I think the majority deserve it, but at the risk of incriminating the innocent its not the go.
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I think the majority deserve it, but at the risk of incriminating the innocent its not the go.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jUXhUa...ature=youtu.be
Well this opens a can of worms.
It seems that some off the names release are minors and releasing the details of minors is a criminal offense.
I think some of you blokes may be underestimating the legal hoops and vetting process that go on in that organisation.
They've been doing these shitkhunt things for ever and very very rarely get it wrong.
I agree on most parts with that, however if it's true and Minors have been named then New Limited and Wilson do not have a leg to stand on.Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
Yup. Tapping the phones of politicians, sports people, and celebrities didn't put them [News Limited Execs] in the cooler so I doubt this will either.Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
Democracy at its best.:gent:
Don't forget dead people, they tapped them too.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Dunster
North terrace and rbb to walk out during their matches this weekend.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-11-2...rotest/6970968
http://www.theroar.com.au/2015/11/24...y-to-the-fans/
And gallop tells anybody outside sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane or perth to **** off and find another sport. It's all about the derbies baby.
Oh no, how will we all get by?Quote:
Originally Posted by belchardo
He's got a point though. Not as if they all haven't been down this road a thousand times before.Quote:
Originally Posted by belchardo
Surely tapping into the 350 odd thousand Canberrans would be better than further diluting the crowded Sydney and Melbourne fan bases from all codes.
putting it simply for the league to ever pay for itself it needs more eyeballs than bums on seats.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Postman
the best performed club in the league gets approx 50% of revenue from matchday tickets and they barely make a dollar averaging 27K crowds (major football/NFL teams are about 20-25%). The clubs need that TV money first then they can fund the smaller teams.
Cant find fault with Gallops comments, he's just being honest. And yeah its sucks but look at NRL it took them best part of 75 years to put a team outside a capital city (old people may correct me on that).
Now they can plop them anywhere because they have all that 'walking around' money from the TV.
A-Leagues been going for 10.
lol, big deal... Jets fans have walked out that often that oppo fans now sing "we can see you sneaking in"....Quote:
Originally Posted by belchardo
watched a good discussion with Rebecca Wilson last night regarding the Tele article.
She's right on way more issues than she's wrong on. The legalities of printing the list seem tight so id be shocked if anyone can challenge it.
As for the leak, it was a list provided to every stadium/club and police in every city with a team. Could have come from anywhere, it wasn't a secret.
She conceded the appeals process wasn't fair, but by screaming about the perceived 'innocents' on that list compared to the overwhelming majority of 'guilty' people on it shows that people are totally missing the point.
the point is there is a very very easy solution to all of this but the people involved won't be part of it, they continue to blame everyone else around them for their issues then sadly nothing will change.
Make no mistake, the FFA is going to win this argument.
(there was no mention of the geneva convention though).
Newcastle Rebels were one of the nine foundation clubs in 1908.
Television has killed NFL. It used to take little more than an hour to watch a game. Now it's a stop start pile of shit lasting three hours plus to satisfy the broadcasters, sponsors, and so on.
Cricket is a another prime example - limited over and 20/20 have absolutely killed the game but the revenue created by it is undenaible.
I can't comment on Football in England because I have had little if any interest in it since the EPL started.
It's all become a giant whorehouse with little if any substance.
Unfortunately, without the TV money the games pretty much dead in the water.
http://www.foxsports.com.au/football...-1227621951064
Well said Simon
and I guess that's where the debate is.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Dunster
You say these sports are 'worse' because of TV and it can also be said they are more popular which can be another way of measuring it as 'better'.
Both these things can be true.
IMHO NFL has the best business model out of all of them. They resist the change to more games that would provide easy revenue in favour of doing a better job making each game more of an event.
Of course there are still flaws but hopefully FFA doesn't look to solve all its woes by having 375 derbies every season.
Again though, preaching to the converted.Quote:
Originally Posted by lquiquer
solves nothing.
So as for referencing how many times these flogs have protests this season I am thinking Nth Terrace walk out it is 1 RBB walk out is 2Quote:
Originally Posted by belchardo
Even though they may be carrying on over the same issue for statistical purposes if the planned protests go ahead we get the tally to 2 and not 1
Oh don't get me wrong I agree somewhat with Wilson, however the morality of releasing the names of people and publicly shaming them when many on that list have not been convicted of any criminal offenses and they have no avenue of appeal over there bans.Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
Has she made an individual assessment on all of the 198 people's cases and bans to form the opinion that the majority are guilty of being "Hooligans" and "a risk to the safety of the public" or is she once again just shooting her mouth of after hearing one side of the story?
As to how she got the list.
Whoever gave it to her be it from FFA, Police or a Stadium they have breached a confidential agreement. Those who where banned were notified that there information was released to Police and Stadium Management under a confidential agreement and that there information was to only be used for security purposes.
Yeah from memory between something being 'news worthy' and 'fair use' laws regarding photos etc she seems to have her ass covered legally (I think it was noted only a court order can prevent it getting published) but that won't stop the individual facing action if it is established who leaked it. The leaker is liable not Wilson.Quote:
Originally Posted by Premy
So unless Wilson gives up her source (nope) the leak will prob go unpunished.
As for the morality of it? Hey man I'm with you but journos and morals rarely coexist, Wilson won't be the first and won't be the last.
