2024 Premier Youth Leagues

Hot takes on the Youth Club Championship this year.

- Cookers = bottom feeders
- New Lambton Eagles = fighting Cookers for scraps
- Lakes = improvers. Will hold their own in most ages
- Magic = Hartley in but too late to stop the rot. Disappointing.
- Olympic = solid in most ages. Challengers.
- Edgy = middle of the road. Some good some not
- Valo = improvers. Growing club on the up.
- Jaffas = hot favourites. Won?t be out of the top four in any age.
- Maitland = going backwards. Middle at best.
- Weston = lower middle. Same as they ever was.
- North Coast = some good, some bad. Mainly bad.
- Mid Coast = fighting Cookers for those crumbs.

I get it that the split happens again halfway through but lets debate. I?m not wrong.

And the rest of the club championship?

Hearing a Belswans player got marched for giving the ref a mouthful.

Does anyone know how to access the club championship tables these days?

I can't seem to find them

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Originally Posted by wow2.0

does anyone know how to access the club championship tables these days?

I can't seem to find them

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I think its an excel sheet they put together when they go to do the draws, doesn't seem to be any sort of tracking happening for people to follow.

I did it myself...although the source table is a bit "iffy" (a few tier II teams haven't played a game yet)

So present standings after a whole 2 rounds (some have only played once)

Div1 standings
1-Olympic
2-Magic (pretty sure a goal needs to be added for last weekend's 14s)
3-Edgeworth
4-North Coast
5-Lakes
6-Valentine
7-Jaffas
8-Weston
9-Mid Coast
10-Maitland
11-New Lambton
12-Cooks Hill

Div2 standings
1-Charlestown
2-NIAS (no18s)
3-Kahibah
4-Rosebuds (no15s)
5-South Cardiff
6-Belswans
7-Cessnock
8-Thornton
9-Toronto
10-West Wallsend (no games listed)
11-Wallsend (only 18s, no games listed)

Has there been any sanctions placed on Admastown for not fielding a team this year in one of the grades.I am assuming that Wallsend 18s are part of NIAS.Last year it didnt really matter for Charlestown as they dropped from Div 1 into Div 2 mid year and didnt come back up.If Adamstown stays in Div 2 this year but qualify for Div 1 in 2025 will they be allowed?I read that there was nothing done unless it was 2 years in a row but didnt know if that policy continued this season.

I don't know...but not having access to results in 15s will give less opportunity to earn the number of points required to stay in tier 2 when the season split happens. (And the opportunity to rise back to tier 1 at the end of the season)

Even with the absent 16s at Charlestown last year, I feel Charlestown would still have finished in tier 2 and be in the same position this season...was a very poor and sad season to have been involved in

***Someone reached out to me last night and told me NIAS' relationship with Wallsend u18s...so will add them together when Wallsend has a game

I am happy to update my spreadsheet and share the results after each round too if people will enjoy

Wallsend don't have an u18. Been replaced with a bye.

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Wallsend don't have an u18. Been replaced with a bye.

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Explains why there are 0 matches played for them...do you know if West Wallsend has a similar problem? (They also have no results listed)

Really messes up their plans to end up with 3 tiers of 8 during the break milestone

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Originally Posted by WOW2.0

I don't know...but not having access to results in 15s will give less opportunity to earn the number of points required to stay in tier 2 when the season split happens. (And the opportunity to rise back to tier 1 at the end of the season)

Even with the absent 16s at Charlestown last year, I feel Charlestown would still have finished in tier 2 and be in the same position this season...was a very poor and sad season to have been involved in

***Someone reached out to me last night and told me NIAS' relationship with Wallsend u18s...so will add them together when Wallsend has a game

I am happy to update my spreadsheet and share the results after each round too if people will enjoy

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I think if Adamstown have 4 strong teams they will be ok and finish in the top 4 in Div 2. If they get 6-8 points every week they will be ok. Not giving every team 3 points by having a poor 15?s we I?ll help not hinder

So few games went ahead this weekend...but an updated club championship ladder for Div 1&2.
(Don't want to type out my whole spreadsheet I've got going but there is a difference in number of games played, etc)

