All jets games to the end of the 20/21 season

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Originally Posted by Mark325

I was coming on to ask this, who in this team actually deserves to stay on cause i'm pretty well over the lot of them.

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Yuel Gus and Johnny K. Bin the rest. Oh keep Lucas as well

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Originally Posted by Mark325

I was coming on to ask this, who in this team actually deserves to stay on cause i'm pretty well over the lot of them.

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I've taken a quick glance at the other teams in the league and reckon that only Uga would get a starting gig in any other squad. That's it.

Stametelop....etc, Yuel, Thurgate, Millar, Johnny K and maybe Jackson could get bench spots around the league. Keepers seem to always have a job, so both might even get starting gigs elsewhere.

But, I'm confident that only Ugarkovic would walk into another sides starting 11 if teams were given the chance to pick is apart.

New owners/management team would probably sign like 8 or 9 new players if possible.

With WSW letting Daniel Georgievski go could we maybe pick him up

In some ways I keep thinking "how unlucky can we be?" Another own goal. Far out.

But I guess we keep conceding them because we keep getting pushed further and further back.

I think if city had wanted to they could have ripped us apart all night.

These are guys that don't even seem to have enough self-interest to put on a good showing to win their next contract. Things must be really bad inside the club.

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Originally Posted by The Hacker

With WSW letting Daniel Georgievski go could we maybe pick him up

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He probably was asked but didn't want to move to Canberra next season.

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Originally Posted by The Dunster

He probably was asked but didn't want to move to Canberra next season.

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One bloke that put everything in for us

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Originally Posted by The Hacker

With WSW letting Daniel Georgievski go could we maybe pick him up

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Another old guy.

This is now 11 games without a win. While this isn't a squad that was ever going to challenge, I accept, but I question whether Deans has the ability to get this bunch motivated to play. 2 points from a possible 33 is pathetic. It's not all on the players. They aren't blameless but it's not all on them

Previous managers have been asked for less.

When will questions be asked? He's not immune to it.

We are playing exactly how his W League sides have played in the past. Couple this with a squad of blokes who are not A League standard and a few who once were and we are one messed up club.
Not too mention some Mattiske bloke who seems to have gone MIA in recent times, Bloke has managed to find himself a good hiding spot to avoid some tough and valid questions from concerned members.

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Originally Posted by Jeterpool

This is now 11 games without a win. While this isn't a squad that was ever going to challenge, I accept, but I question whether Deans has the ability to get this bunch motivated to play. 2 points from a possible 33 is pathetic. It's not all on the players. They aren't blameless but it's not all on them

Previous managers have been asked for less.

When will questions be asked? He's not immune to it.

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My post from February, before the club signed Deans, still perfectly summarises my opinion:

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Originally Posted by pv4

My opinion is it is time Deans was given the full time job just so we can finally draw a close on that chapter. I can't see us cutting ties until we throw him in the deep end and hold him accountable for once. In his history involved in our club coaching setup I am yet to see anything of note he has actually achieved, yet somehow he still gets all this praise from somewhere. Let him go focus on his coaching courses etc, and let us aim much higher. Am absolutely happy for Deans to prove me wrong here - I'm even challenging him to.

On a side note, giving Deans the full time job now and letting him see out the next 6-18 months means we avoid having GVE back at least for that time. Then hopefully by the end of Deans' time the ownership is settled, a proper coaching staff can be hired and the rebuild can commence.

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Originally Posted by The Hacker

With WSW letting Daniel Georgievski go could we maybe pick him up

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Melbourne City signed him for the remainder of the season. I doubt we could have afforded his wages to bring him back anyway.

https://www.melbournecityfc.com.au/n...-league-season

If deans is here next year I fear crowds and memberships will be at a all time low and wont show signs of improving

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Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET

If deans is here next year I fear crowds and memberships will be at a all time low and wont show signs of improving

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Just another couple of KPI's that will heavily influence the powers that be to fold this clusterf^&k.

Like JP posted the 2 from 33 is a piss take of monumental proportions. We are getting very close to offering the league less than what a new club can from the ACT or Wollongong can contribute. Key favorable difference would be a new club brings money to the table a club like ours is a drain on the APL.

I fear with the lack of real quality added to the squad when there was an opportunity to do so and the appointment of Deans a cynic might think failure this season was by design.

Are we yet at the stage where most fans agree the club hired the wrong coach?

This has not been a very good season for the Newcastle Jets.

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Originally Posted by Couscous

Are we yet at the stage where most fans agree the club hired the wrong coach?

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Tactics is not a little white lolly. Yes.

Western United got 990 people to show up to a crappy mid week game. As long as our numbers as more team theirs we are the better option than Canberra when stacked together head to head. We are a quality market that is known to show great support to a football team in the past and will do so again in the future.

My biggest worry is if someone comes up with the money for a license in another area before a new owner can be found for us. If they have the funds before we can find an owner, there's a totally different discussion to be had rather than who's the better area for a club.