Yeah, pretty much agree with plague on this one.
It was wrong for them to release the list, but now that it's out there are we just going to ignore what has become a real problem with the league in the past few years?
I know there are many Jets fans who don't attend Western Sydney away games for the very real fear of getting bashed. To me that just seems stupid, and I don't have any sympathy for the idiots who are now exposed for what they have created.
This is a screen from facebook of a guy who is on the list for fan violence.
http://i.imgur.com/EDndNzC.png
I witnessed with my own eyes belting into one of our own, and I'm fxxxed if I'm going protest on his behalf.
western sydney are their own worst enemy, bashing blokes who don't want any part of it out in the open, in your carparks next to the stadium and the like etc
your melbournes and sydneys (for the most part, bar a certain exception :rof: ) manage to keep their biffo generally contained to their groups that want a biff. might be worth a try for the goons of western sydney if they are so dead against getting "named and shamed" instead of trying to bash everyone and anyone, all of the time.
If only those dastardly cops would stop forcing the peace loving fans to punch on.
Bastard cops.
i'll punch you mate
Hang on let me go ring one of my copper mates so he can get me all riled with his menacing stare and utility belt.Quote:
Originally Posted by q-money
I lived in both Western Sydney and Newcastle and find this shit hilarious.
I've lost count of how many times I've seen blokes being belted for no reason in Newcastle. Or indeed of the situation where one bloke starts a fight, gets his arse kicked and then his mates come into rescue him / beat the other bloke up.
Hence, for people in Newcastle to be all high and mighty about such things is ridiculous given the pack mentality around these parts.
Whilst I agree with all these sentiments, there's blokes on that list that over celebrated a goal and celebrated with players that have now been tarnished as Hooligans.
As I said Wilson is right in some of what she says, but she has an agenda here and she's got no regard for the innocent people in her "facts" that have been caught in her agenda. Of course something needs to be done to stamp out the blight on the game that these f'wits have done, but we as football fans should be outraged when oxygen thieves like Wilson put the boot into our game yet continue to ignore the similar elements in the codes that the media they work for have a vested interest in.
I'm sick of mud being thrown at our game and our game being used as a pawn in all of this. Best way to deal with this shit is call them out on their hypocrisy to discredit anything they say.
i really don't care if someone bashes another bloke ffs, just don't bash blokes that have no interest in it, then cry about it when you get fingered by the law
do the crime, do the time
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...174607d36e.jpg
Not entirely true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Premy
She was in the thick of it during the Canterbury Bulldogs issues with both fans and players about 10 years ago.
She's actually trying to do Gallop a solid here. The sooner clubs and fans work out the quick fix the easier it will be to shut her up.
nice come back here.... http://fearofaroundball.com/the-socc...to-know-about/
She is hated just as much by NRL supporters as she is by footballQuote:
Originally Posted by plague
She shouldn't have published the list, there's too many innocents on it, too easy for people to argue with her over it.
Hand it over to an investigative journo and really throw the book at he blokes on the list who are ****wits.
I'm with Q on the WSW thing - ambush scarfers, and you can go and get ****ed.
Man, that dude should just have written "I'm not racist, I've got lots of black friends", it would have saved a bunch of time.Quote:
Originally Posted by &1gest
Rugby league fans hate Rebecca Wilson. Always have and always will.Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
Queensland Rugby league fans and players as an example have been at war with her for many many years.
She's a skank with a typewriter who likes to stir the pot.
Exactly my point.Quote:
Originally Posted by furns
It's the lack of balance that pisses you orf...take the endless NRL feel good stories on almost every night on NBN/Nine news. Obviously trying to repair the damage the game has suffered because of their thugs, but again, it happens in other sports too and is not reported at all.
Exactly, which is why people saying she's doing this to carry the water for the NRL are wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Dunster
I actually see there is two distinct issues at play here, and both sides of the argument are only looking a the one side that suits them.
The first is the privacy issue. A list created without and due process as far as appeals go, should not be published. I actually do believe the FFA should be trying to find out how this was put into the hands of Wilson. They should also be putting into place an appeals process. If they have the grounds to ban someone, it should hold up to an appeal.
But, the second issue is that there shouldn't be the need for such a huge list in the first place.
Groups like the RBB do seem to take shit with them everywhere they go, and they make up a big chunk of the banned list. The clubs should be condemning the dickheads who keep bringing flares to games or try to cause issues inside (and out) of the grounds. I'm yet to hear of anyone form the RBB, Wanderers, NT or Victory really get in and call out the dickhead element. This is what fuels people like wilson, and to an extent the game through the fans and to a lesser extent, the clubs, does stick its head in the sand when there is issues. But what do we get as a response, a walk out because of privacy issues. It really is completely missing the point on how to address people like Wilson, yet again they are just playing into her hands.
Id love, just once, to hear an active group like the RBB take look at themselves and actually admit why they have a bigger police presence than other clubs. The answer is pretty simple, and thats what Wilson has latched onto. Until the supporter groups, casual fans and clubs start actually calling out the dickhead element who light the flares and look to punch on, then Wilson and those like her will have all the ammo they need, with or without the list.
Last home game witnessed a rather large group of 15 year old Newcastle wannabe ultras who may or may not have been in the Squadron verbally abuse and push a middle aged female Mariners fan over into a parked car.
Every supporter base has a dickhead element.