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Originally Posted by q-money
Every Jets member is given a FC St Pauli flag.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beeen
We've tried the other road. I think this would be possible but there would have to be some clear thinking about what is going to make it succeed. I'd invest in the club if I saw that the management group actually had an idea of how to run it properly, keep it financially strong, were not going to make stupid decisions straight off the bat like signing crippled players or paying coaches huge sums to get rid of them. They'd also have to show that they know how to form community and how not to alienate people.Quote:
Originally Posted by q-money
The main problem I see is that anyone who wants to be in football administration has stars in their eyes, goes on a power trip and thinks they can treat the average person like shit. Humility has to be a key ingredient in any new incarnation of the club.
I would actually invest point blank. It is the right way ahead for us. Whether the fans have 5% or 50% is initially irrelevant as the amount can be expanded in time. The reality is the clubs should be owned in some part by the fans because after all we are the ones who will never walk away
Blackmac when you say self interest was involved exactly what are you referring to??
Probably a good idea yeah.Quote:
Originally Posted by pv4
I am referring to blokes who think that because they have more coin than joe bloggs their opinion is worth more.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
I am referring to people who would want to turn this "community model" into a profit exersice.
I met with one fantastic bloke who was willing to stump the cash up initially and turn the club into a true bundesliga community model owned 50/50 fans/corporate, but the FFA put him off ever getting involved again when I last spoke to him a year ago. I met a lot of people with the $$$ in their eyes that saw it as a chance to enhance their own endevours and enteprises.
Football shouldn't be a capitalist business, it should be a socialist assest.
Don't get me wrong, I would love for this to occur. I just, I was burnt, the people I was working with were burnt. I don't entirely trust the 1884 group, some of them I have spoken to have the "well your not involved in football so you don't know what your talking about" attitude. Again though, some of them really get it.
It can be done right, however the loudest voices are those that will do it wrong.
It has to be equal, we can't promote inequality.
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Originally Posted by hausmann
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Originally Posted by pv4
Your Honour I respectfully object...:rof:
You can be his mac-jockey pico.
Is the 'fantastic bloke' that Andrew Poole fella?Quote:
Originally Posted by Blackmac79
Nowt getting any of my coin then comrade.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blackmac79
First AGM would be debating the Jets position on the Israel/Palestine conflict rather than signing a decent left back.
Thought first item on the agenda was getting the gold back, followed by Isis, Ebola then Israel/Palestine, followed by Ukriane and Russia?Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
Either way, no matter the discussion, it would all result in a vote for Sepp Blatter
WSW have already solved all the worlds issues.
1. Gold
2. Left back
3. safe standing rail seats on south hill
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FOOTBALL Federation Australia chief executive David Gallop has declared it is ‘‘hard to imagine’’ Newcastle not being part of the A-League but warned that FFA had no intention of funding the franchise if embattled owner Nathan Tinkler walked away.
‘‘It’s not in our plans to own the Jets or any other A-League team,’’ Gallop, pictured left, told the Newcastle Herald on Friday.
DAVID GALLOP
DAVID GALLOP
Tinkler announced in August he was planning to sell the Jets but, despite a delegation visiting England in September to talk with possible buyers, the club remains on the market.
The Herald reported last month that FFA was preparing to step in and assume control of the Jets if Tinkler could not continue meeting his obligations but Gallop said ‘‘we’re not at that stage with where things are at’’.
Gallop said FFA had been ‘‘in constant contact with the club and the current owner and his representatives’’ and that he understood negotiations were ongoing with ‘‘a number’’ of potential buyers.
He said FFA’s preferred scenario was for Tinkler’s management to ‘‘transition themselves out of this period relatively quickly’’ but cast doubt on the prospect of the governing body stepping in to run the Jets, even for an interim period, as the NRL did when Tinkler was ousted as Newcastle Knights owner in June.
‘‘There’s no doubt Nathan’s investment in the club has been critical and we certainly acknowledge that,’’ Gallop said.
‘‘And we’re doing what we can to assist. But similarly it’s not our place to find an owner for the club at this stage.
‘‘We don’t want to own A-League clubs, full-stop.’’
Gallop offered a partial reassurance to fans – but not an iron-clad guarantee – that the Jets would survive post-Tinkler.
‘‘With the huge participation base, the incredible passion for football and the long history of the game in the Hunter, it’s hard to imagine a scenario where Newcastle isn’t part of the national competition,’’ he said.
He described the Hunter as ‘‘one of the heartlands of football’’, as evidenced by the Jets signing 9000 members despite missing the finals four years in a row.
