't use it, much like we didn't use any allowances.
http://resources0.news.com.au/images...17830799ac.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Grimario
Isn't that the thing that replaced the junior marquee thing a few years back? Am sure pv4 was saying that a few weeks/months ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by belchardo
This is positive for us as we didn't use full salary cap and gives potential for both Bk salaries to be subsidised.
This is provided we have an owner willing to spend to the potential of the new rules..
Yep I've been saying it for ages now, but never had it confirmed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grimario
Robbie Middleby was the first I saw to refer to it in that way - turns out he wasn't talking BS!
Yep. If they don't want to spend outside the FFA TV deal funded salary cap, all of this stuff means nothing for us. It's HUGE for the Sydney and Melbourne clubs, especially City who can now get a second marquee.Quote:
Originally Posted by rhysd
Also goes a fair way to supporting MFNE's rumour about Thwaite gone from Perth and a striker coming in. Can only happen if the two marquee thing changed.
Actually... if we weren't at the cap last year, we potentially have another 5% this year that we can use...Quote:
Originally Posted by Grimario
Though given we fired everyone and their costs had to be in the cap, I can't imagine we had much space.
I feel like I've argued it on here several times, but I think this Salary Cap banking rule is confirmation that clubs do not just get given a lump sum of money to the full extent of the cap each month, and whatever they don't spend they can keep. It hasn't ever worked like this. Whatever clubs didn't spend in the cap, the FFA did NOT give them the leftover money. So there was no financial benefit from not spending the entirety of the cap.
Time to sign Scott Pettit.
except for money saved on:Quote:
Originally Posted by pv4
- physios
- accommodation
- flights
- medical
- kit
- overheads
I get what you're saying, but it seems a little simplistic to argue that there are no costs related to employing a player that aren't covered by the salary cap.
Don't forget Hoe's.Quote:
Originally Posted by belchardo
Hoe's be expensive.
Depends - can be http://www.bunnings.com.au/cyclone-l...-hoe-_p3358751Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
Or you can go with the cheaper model http://www.bunnings.com.au/fiskars-p...-hoe-_p3350239
Money not saved onQuote:
Originally Posted by belchardo
- Pingers
I don't doubt any of that. I've just always argued against the people who think Tinkler just got handed in cash the leftover money that we weren't hypothetically using from the cap.Quote:
Originally Posted by belchardo
pretty sure that this is Guest players, so come January City can sign anyone outside of the cap and they can play finals.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grimario
Does the Guest player count towards the Visa spots?
Didn't last season when they had Villa.Quote:
Originally Posted by Premy
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/spo...-1227480018012
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N A-League strike is a real prospect for the first time, after players reacted with fury to being told their bosses no longer have to recognise their union.
In what was being described on the players’ side as “unprecedented step”, they were told Football Federation Australia had pulled out of the agreement that has governed all relations between FFA and players since 2007.
Though FFA insist they want to replace it with a new agreement, the move marks a radical amplification of the pay-and-conditions dispute that has spiralled since last season, as negotiations over a new pay deal (CBA) have broken down amid acrimony on both sides.
For the first time, PFA bosses are refusing to rule out strike action two months out from the start of the A-League’s 11th season.
The so-called Memorandum of Understanding commits FFA to collective bargaining with the PFA, as well as to the independent grievance process that players and clubs use to settle disputes. It also governs player welfare programmes and club v country issues over international call-ups.
The MoU expires tomorrow, and FFA have written to the PFA to say it will not roll over while negotiations continue. It has underpinned all negotiations for the past eight years, but talks over a “whole-of-game” collective pay deal - taking in the Socceroos, Matildas and the A-League - have foundered in recent months, with claims of officials storming out of meetings as tensions have risen.
The PFA were angered by changes to the salary cap rules announced yesterday, they claim without any consultation and which freeze the overall cap for the next two seasons - although greater allowances outside it were also introduced.
“The announcement unilaterally imposes the salary cap freeze rejected by the players in the CBA negotiations which will largely undermine the reforms and place even greater pressure on the A-League’s core player group,” said PFA CEO Adam Vivian.
“FFA has left the PFA and the players with no option but to take the necessary steps to secure the rights and wellbeing of Socceroos, Matildas and A-League players under Australian industrial law.”
It’s understood that all options are now on the table, including industrial action for the first time.
But A-League boss Damien De Bohun rejected the idea that FFA would seek to derecognise the union, and said the union had been advised of the salary cap changes a week ago.
He insisted that all the changes to the salary cap had been made under the terms of the MoU, and said FFA wanted to introduce a new version of it to replace historical provisions that no longer applied.
“FFA continues to be committed to ensuring an appropriate MoU is agreed between FFA and the PFA, alongside any CBA, and any assertion that FFA has no intention to move forward without a CBA or MOU is scurrilous,” he said.