Dean's may be the wrong option if we want to be successful, but keeping costs down low enough to convince these owners to foot the bill for another season is more important than winning football matches right now. So Dean's is currently the best decision we could make.

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Originally Posted by Frodo

Western United got 990 people to show up to a crappy mid week game. As long as our numbers as more team theirs we are the better option than Canberra when stacked together head to head. We are a quality market that is known to show great support to a football team in the past and will do so again in the future.

My biggest worry is if someone comes up with the money for a license in another area before a new owner can be found for us. If they have the funds before we can find an owner, there's a totally different discussion to be had rather than who's the better area for a club.

Dean's may be the wrong option if we want to be successful, but keeping costs down low enough to convince these owners to foot the bill for another season is more important than winning football matches right now. So Dean's is currently the best decision we could make.

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But with Deans in charge the football us turgid, Fans cant be bothered to watch and turn up to games, So any future owner will look at us and see little interest from the locals so may not want to risk his investment here. It's not all Deans fault I know but he's playing a large part

The cancer has set in now, the whole team is infected

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Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET

But with Deans in charge the football us turgid, Fans cant be bothered to watch and turn up to games, So any future owner will look at us and see little interest from the locals so may not want to risk his investment here. It's not all Deans fault I know but he's playing a large part

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It's a gamble.

Dean's is the option that gives us the longest time with the current owners. But will slowly drive away casual fans. New coaches would bring in more people, but would speed up the time that the new owners are forced to sell us. Well, that's my theory anyway. The ownership group basically thinks that they can get away with terrible football for at least another year before fans stop showing up completely. And within that time they will either find new owners for the club, or new owners for the licence.

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Originally Posted by Frodo

It's a gamble.

Dean's is the option that gives us the longest time with the current owners. But will slowly drive away casual fans. New coaches would bring in more people, but would speed up the time that the new owners are forced to sell us. Well, that's my theory anyway. The ownership group basically thinks that they can get away with terrible football for at least another year before fans stop showing up completely. And within that time they will either find new owners for the club, or new owners for the licence.

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It's not just casual fans, People who have been memebers for years and go to every home game are getting sick of it. Iv'e missed a home game this season and just watched it at home on TV and ive turned off a few games after half time. Ill all the hate for it but this team just cant be shit year after year and fans just accept and turn up without it eventually taking a tole

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Originally Posted by Frodo

Western United got 990 people to show up to a crappy mid week game. As long as our numbers as more team theirs we are the better option than Canberra when stacked together head to head. We are a quality market that is known to show great support to a football team in the past and will do so again in the future.

My biggest worry is if someone comes up with the money for a license in another area before a new owner can be found for us. If they have the funds before we can find an owner, there's a totally different discussion to be had rather than who's the better area for a club.

Dean's may be the wrong option if we want to be successful, but keeping costs down low enough to convince these owners to foot the bill for another season is more important than winning football matches right now. So Dean's is currently the best decision we could make.

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Of course this region is deserving of a A League team over others but the competition is not run on sentiment.

Money talks bullshit walks and and the moment another consortium comes along with a proposal that adds funds to the game and not a drain on it such as ours we are walking a tightrope.

Is an A-league team in Newcastle viable, financially speaking? (my answer is NO)
The last 2 owners ended up losing millions (in Lee's case, despite a couple of good seasons with high membership numbers).
Local businesses haven't been paid and will never see their money.
A prospect owner will look at the last 10 years and think: "am I ready to waste a few (many?) millions in this? In Newcastle?"
There must be a reason if no one wants to touch this at the moment.

That's another thought, will local businesses trust the Jets again?

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Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET

It's not just casual fans, People who have been memebers for years and go to every home game are getting sick of it. Iv'e missed a home game this season and just watched it at home on TV and ive turned off a few games after half time. Ill all the hate for it but this team just cant be shit year after year and fans just accept and turn up without it eventually taking a tole

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This is what I’m most concerned about. Yes, we can have shit seasons, but the last 2-3 have been shit. And with no cause for hope in sight, why should fans reinvest? Coach appears to be out of his depth, players definitely are. Hell, I’d cop losses if deans would be courageous and make a change that is a roll of the dice, but bringing straight swaps on when things aren’t working, shows a stubbornness that would make Stubbins proud.

Honestly, I think this off-season will make or break the club, and I’m fearful it will break it, but I can’t support this shit any more.

The unpaid debts Martin Lee racked up has turned the Jets brand to poison.

It's a lost cause beyond repair.

I reckon it will take just 2 or 3 big name signings (player and/or coach) and the atmosphere will change around the joint.

Until then we can just feel what we feel with what's put in front of us while we hope and speculate

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Originally Posted by Jeterpool

I reckon it will take just 2 or 3 big name signings (player and/or coach) and the atmosphere will change around the joint.