‘‘Whatever emerges in Newcastle, we want to see strong community engagement,’’ Gallop said.
‘‘It’s one of Newcastle’s strengths, and making sure the good co-operation between the grassroots through the member federation and the Jets continues will be part of the future in Newcastle.’’
When Tinkler was forced to relinquish the Knights, the NRL uncovered liabilities approaching $20million after it commissioned a forensic audit.
Gallop said FFA had a good insight into the Jets’ financial position but declined to reveal if the club was debt-ridden.
Asked if FFA was subsidising the Jets, or if the club had been paying its own bills, Gallop replied: ‘‘It’s not appropriate to disclose all the arrangements that are in place, other than to say we’ve got good visibility over what is going on up there.
‘‘We’re satisfied there are resources to keep the team and the club going, at the moment.’’
When asked to clarify if those ‘‘resources’’ were provided by the club, Gallop answered: ‘‘I know you’re pushing me on that, but I’m not going to say any more than that.’’
Gallop said it was not fair to compare the positions of the Knights and the Jets under Tinkler’s ownership.
‘‘This isn’t necessarily an apples for apples situation,’’ he said.
‘‘The Knights had a membership base sitting in wait should the private owner default.’’
After Tinkler’s recent appearance before the ICAC, where he was accused of attempting to bribe former Minister for the Hunter, Jodi McKay, and of making donations to illegal political slush funds, the findings will be made public in January.
Asked whether adverse findings against Tinkler would constitute bringing the game of football into disrepute, Gallop replied: ‘‘We’re certainly not going to speculate about anything to do with ICAC at this point.’’
Newcastle Permanent Add under Gypos TiFo!!!!..... Attachment 895
Sounds like a couple of the squad atm. we know who they are.Quote:
Originally Posted by hausmann
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tagz back at newy training, holy shit
probz just getting ready to go to city or something
He is getting treatment in Newy, will be back in UK in a few weeks.
ok. Gallop just arrives in this game from a**hole land and immediately says ffa wont back the Jets after it has backed most other clubs over the last 10 yrsQuote:
FOOTBALL Federation Australia chief executive David Gallop has declared it is ‘‘hard to imagine’’ Newcastle not being part of the A-League but warned that FFA had no intention of funding the franchise if embattled owner Nathan Tinkler walked away.
‘‘It’s not in our plans to own the Jets or any other A-League team,’’ Gallop, pictured left, told the Newcastle Herald on Friday.
when they were down to their last million. c**t he turned out to be.
It doesn't say they won't back us, they will.
They are saying it's not in their plans. Their plan will be to have a new owner but they won't let us fold.
Yeah, you can't really believe anything anyone says in the media about ownership. Gallop simply can't say anything about wanting to own it as long as Tinkler is still footing the bill and looking for a buyer. To do so would compromise his ability to sell.
I'd ask you to not give up hope, people get trodden all over in football all the time. It is those that can get up and keep going that succeed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blackmac79
Having said that, I don't see how the "socialist asset" model really applies. Football at its core is partly about community representation and partly about winning, survival of the fittest. It has voluntary participation, so you can't say that the rich have to subsidise the poor. Neither can you say that we each give an equal share, or there won't be enough money to fund a decent club. I think that each should be prepared to invest according to their passion and means but not as a gift to those who can't, there should be some ownership rights. That's why I'd prefer a public listing, so there were tradeable shares. I wouldn't want people to be excluded from investing because they are not in a certain elite clique, and I wouldn't want it to be purely membership based where people who can afford to invest more and want to invest more are limited to a single membership.
Hopefully this bloke lives up to the hype and we get a decent Central defender for onceQuote:
FORMER Socceroo Adrian Madaschi is confident his presence can reinforce the Newcastle Jets but insists any defensive transformation will require a team effort.
The towering central defender, capped five times by Australia, has declared himself available to make his Jets debut against Brisbane at Hunter Stadium on Friday night after missing the first five rounds with calf and thigh injuries.
In his absence, Newcastle have conceded 10 goals and are yet to register a clean sheet in their three losses and two draws.
Madaschi, 32, believes he can enhance Newcastle’s defensive structure with his experience but said it would be up to coach Phil Stubbins whether he was selected.
‘‘You’ve always got to back yourself to make an input but the important thing is the team isn’t about an individual,’’ Madaschi said.
‘‘It’s about taking on the ideas of the 14 players available and putting them together with what the coach is wanting, to make that work as best as possible.