“The fact remains that the current MOU expires on Friday and after eight years the details of some aspects are now out-dated and need to be altered to reflect the current landscape, which the FFA is committed to resolving.
“Over the last six months, the FFA and PFA have had more than 20 meetings in relation to the CBA.”
PFA and Vivian need to have a good hard look at themselves.
FFA up the salary floor by 5% and gave Clubs that can afford it the chance to pay the PFA's constituents more money.
PFA need to understand that they have a job of protecting the game of football as well as football players. If the PFA are just going to bleed football for all the money they can get, in the long term they're going to ruin the game that they and their constituents rely on
What does the PFA do for all the people who help run their constituents workplace. All the people behind the scenes at a football club who often are the 1st to go unpaid when clubs find themselves in financial pressure.
PFA typical modern day union, only out for themselves and there mates... They have done jack shit for actual football players in situations like us and brisbane and gypos and perth except for wanting money money money!!!!!....
Its a joke!
http://www.fourfourtwo.com/au/news/i...ide-pfaffa-row
What are FourFourTwo saying with the picture!?!?!
Typical parasites at the PFA. Exactly what the **** did they do when Griff and co got boned??
**** all
Now it comes time to negotiate a new deal and the parasites want more money to be played to shit players.
Reality is these players in Australia are ****ing overpaid now. Add in the clubs can not afford the wage level anyway and they are ****ing themselves in the process.
****ing Pricks
As for these new Salary Cap rules. What a ****ing joke.
If the purpose is to have a salary cap to keep the competition even then what ****ing good do these lurks and perks offer for the 6 clubs not based in Sydney or Melburn??
**** all.
Any extra money these clubs get should be put into infrastructure of the club, marketing campaigns junior development etc. Not wasted on giving them better quality players to win a ****ing trophy.
stop whingingQuote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
i see the member's holiday did nothing to soothe the never-ending rage
It would be easier for him to stop breathing.Quote:
Originally Posted by De-Champ
I pictured him sitting at home getting slightly more angry each day.Quote:
Originally Posted by q-money
The PFA is only there to look after its fee paying constituents.
Moralise all you want about the good of the game etc etc but it ain't their problem.
The butchers' only selling you the sausage, how you cook it ain't their problem boss.
Isn't djite their player representative? He cops a fair bit from Adelaide fans these days, and don't think it's just about his lack of goals
See they are only looking after their clients interests only.Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
A lawyer who though makes a lot of money making impassioned pleas to keep GUILTY pedo, murderers etc out of gaol is still a first class **** in my eyes though
http://www.fifa.com/classicfootball/...334/index.html
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Australia’s forgotten goalscoring king
The history of football is littered with supremely gifted players who, for one reason or another, never attained the kind of enduring star status that their talent deserved. Australia’s Reg Date is undoubtedly one such player.
A charismatic and colourful character off the field, Date’s scoring record was nothing short of astonishing. From his debut as a raw-boned teenager in 1937 until his final outing in 1954, Date tallied an incredible 664 goals across club and representative matches.
“The best Australian player I ever played with or against,” was how he was described by Joe Marston, Australia’s football pioneer of the era, who enjoyed a high-profile career in England decades before his compatriots did so.
On several occasions, Date has been referred to as the ‘Don Bradman of Australian football’, in reference to the Australian cricketer of the same era who, statistically, is unquestionably that game’s greatest player. Yet the Newcastle-born Date, who passed away exactly 20 years ago today aged 74, is barely known even in Australia’s football community, let alone further afield.
Partly that is a result of the era in which he played, when - unlike today - media coverage was minimal. During that period Australia’s sporting focus only infrequently turned to football, a situation that largely remained the case until a decade ago.
Partly too it was a reflection on the personality of a man who eschewed the limelight, following his own path. Date worked as a coalminer during the week, and was seemingly happy to play on weekends with the local team. Never one to follow a conservative path, he owned a pub in a tough neighbourhood just down from the docks in Newcastle, and was known to enjoy partaking in boxing, even in his latter years.
“A great player and a great bloke, but boy he could drink,” said Marston. “The selectors, they never liked Reggie. He was too much of a larrikin. They couldn’t handle him.”
Football in that era could be hugely physical, and it was an environment in which the stocky but powerfully-built Date thrived.
Despite his roguish nature and physically imposing style, Date was renowned not only for his technique and finesse, but as a team man who played with old-fashioned sporting values. “Never did I see a footballer play the game more fairly,” Jack Mathews, sporting editor of the Newcastle Morning Herald and Miners’ Advocate, said following Date’s retirement. “Never did I see one more brilliant, one more spectacular or dangerous to his opposition than was Date. Date was all those things, yet was always a team man who shunned every chance to shine as an individual.”
This prolific striker reportedly turned down offers to play with Cardiff City and for Glasgow Rangers, in moves that would have pre-dated Marston’s breakthrough move to the mother country by several years. Reg Flewin, captain of an England XI which toured Australia in 1951, said of the local hero: “He’d be a top-liner in an English team.”