Div1:
1: Magic
2: NCF
3: Olympic
4: Jaffas
5: Edgeworth
6: Lake Macquarie
7: Valentine
8: New Lambton
9: Cooks Hill
10: Maitland
11: Mid Coast
12: Weston

Div2:
1: NIAS
2: Charlestown
3: Kahibah
4: Belswans
5: Cessnock
6: Rosebuds
7: South Cardiff
8: West Wallsend
9: Thornton
10: Toronto
11: Singleton

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Originally Posted by WOW2.0

So few games went ahead this weekend...but an updated club championship ladder for Div 1&2.
(Don't want to type out my whole spreadsheet I've got going but there is a difference in number of games played, etc)

Div1:
1: Magic
2: NCF
3: Olympic
4: Jaffas
5: Edgeworth
6: Lake Macquarie
7: Valentine
8: New Lambton
9: Cooks Hill
10: Maitland
11: Mid Coast
12: Weston

Div2:
1: NIAS
2: Charlestown
3: Kahibah
4: Belswans
5: Cessnock
6: Rosebuds
7: South Cardiff
8: West Wallsend
9: Thornton
10: Toronto
11: Singleton

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Will be interesting in a few weeks once washouts get played. There are a few club have played all 3 and some clubs have played 1

Absolutely...so for extra context...

Div 1 clubs matches played

15 games played (all rounds)
Magic - 8W 4D 3L, GD 21, 28pts
NCF - 7W 5D 3L, GD 9, 26pts
New Lambton - 4W 1D 10L, GD -29, 13pts
Weston - 4W 0D 11L, GD -24, 12pts

10 games played
Lake Macquarie - 5W 1D 4L, GD 9, 16pts
Edgeworth - 6W 2D 2L, GD 20, 20pts
Olympic - 8W 0D 2L, GD 23, 24pts
Valentine - 4W 2D 4L, GD 2, 14pts
Cooks Hill - 0W 1D 9L, GD -29, 1pt

9 games
Jaffas - 7W 2D 0L, GD 22, 23pts

5 games (1 round)
Maitland - 0W 1D 4L, GD -11, 1pt
Mid Coast - 1W 1D 3L, GD -8, 4pts

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Originally Posted by WOW2.0

So few games went ahead this weekend...but an updated club championship ladder for Div 1&2.
(Don't want to type out my whole spreadsheet I've got going but there is a difference in number of games played, etc)

Div1:
1: Magic
2: NCF
3: Olympic
4: Jaffas
5: Edgeworth
6: Lake Macquarie
7: Valentine
8: New Lambton
9: Cooks Hill
10: Maitland
11: Mid Coast
12: Weston

Div2:
1: NIAS
2: Charlestown
3: Kahibah
4: Belswans
5: Cessnock
6: Rosebuds
7: South Cardiff
8: West Wallsend
9: Thornton
10: Toronto
11: Singleton

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I take it your kid is at Magic and you want to get those chest slaps in early? We see you bro 👀

He is, but that's not why I am doing this...

You'll probably notice it is club championship rather than just his team...

And, that I have gone to the additional effort to gather the info for the 2nd div.

And, have now added tracking of the Syd Div1 Youth league as well...I don't have any association with either

Back to point 1, I even went to the trouble to highlight the number of games played by each of the tier 1 clubs to try and contextualise the above placings 🤷

Personally...I just thought pro/rel made it interesting. When I asked people here if there was a tracking page, I was told to make my own so I started a spreadsheet...then thought the other members of this forum would find it interesting to see a weekly update as well

Is there some problem with that? Do you not want to see it?

Some of us appreciate your efforts for what they are so thank you. Especially having a kid at Charlestown looking for promotion 👍

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Originally Posted by WOW2.0

He is, but that's not why I am doing this...

You'll probably notice it is club championship rather than just his team...

And, that I have gone to the additional effort to gather the info for the 2nd div.

