SQUAD FOR 2015/16 SEASON - no Griff, no party

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Originally Posted by Grimario

Oi, I've heard of him.

Last time we signed Olyroos, weren't their names Josh and Adam and both got sold for profit? I wouldn't say Chapman or Biraz were bad signings either.

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Kitto is an Olyroo.

Allegedly

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Originally Posted by Grimario

Good sign if it's Watson. Would like to keep Kanta but if he's on the amount of coin people keep suggesting, he doesn't seem to be worth it unless we can start spending outside the cap on local products. Of all the 15/16 endings, the only one I would really want to keep apart from Kanta is Biraz and Lundy. The rest are either shit or definitely on too much coin.

1. Mark Birighitti - 15/16
3. Jason Hoffman - 15/16
5. Ben Kantarovski - 15/16
6. Cameron Watson - 15/16
7. Enver Alivodic - 15/16
9. Miloš Trifunović - 15/16
10. Leonardo - 15/16
18. Josh Baressi - 15/16
23. David Carney - 15/16
25. Brandon Lundy - 15/16
28. Ryan Kitto - 15/16 (IR)

2. Daniel Mullen - 16/17
8. Mateo Poljak - 16/17
11. Labinot Halti - 16/17
12. Andy Brennan - 16/17
14. Mitch Cooper - 16/17
15. Themba Marlow - 16/17
17. Radan Pavicevic - 16/17
20. Ben Kennedy - 16/17
22. Lachlan Jackson - 16/17
??. Steven Urgakovic - 16/17

4. Nigel Boogaard - 17/18
24. Nick Cowburn - 17/18

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As for your list there

Obviously we can start shifting some of those on at seasons end whose contract is up by not signing them again

The issue for mine is Millertime needs to be shifting a few of those on in the 16-17 list.

That is where his work is to start thinning them out as quite frankly near all of them are not offering much value as players to us and our predicament

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Originally Posted by MFKS

Kitto is an Olyroo.

Allegedly

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He was put on the Olyroos standby list after signing for us... he wasn't before, was he?

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Originally Posted by MFKS

As for your list there

Obviously we can start shifting some of those on at seasons end whose contract is up by not signing them again

The issue for mine is Millertime needs to be shifting a few of those on in the 16-17 list.

That is where his work is to start thinning them out as quite frankly near all of them are not offering much value as players to us and our predicament

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Kennedy, Themba and Brennan yeah i agree. But Mullen, Poljak and Jackson definitely keep. If Cooper doesn't improve and start making the first team i think he will move on at seasons end anyway.

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Originally Posted by Frodo

Kennedy, Themba and Brennan yeah i agree. But Mullen, Poljak and Jackson definitely keep. If Cooper doesn't improve and start making the first team i think he will move on at seasons end anyway.

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Why get rid of Brennan? He hasn't even had a chance to do anything in senior side because of injury. I don't see anything remotely worth keeping with Pavicevic, he'd be on my list of attempted get rids.

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Originally Posted by Frodo

Kennedy, Themba and Brennan yeah i agree. But Mullen, Poljak and Jackson definitely keep. If Cooper doesn't improve and start making the first team i think he will move on at seasons end anyway.

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Mullen is a HAL level player and reality is we are paying overs for him anyway.
Amongst our lot he looks good but reality is he ain't the greatest in the world anyway. I would let him go if possible

Poljak is a waste of a foreigner spot. He ain't bringing anything to the game that an Aussie couldn't do.
Passing the ball slowly and over the sideline can be done by someone else

Agree on keeping Jackson though

As for the rest of them. All are expendable and non essential MOVING FORWARD

None of you have Griff on your lists it's a ****ing disc-race.

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Originally Posted by plague

None of you have Griff on your lists it's a ****ing disc-race.

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I thought it was a given?

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Originally Posted by Grimario

He was put on the Olyroos standby list after signing for us... he wasn't before, was he?

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Yep....what did Aurelio see in him? We don't have better players to put on standby? ..... :facepalm:

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Originally Posted by riverboy

You are a goose!!!!! What about boogaard, hoffman, carney, plus a few others.

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No team will ever win the A-league relying on that trio.

To settle for them is to basically be content with never making the finals again.

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Originally Posted by Grimario

Oi, I've heard of him.

Last time we signed Olyroos, weren't their names Josh and Adam and both got sold for profit? I wouldn't say Chapman or Biraz were bad signings either.

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James Holland did ok for us as well. If this blokes of that calibre then Poljak, Watson, and Kanta will essentially be playing for their spots if not careers.