Date, who grew up in Newcastle’s outer suburbs, was never coached as a young player. His upbringing was against the backdrop of a working-class city, where the local coal and steel industries were the dominant employers. As a result, Newcastle was arguably the home of Australian soccer in the 1930s and '40s. Date’s local team, Wallsend, was the epicentre of the game in Newcastle, with their Crystal Palace ground playing host to international matches during that period.
Encouraged by his grandmother, Date practised as a youngster by kicking a tennis ball against the wall of the local power station. This self-taught approach mirrored that of Bradman, in fact, who famously honed his skills by hitting a golf ball with a cricket stump against a corrugated-iron water tank.
Date scored hundreds of goals at junior level, and in one season reportedly scored seven or more every time he took to the field. Wallsend soon called and the 16-year-old stepped seamlessly into the rough-and-tumble of senior football in a working man’s town.
His rare on-field ability and off-field magnetic persona quickly made Date a hero. And the local boy-made-good flourished in familiar surroundings. He spent his entire career at his hometown club, aside from three typically prolific seasons with top Sydney side Canterbury. One season in Sydney produced a record 73 goals, a tally that will surely never be surpassed.
Brief taste of glory
Sadly, though, Date’s international career in the national team colours was brief. While it spanned six years, he only played in just five full internationals, all of which came over the course of a single month during 1947. Date, however, typically displayed his ability for the exceptional by scoring after just four minutes of his debut against South Africa, en route to a tally of eight goals in his five outings.
World War II and the paucity of internationals played by Australia were contributing factors to Date’s limited outings in the green and gold. But equally, according to his contemporaries, were his brushes with officialdom.
“He [Date] was the outstanding player of those years, no doubt about that,” Australia forward of the era Frank Parsons said of his fellow Novocastrian. “[But] Reg was outspoken. Reg didn't make either of those tours to New Zealand [1948] or South Africa [1950] and he should have made both of them. He should have been the first picked to go to New Zealand.
“We had a few nights together in Newcastle and enjoyed each other’s company. He just loved to talk about soccer. Reg was a character and that pub of his … He was a tough hombre, Reg - the right man for a hotel."
Australia has produced numerous headline names in recent years, but the Socceroos’ lineage stretches back to arguably the greatest of them all: A knockabout coalminer with little interest in fame or fortune, simply playing the game he loved.
its not the lawyer....its the lack of evidence...lack of proving your case.....Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
But hey whats that got to do with you whinging on anything and everything
Once again I'm with the Member on that one..........PFA wants this, PFA wants that, typical Union: where is the money coming from?..Idiots.....Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
And god damn right: Where were they last year when 5 of ours players were axed...???? D&^kh$5Ds
PS: The Member only likes Sausage Rolls and Pies (See his Twitter account), sausages are NOT in his portfolio..... :lulz:
Lel. For those who didn't click:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeterpool
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Which part are we all not understanding?Quote:
Originally Posted by lquiquer
The union is there for its members. There is no other purpose for them.
They are there to get the maximum return for the blokes who pay their fees.
You go haggle to get a few grand off a house or a car, you give a shit who's pocket that comes out of?
Of course not, not your problem.
Since when did sport (especially football) become about what's fair?
Jesus if everyone was so ****ing concerned with being fair we wouldn't need referees would we?
Some of you lot are way way way too romantic about the way the world works.
If that is true then are you saying that one cannot differentiate between the role of the player managers and that of a collective body such as the PFA ?Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
They're still leaching of the Game.Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
Unions are a must, they have their place. However they still need to be realistic, they have a responsibility to ensure that their constituents are in a healthy workplace. Part of a healthy workplace is being financially stable, if the Union are asking for money that employers don't have then that's not being realistic is it?
A player manager is there to look after his own individual client and will more than gladly advance his cause at the expense of his teammates/owners/managers/tea lady.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Dunster
PFA is there to do a similar job but with more constituents and less leverage.
Player managers have way more leverage because their market place is a lot bigger in which to operate in.
The PFA are in a slight pickle knowing that if they stuff things up and the league collapses then there is no more PFA, although the players themselves still have options all over the world.
Dont know about you but id say the overwhelming % of the population go to work to do whats best for themselves. Nowt wrong with it.
What like when the union agreed to a salary cap freeze for a few years in exchange for greater contract security from the FFA after the fury collapse. Go ask the laundry list of players who have been screwed out of wages and super from the FFA's hand picked owners. Where was the FFA making sure that the players got a fair compensation for the theft of their entitlements.Quote:
Originally Posted by Premy
If the FFA isn't responsible for the actions of their owners then why is the PFA expected to be held to a greater standard. If you ask me the owners and FFA have brought a lot of this on themselves with the disregard for how some of the owners have acted.