‘‘Football is a game about who makes the least mistakes ... defending is a collective idea – 11 players defend and 11 players attack.’’
Having played abroad in Italy, Scotland and South Korea, Madaschi’s only A-League experience was a nine-game stint with Melbourne Heart in 2011-12.
He was starting to find his feet in Newcastle’s pre-season trials but has spent almost three months working his way back to full fitness.
‘‘It has been very frustrating,’’ he said.
‘‘I’ve had these little niggles in my calf and my quad, unfortunately when I was pretty much one week out from the start of the season.
‘‘That was a big setback because I really wanted to get going and give what I could to the team ... but I really hope that’s the end of it and I can make my contribution.’’
Newcastle’s results have added to his frustration but Madaschi was realistic about the slow start to the season.
‘‘We’re a new group, as Phil’s already stated,’’ he said. ‘‘There are a lot of new players, new coach, new coaching methods, new mentality.
‘‘We’re still putting pieces together and it’s going to take time.
‘‘We’re working on it. We’re aware of the mistakes we’re making and we’re trying to correct them.
‘‘As we go forward in the competition, things will keep gelling and we’ll be able to hold onto leads and see where we’ve made the mistakes in the past and definitely rectify them.’’
The 190-centimetre stopper said he was ‘‘100per cent and feeling good’’ after two weeks of full-contact training.
‘‘It’s all down to the gaffer and how he sees it, as it should be, but I am available and fit and ready to go,’’ Madaschi said.
The likely return of Madaschi, and a groin injury to Scott Neville, could prompt a backline reshuffle in which skipper Kew Jaliens switches to right back.
‘‘It depends a little bit on Scotty, how he’s getting through, but for me it doesn’t make a big difference,’’ Jaliens said.
‘‘I’ve played there [right back] many times in my career, so if this is the position I have to play on Friday, I will.’’
The inclusion of former Melbourne Victory midfielder Billy Celeski, who like Madaschi is yet to play an A-League game since joining the Jets because of injury, is the other expected change to Newcastle’s line-up.
‘‘They look ready but a game is always different from training,’’ Jaliens said of Celeski and Madaschi.
‘‘So it’s difficult to see how game-ready they are, but they look sharp and eager to play.
‘‘We’ll see what the gaffer decides.’’
What do you mean for once?Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
We've had some of the best CBs in the comp IMO.
Griff would boss CB too.
The addition of madaschi and celeski should in theory give us more options playing it out from the back as both very good on the ball but gonna need to be smarter with it when it gets forward and limit the quick turnovers more that lead to getting caught on the counter.
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Originally Posted by pv4
Its one position our club has done well at. Zelic, Okon, Dura, North, Ljubo, NTS, Jaliens all players every A-league would love to have or loved after we had them!
Remind us when we had a team who kept clean sheets??Quote:
Originally Posted by pv4
Remind us again of how long it has been since we made the semis??
Remind us again of how long it has been since we were actually serious contenders for the title??
Generally this is the type of thing achieved with good solid centre halves doing their job
I didnt realise CBs were the only ones who stopped goals....
Our team kept clean sheets in a period before Michael Bridges was signed to the club.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
We last made the semis just before Michael Bridges was handed the captains armband.
We were serious contenders before Michael Bridges was signed to the club.
Whilst I normally agree that CBs are a big part of this, I also contribute us leaking so many goals to our attacking setup and apparent refusal to retain possession. No matter how good your defence is, if your attack is turning the ball over for fun then the sustained pressure that the opposition puts on you from having the ball is going to lead to goals leaked.
Look at Josh Mitchell - I always rated him, but many didn't. I always said it was GVE's system, and the lack of options for him to play out to plus the constant possession turnover and hence unwarranted and constant pressure put on our defence from the opposition that made him look bad. We'd give the ball to Bridges/Virgili/etc and they'd just turn the ball over for fun, and we'd be on the back foot all game. And when the likes of Taggz would leave his wide attacking position (he was playing a lot more LM/RM back then) to come get the ball and offer an outlet for the CBs, GVE would scream at him that he wasn't behind the oppositions RB/LB and hence useless to his formation/vision/system/etc. Hence why Virgili was so loved by GVE - because Virgili has no issue being a missing man, in behind defences where there's slim-to-none way he's getting the ball. And then Zane took over coaching, went to 4-4-2, put Carney and Griff out wide, we actually retained the ball, and people started to absolutely rave about Josh Mitchell.
people meaning you, i have never heard anyone ever rave about josh mitchell
(i like him but that's beside the point)
Good defence comes down to four spots, 2 CB's a DM and GK.
we've struggled to have all four spots filled by good players all at once.