Poljak still has aother year after this to go but based on his performances would be one of the first I'd get rid of. He doesn't bring enough to the team given he's on good money.
Watson you wouldn't keep at any price.
Kanta - the club need to roll the dice with and pay him a much lower wage. If he leaves then so be it - tired of this club gambling on long shots or blokes not rising to expectations.

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Originally Posted by The Dunster

James Holland did ok for us as well. If this blokes of that calibre then Poljak, Watson, and Kanta will essentially be playing for their spots if not careers.

Poljak still has aother year after this to go but based on his performances would be one of the first I'd get rid of. He doesn't bring enough to the team given he's on good money.
Watson you wouldn't keep at any price.
Kanta - the club need to roll the dice with and pay him a much lower wage. If he leaves then so be it - tired of this club gambling on long shots or blokes not rising to expectations.

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new team needed

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Originally Posted by MFKS

Mullen is a HAL level player and reality is we are paying overs for him anyway.
Amongst our lot he looks good but reality is he ain't the greatest in the world anyway. I would let him go if possible

Poljak is a waste of a foreigner spot. He ain't bringing anything to the game that an Aussie couldn't do.
Passing the ball slowly and over the sideline can be done by someone else

Agree on keeping Jackson though

As for the rest of them. All are expendable and non essential MOVING FORWARD

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My thinking was Mullen should stay unless we can find someone better, he is capable enough beside Boogard to justify his place in the team compared to other positions we need to improve on. Although i didn't realise we spent a bit of money on him, that's worrying.

Poljak needs someone else in midfield to run things, he is capable enough at winning the ball and moving it between the guys close to him but we need someone better to run the show and transition the ball from defense to attack. I think he would improve enough with a quality player beside him to keep him at this point in time.

I think we pick either Kanta or Poljak to be our ball-winner and release the other. I thought Kanta was earning more than Poljak and just isn't good enough at any position to keep him. (good at many positions but not great at any of them)

I think we need to fix the front four before we start worrying about defense, Our entire front four as well as Cooper and Pav aren't working. We either change personnel or change the system because we are putting round pegs into square holes half the time.

I'd prefer Kanta over Poljak but neither of them at anything over $130k a season.

Here's a video of some of the new guys playing

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tTyFTtcQ5II

Doesn't look half bad, has a good eye for passes and good range, not afraid to take some shots. Good going forward as well, not afraid to get in amongst it and good defensively. Him and Cowburn in the middle of the park would be interesting, Cowburn and him together are both good defensively but can get amongst it and are good at linking play from defence to attack. Wouldn't be the worst, considering they're both cheaper to give them a run in the middle of the park together and see how good they can play together

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Originally Posted by Frodo

My thinking was Mullen should stay unless we can find someone better, he is capable enough beside Boogard to justify his place in the team compared to other positions we need to improve on. Although i didn't realise we spent a bit of money on him, that's worrying.

Poljak needs someone else in midfield to run things, he is capable enough at winning the ball and moving it between the guys close to him but we need someone better to run the show and transition the ball from defense to attack. I think he would improve enough with a quality player beside him to keep him at this point in time.

I think we pick either Kanta or Poljak to be our ball-winner and release the other. I thought Kanta was earning more than Poljak and just isn't good enough at any position to keep him. (good at many positions but not great at any of them)

I think we need to fix the front four before we start worrying about defense, Our entire front four as well as Cooper and Pav aren't working. We either change personnel or change the system because we are putting round pegs into square holes half the time.

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Now if you think Kanta is better than Poljak but Kanta is not great at any position why are you advocating we choose one of them??
Either they are a definite keeper or we move on without them. Plenty of other options out there. Why limit ourselves with these two??
FFS I would prefer Jobe or Zads than these two

As for Mullen you say if we can't find someone better then we keep him.
Well finding someone better than him on less money is highly achievable as many HAL CD's are better and on less money than him so we move him on too

As for our priority being to fix the attack. We need to fix the whole ****ing club. Not limit ourselves to 4 players

I'll say the same thing I said on one of the fan pages.

Nothing against the new signing, but it screams to me of writing the season off. With over 30 points on offer, why are we bolstering our already young squad with more unproven youth and wasting another squad spot.. Especially as he'll be unavailable to us for a few weeks with olyroo duties.

Put him in after the season, trim some of our younger players coming off contract... But use the January transfer window to find a couple of proven players who c an put the goal in the net... Why write the season totally off at this point.