And, have now added tracking of the Syd Div1 Youth league as well...I don't have any association with either

Back to point 1, I even went to the trouble to highlight the number of games played by each of the tier 1 clubs to try and contextualise the above placings 🤷

Personally...I just thought pro/rel made it interesting. When I asked people here if there was a tracking page, I was told to make my own so I started a spreadsheet...then thought the other members of this forum would find it interesting to see a weekly update as well

Is there some problem with that? Do you not want to see it?

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It is outstanding what info your are bringing weekly with the table. You?re doing what Northern don?t. Much appreciated from someone following Grandkids at different clubs

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I take it your kid is at Magic and you want to get those chest slaps in early? We see you bro 👀

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There's always someone salty about nothing.

It's a PIA to work all that out, it's not like they have gone and fudged results to pull together a list, it's based on games that have been reported by northern. Probably the only thing in here that isn't someones opinion *shrug*.

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Hot takes on the Youth Club Championship this year.

- Cookers = bottom feeders
- New Lambton Eagles = fighting Cookers for scraps
- Lakes = improvers. Will hold their own in most ages
- Magic = Hartley in but too late to stop the rot. Disappointing.
- Olympic = solid in most ages. Challengers.
- Edgy = middle of the road. Some good some not
- Valo = improvers. Growing club on the up.
- Jaffas = hot favourites. Won?t be out of the top four in any age.
- Maitland = going backwards. Middle at best.
- Weston = lower middle. Same as they ever was.
- North Coast = some good, some bad. Mainly bad.
- Mid Coast = fighting Cookers for those crumbs.

I get it that the split happens again halfway through but lets debate. I?m not wrong.

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unlike this..... gossip, innuendo, opinion.....

Northern have posted the club championships points table already. On the NNSW website when you go to competitions click on PYL then instead of clicking onto fixtures scroll down a bit and there is a heading titled 2024 club championship view here. Clicking that opens up the tables in a pdf document. If you go into squadii you wont find it.

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Originally Posted by Box2Box

Northern have posted the club championships points table already. On the NNSW website when you go to competitions click on PYL then instead of clicking onto fixtures scroll down a bit and there is a heading titled 2024 club championship view here. Clicking that opens up the tables in a pdf document. If you go into squadii you wont find it.

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Did find it, (their website sucks as a user experience) I noticed mine is more up to date (23/3)...they should sub contract to my spreadsheet! :P

Link: https://www.northernnswfootball.com....r-youth-league

Tab just under the rules and regulations tab

"I'm so f***king angry I could headbutt the stupid c**t". (Talking about an official). -

This was from a lovely grandparent on the sidelines of an under 14s game right with earshot of the ref, and assistant.

The bigger coward was the duty officer (a parent) who replied " even though I've the got the vest on, I won't stop you".

What a team of clowns soiling the reputation of a really good club (the other grades all went on without any issues).

I know you all wanna blame the coach but while ever the ref support officer, parents and other officials behave like animals, it's hard to single out one person.


Now, the coach can, and should put a stop to it, because the other ages don't have these issues. But these parents feel very empowered to behave a certain way, and wherever it's coming from needs to be removed from our game, and it will.


Anyway, hope you all had a good weekend at the football.

Oh, and for those members on here who are totally not the people I've mentioned and are just lovers of the game. Feel free to discuss with me. I actually have never had any bad interactions with them, but today was out of line and they should really think about fixing it.


cheers,
plague.

Oh, and one more thing.

The overturned goal that was at the centre of it, feel free to post the VEO footage. I'll make sure it gets to whoever needs to see it.
I thought it was a good call, but you have access to it so I'd be interested if it was or not.

Cheers again.

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"I'm so f***king angry I could headbutt the stupid c**t". (Talking about an official). -

This was from a lovely grandparent on the sidelines of an under 14s game right with earshot of the ref, and assistant.

The bigger coward was the duty officer (a parent) who replied " even though I've the got the vest on, I won't stop you".

What a team of clowns soiling the reputation of a really good club (the other grades all went on without any issues).

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That?s just an absolute embarrassment. And people wonder why there aren?t enough referees.