I've never raved about Mitchell but always thought he was a fairly excellent defender, caught out by being the wrong player in the wrong team. He was basically Topor-Stanley but local. If he had buggered off to WSW, he'd be off in the Socceroos and be an Asian Champion.Quote:
Originally Posted by q-money
Sorry m8 did I say "rave about"? I meant "rave with"Quote:
Originally Posted by q-money
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No blame on our fullbacks who are eternally out of position when our shambolic midfield when they turn it over? Obviously that's a tactical thing but I don't recall Ritter being caught as horribly out of position as Carney/Gallaway/Gallager/witches hat?Quote:
Originally Posted by GazFish35
I take offence about this claim Carney was caught out of position.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grimario
Considering he was never in position of left back other than on the pre game graphic on Fox Sports he can't be accused of actually being caught out
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Originally Posted by q-money
I'll play - I thought Mitchell was coming into his own and warranted a new deal.
hah no, im not saying you dont need goods fullbacks, that id priortise those four spots ahead of the fullbacks if i was building a squad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grimario
Full backs are interchangable.
Just clone Griff FFS
http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/artic...medium=twitterQuote:
Brisbane Roar chairman Chris Fong wants to give supporters a stake in the defending A-League champion, with a plan to sell 30 per cent of the club to fans within two years.
With a 30 per cent sale of Melbourne Victory ratified this week to existing shareholders – chairman Anthony Di Pietro and director Mario Biasin – Fong's preferred model would see fans' groups acquire a stake in Brisbane Roar.
Brisbane has won three of the past four A-league championships but has suffered a horror start to the 2014-2015 season with four straight losses.
"We need to get the fan base up a little bit over the next couple of years and then I would like to see us make 30 per cent of the club available for supporters," said Fong.
"The plan would be to reinvest that money directly back into the club and the team to help us grow and provide greater sustainability.
"As a club, we are not looking to make money – though that would be nice – but we, as owners, all want to be in a position where we can break even at some stage.
"It's about ploughing it back into the club and we are determined to try and give supporters a stake."
Under the Indonesian-based Bakrie Group, which bought the club 21 months ago, memberships have jumped from 1800 to more than 11,000.
"That's a remarkable increase," said Fong. "Back then we had a training facility [Ballymore], which was the home of rugby union and now we have just moved into our own facility in the centre of town.
"The last couple of years we have lost about $2 million a year, but that's down to around $1.5 million now.
"We have a strong commercial approach and are treating it as a business and are starting to see the rewards from that. There's a passion and there's a love there for Brisbane and what we are doing."
With a turnover in the region of $14 million, Roar’s bite into the balance sheet of the Bakrie Group conglomerate is minor.
But the multi-billion-dollar mining-to-telecoms group is not immune from the squalls of the global markets and is currently negotiating with creditors over $8 billion in debts.
Its core coal business has taken a dive with global prices plunging from a high of $195 a tonne to just $65.
"Like most A-League owners we are also under pressure," added Fong. "When coal prices drop by more than 50 per cent in five years or so there is not much spare cash to go around."
The group has also divested itself of its interests in Uruguay, where it had a football school, as well as selling off Belgium second-tier club CS Vise.
"We have been realigning our strategies to strengthen what we have with Brisbane and also in Indonesia [with Arema Cronus]," added Fong.
"We have close ties with [Indonesian billionaire] Erik Thohir [who has a 70 per cent stake in Inter Milan] and we are looking at linking things up and sharing resources and possibly players."
Those links are set to include taking a percentage of the ownership of the Nerazzurri.
Fong also declared that Roar would look offshore for its next head coach as incumbent Mike Mulvey feels the heat from its poor start.
"It’s a path we are heading down. It's going to happen one day and we'll probably do it … when that will be, in the next couple of years or not, I am not sure.
"But there is the same pool of coaches in Australia and there's a lot of talent we want to tap into in Europe and we have a lot of contacts there.
"Mike has come in and done all right in the last season and a half and led us to the premiership and championship last season – you can’t take credit away from that.
"He might still be here in five years - but eventually we'll see a coach from Europe.
"You have clubs with long-standing development programs there and the way to go for us to go is to develop young players and sell them."
Roar looking to jump in on the community ownership thing, similar to what Victory have just done.
Just say we had a stable owner, who then listed 30% of the club to the community, and say you could buy shares for $500 or more, similar to Victory. Who would and wouldn't be interested in this?