There will be a shit ton of players off contract at the next transfer window, go do your speculative transfers then, rather than now when we have limited spots available.

What's the story with Themba Marlow ? He's signed until 16/17 and I don't think he's even had a start yet.
I mean props to Marlow and his Manager for getting him a contract but why pay someone money to not play ? It makes absolutely no sense.

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Originally Posted by The Dunster

I mean props to Marlow and his Manager for getting him a contract but why pay someone money to not play ? It makes absolutely no sense.

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Obvs has the same agent as Miller as we seem to be paying that bloke not to coach.

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Originally Posted by MFKS

Now if you think Kanta is better than Poljak but Kanta is not great at any position why are you advocating we choose one of them??
Either they are a definite keeper or we move on without them. Plenty of other options out there. Why limit ourselves with these two??
FFS I would prefer Jobe or Zads than these two

As for Mullen you say if we can't find someone better then we keep him.
Well finding someone better than him on less money is highly achievable as many HAL CD's are better and on less money than him so we move him on too

As for our priority being to fix the attack. We need to fix the whole ****ing club. Not limit ourselves to 4 players

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I live in the real world where teams can't cull 15 players in one off season. Also i find it extremely unlikely that we can find not only better players, but ones on cheaper money, who are available to transfer for free (since we don't have an owner to pay for these sorts of things) and who also want to relocate their family/things to Newcastle to come play for us... Once we get over all those hurdles i'll be keen to get rid of every under performing player..

Mullen has been better than Regan/Kew/Mitchell so i say we keep him until we've addressed other problems. Jackson is a solid backup/leftback, Cowburn and 'cringe' Hoffman are good enough to get us clean sheets if we can control the ball better in the middle.

Themba is a curious case.. No one has any idea if he can play so if he can't get a run maybe we should shift him out and just promote some Local Youth players to the bench if we have an injury crisis.

I think Kanta flatters to deceive as a competent midfielder, does a lot of things that show he has potential but has more opportunities than most and still hasn't proved himself as a legitimate talent.

How about we discuss how rubbish Watson is to cheer ourselves up on a Friday afternoon and get ready for more disappointment against Shitney?

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Originally Posted by plague

Obvs has the same agent as Miller as we seem to be paying that bloke not to coach.

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Do you ever get bored of sprouting the same old crap? You're about as predictable as the punishment on the field we sit through once a week

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Originally Posted by Maito Mitch

Do you ever get bored of sprouting the same old crap? You're about as predictable as the punishment on the field we sit through once a week

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when its posts as hilarious as my last few the answer is no, I don't get bored of it.

You should try it, it's good for the soul.

Should sign Bridgey up but.

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Originally Posted by Maito Mitch

Do you ever get bored of sprouting the same old crap? You're about as predictable as the punishment on the field we sit through once a week

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10/10

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Originally Posted by parksey

10/10

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I knew you were going to say that.

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Originally Posted by parksey

10/10

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Originally Posted by plague

I knew you were going to say that.

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:lulzturtle:

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Originally Posted by plague

when its posts as hilarious as my last few the answer is no, I don't get bored of it.

You should try it, it's good for the soul.

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To keep the Jets reference going, we could say you're the Jets after 5 games, some early laughs, but everyone knows exactly what's coming now.

Do you have a plan b now that everyone's got you worked out??

Anyway, any news on Carney out? Might free up some cash to make a play for someone like Connor Pain. Not a bad swap imo

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Originally Posted by Maito Mitch

Anyway, any news on Carney out? Might free up some cash to make a play for someone like Connor Pain. Not a bad swap imo

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You don't like Carney?

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Originally Posted by Maito Mitch

Do you have a plan b now that everyone's got you worked out??

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I said nice things about the new Star Wars movie.
You prob didn't see that coming.

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Originally Posted by plague

You don't like Carney?

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I'm not his biggest fan. He's certainly not a long term option, so if we can make some money off him now, and get a younger, faster replacement, seems like a no brainer to me.

Knowing the Jets though, we'll mutually agree to terminate his contract, pay for his flights to the middle east and play Watson on the wing for the rest of the season.

Amidoingitright?

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Originally Posted by Plague

I said nice things about the new Star Wars movie.
You prob didn't see that coming.

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You're right, I didn't. Kudos etc.

Lets hope Miller's got some surprises like that up his sleeve today!

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Originally Posted by Maito Mitch

You're right, I didn't. Kudos etc.

Lets hope Miller's got some surprises like that up his sleeve today!