Until then we can just feel what we feel with what's put in front of us while we hope and speculate

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How do we get the funds for that without Good sponsorship, Funds from an owner and good local support? Also what big name player would want to play for Deans and our current style and if we sack Deans do we have the funds to sack a coach and get a new one. Sorry for sounding negative but cant see anyway forward atm

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Originally Posted by Jeterpool

I reckon it will take just 2 or 3 big name signings (player and/or coach) and the atmosphere will change around the joint.

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They could probably start with playing the blokes we have already signed.

A bloke playing for the Roar is gonna win the Jets players player award this year.

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Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET

How do we get the funds for that without Good sponsorship, Funds from an owner and good local support? Also what big name player would want to play for Deans and our current style and if we sack Deans do we have the funds to sack a coach and get a new one. Sorry for sounding negative but cant see anyway forward atm

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I doubt the Deans issue is a sticking point. My bet hes not on a much higher rate than he was when in his old roles. Just cut him a deal for the difference and put him back in his old job. He's been around long enough to know that staying in an A league environment is a currency in itself.

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Originally Posted by Ghost of Plague

I doubt the Deans issue is a sticking point. My bet hes not on a much higher rate than he was when in his old roles. Just cut him a deal for the difference and put him back in his old job. He's been around long enough to know that staying in an A league environment is a currency in itself.

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Nah if being a head coach doesn't work he will leave the club

And go where? NPL?

Honestly is Damian Zane not worth a try in some capacity?

Some of you may have read that the Canberra bid team, backed by overseas football investors, is in advanced talks to enter the league.

Canberra is also being considered to enter the league sooner, possibly even in 2021-22, if one of the existing clubs falters.

I have heard that the Canberra bid team has talked with a coach who has strong links to both Newcastle and the ACT. If Newcastle were to lose its licence, I'd hope that most Newy fans would follow Canberra.

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Originally Posted by Couscous

Some of you may have read that the Canberra bid team, backed by overseas football investors, is in advanced talks to enter the league.

Canberra is also being considered to enter the league sooner, possibly even in 2021-22, if one of the existing clubs falters.

I have heard that the Canberra bid team has talked with a coach who has strong links to both Newcastle and the ACT. If Newcastle were to lose its licence, I'd hope that most Newy fans would follow Canberra.

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**** no, When Newcastle get kicked out and we deserve it atm I'm not following another team, ill just stick to my overseas team and watch the odd aleague big game

Goodie get too go Debacle more often.

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Originally Posted by Jeterpool

I reckon it will take just 2 or 3 big name signings (player and/or coach) and the atmosphere will change around the joint.

Until then we can just feel what we feel with what's put in front of us while we hope and speculate

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Problem is, as I see it, no decent Aussie coach or players would come near us at the moment. I feel that it would take another Carl Robinson type signing from overseas to get the change needed. I feel the longer this drags on the more our brand and attractiveness amongst the domestic market is damaged long term.

If we get a new owner, all the doom and gloom is washed away instantly. We've seen this time and time again. Once (IF?) someone walks in the door with a cheque in hand to buy the club, the media will start showing off their wealth, their plans, their new campaign to get fans back (which is nothing more than actually advertising again) and we will have our usual 8000-10000 members and similar numbers for home games almost overnight. Well, maybe after the next pay week.



The actual good news for us if we are finally sold to new owners is that we have an almost blank canvas to build a team from. Our coaching staff are on nothing wages, we don't have any highly paid players on the books next season that I can think of, we might not even have a single visa player signed for next season. The new owner would have almost the entire salary cap available to sign a first 11 and we have enough kids around to fill a bench. Then, once the membership money comes in, they can go sign a marquee or 2 and all a sudden our fans are the happiest in the league and everyone else is jealous of us.

We live in a very fickle world, unfortunately/fortunately.

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Originally Posted by Frodo

If we get a new owner, all the doom and gloom is washed away instantly. We've seen this time and time again. Once (IF?) someone walks in the door with a cheque in hand to buy the club, the media will start showing off their wealth, their plans, their new campaign to get fans back (which is nothing more than actually advertising again) and we will have our usual 8000-10000 members and similar numbers for home games almost overnight. Well, maybe after the next pay week.



The actual good news for us if we are finally sold to new owners is that we have an almost blank canvas to build a team from. Our coaching staff are on nothing wages, we don't have any highly paid players on the books next season that I can think of, we might not even have a single visa player signed for next season. The new owner would have almost the entire salary cap available to sign a first 11 and we have enough kids around to fill a bench. Then, once the membership money comes in, they can go sign a marquee or 2 and all a sudden our fans are the happiest in the league and everyone else is jealous of us.

We live in a very fickle world, unfortunately/fortunately.

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If and If.

Whats a license worth ?. The moment our current overlords injection of money to keep the club going is equal to or greater than the value of a license we are gonski.

Cous has said nothing new, Canberra have been lobbying again since mid 2020.

New Owners still need to convince the locals to come on board as sponsors and what not and theve been burned a few times before. Plus no guarantee were gonna get 8000 to 10000 members and crowds again. Not this time