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What like play with 8 DM and 2 up front??

Or maybe go the full hog and play 10 DM and Birraz and park the bus properly??

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Originally Posted by Maito Mitch

Knowing the Jets though, we'll mutually agree to terminate his contract, pay for his flights to the middle east and play Watson on the wing for the rest of the season.

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Yeah see I was poised to give this posts many stars and rainbows but then y'all will come down on me as a negative nancy so I'll just be over here doing my thing.


(It's a good post though)

I feel the need to come to the defense of Kanta.
The bloke is 23 or 24 still has his best Football ahead of him and Jeterpool will provide the correct figure but over 100 caps for the Club. The Club has spent too much time and money on him to just walk away from him next season. Has he done enough to warrant a pay rise? No... Has he done anything to deserve being dropped or offered a pay cut? IMO No...
Give him another 2 year contract on the same his on now and if he thinks his worth more than good luck to him in his future endeavors.

24 years old, over 100 caps, and a local lads FFS this is someone who should be our poster boy not someone who we should just be cutting off like an infected limb.

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Originally Posted by Premy

I feel the need to come to the defense of Kanta.
The bloke is 23 or 24 still has his best Football ahead of him and Jeterpool will provide the correct figure but over 100 caps for the Club. The Club has spent too much time and money on him to just walk away from him next season. Has he done enough to warrant a pay rise? No... Has he done anything to deserve being dropped or offered a pay cut? IMO No...
Give him another 2 year contract on the same his on now and if he thinks his worth more than good luck to him in his future endeavors.

24 years old, over 100 caps, and a local lads FFS this is someone who should be our poster boy not someone who we should just be cutting off like an infected limb.

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With the new salary cap allowances available to clubs I think Kanta's contract can be moved outside the cap either as our home grown player or long service player. Someone clarify that?
Imo he should definitely be re-signed. Watson let go and also explore options releasing poljak if he doesn't bring more game in the back half of the season.

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Originally Posted by Tommyjet

With the new salary cap allowances available to clubs I think Kanta's contract can be moved outside the cap either as our home grown player or long service player. Someone clarify that?
Imo he should definitely be re-signed. Watson let go and also explore options releasing poljak if he doesn't bring more game in the back half of the season.

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Yeh thats correct! Both BK's are eligible for them. Would hoffman be eligible for the home grown player too?
Watson needs to go. My 6 yr old daughter is better than him

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Originally Posted by Tommyjet

With the new salary cap allowances available to clubs I think Kanta's contract can be moved outside the cap either as our home grown player or long service player. Someone clarify that?
Imo he should definitely be re-signed. Watson let go and also explore options releasing poljak if he doesn't bring more game in the back half of the season.

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I cant see kanta or anyone else eligible contract paid outside the cap unless the ffa find a buyer. The ffa will only pay the minimum salary cap.

I hope that Miller can turn this club around but Im concerned. The recent olyroo signing shows two things.

Firstly Miller has probably or maybe given up on this year. Otherwise why havent we ALREADY signed one or two attacking players that are needed. He said a couple of weeks ago that he wanted 2-3 players available for the first game after transfer window opened.

What has he done, signed a player where we have 4 players that can play that position. He is showing no faith in those players, 3 of which he signed. The Olyroo isnt available for 3 weeks, so he can hardly help in team in the meantime.

Secondly, Miller has shown and stated that he want Australian Under age reps to be the way forward. All good in theory, but can this club attract those players? Can we develop them?

Im a fan and i will stick solid and support the team. I will support miller, but he does worry me. I have only coached the odd under age and all age team, even I can see there is not enough attacking players or competition in the front third. Surely Miller can see the same??? Especially given his background.

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Originally Posted by MFKS

As for Mullen you say if we can't find someone better then we keep him.
Well finding someone better than him on less money is highly achievable as many HAL CD's are better and on less money than him so we move him on too

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As someone unaware of contract figures etc can you tell me:
1) how much is Mullen on.
2) who are the better defenders and how much they are on.
3) why they would come to Newcastle.

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Originally Posted by Maito Mitch

I'm not his biggest fan. He's certainly not a long term option, so if we can make some money off him now, and get a younger, faster replacement, ?

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have you any idea of the players we recruit? We will find the next biggest dud to replace Carney

So i half expected to come back here and read that it had already happened but are we going to sign Nick Fitzgerald? It just seems like exactly the sort of thing we would do. Not good enough for a team coming last but because he is only 24 we will sign him and 'give him a second chance'?