I was in the stands and I heard both of you arguing so you’re as bad as each other. I felt embarrassed for the pair of you. Body shaming a mum is out of order so I’ll call you out. I’m nearly sure you’re the officials dad and she’s the mum of a player and she was upset over the mistakes they made am I right?. Both defending your kids honour , oh dear

The incidents that you both argued over in my opinion from a neutral both were wrong calls by the ref unfortunately. The goal should have stood and then the very dubious penalty call which had us all in the stands scratching our heads, I could even see Olympic players laughing. I did see a ref offical there so hopefully he has a word with the officials and they learn from it. After all they are young, maybe too young in my honest opinion. But that’s what it has come to with not many keen to ref these days.

You both carried on and both should be barred. You can spin a story though I’ll give you that.

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The incidents that you both argued over in my opinion from a neutral both were wrong calls by the ref unfortunately. The goal should have stood and then the very dubious penalty call which had us all in the stands scratching our heads, I could even see Olympic players laughing. I did see a ref offical there so hopefully he has a word with the officials and they learn from it. After all they are young, maybe too young in my honest opinion. But that’s what it has come to with not many keen to ref these days.

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I didn’t see the incident, and nor do I really care, but, respectfully, I’m just wondering what your assertion on the decision being wrong is based on? Have you done a LotG course?

But you’re right regarding referees potentially being too young. It’s a major problem in my opinion regarding how northern has taken over the refereeing. 10 years ago it was the best youngsters of the “junior” branches reffing on NPL/NEWFM juniors, and they could handle it. These days, if a young kid joins northern directly, they’re generally thrown onto PYL very quickly without having the experience from the junior branches that helps them to deal with that level. As an result, unfortunately, mistakes happen. If a ref makes a mistake, like a goalkeeper, it can have a major impact on the game.

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I didn’t see the incident, and nor do I really care, but, respectfully, I’m just wondering what your assertion on the decision being wrong is based on? Have you done a LotG course?

But you’re right regarding referees potentially being too young. It’s a major problem in my opinion regarding how northern has taken over the refereeing. 10 years ago it was the best youngsters of the “junior” branches reffing on NPL/NEWFM juniors, and they could handle it. These days, if a young kid joins northern directly, they’re generally thrown onto PYL very quickly without having the experience from the junior branches that helps them to deal with that level. As an result, unfortunately, mistakes happen. If a ref makes a mistake, like a goalkeeper, it can have a major impact on the game.

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Bring back the old system imo.
You join the branches. Learn to referee and deal with making decisions on the run and in somewhat low pressure atmosphere. Those that perform well and stick at it, should be given opportunities (with support) at higher ages and divisions and if they perform well, get ‘selected’ or ‘invited’ to join NNSW.

The downside is the associations lose promising referees to NNSW and probably causes more headaches assigning referees etc.

Back when I was involved, it was pretty rare to see anybody with less than 3-4 years experience getting to referee SYL/PYL. (Tbf you spent 1 year doing rooball and 6/7/8)

You almost had to referee All Age A grade (which I think needed like a level 3A qualification/certificate) to do so.

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I didn?t see the incident, and nor do I really care, but, respectfully, I?m just wondering what your assertion on the decision being wrong is based on? Have you done a LotG course?

But you?re right regarding referees potentially being too young. It?s a major problem in my opinion regarding how northern has taken over the refereeing. 10 years ago it was the best youngsters of the ?junior? branches reffing on NPL/NEWFM juniors, and they could handle it. These days, if a young kid joins northern directly, they?re generally thrown onto PYL very quickly without having the experience from the junior branches that helps them to deal with that level. As an result, unfortunately, mistakes happen. If a ref makes a mistake, like a goalkeeper, it can have a major impact on the game.

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These 2 parents also argued about the refs age and apparently plays for another team in same competition? In same age group?I don?t know if that?s true so don?t hold that against me but that was mentioned in their tiff. If true that?s not on. Surely the age below at least. Not same or older ages until adulthood. I?m sure just like players get nervous so do refs and we can?t just throw them into deep end.

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I didn?t see the incident, and nor do I really care, but, respectfully, I?m just wondering what your assertion on the decision being wrong is based on? Have you done a LotG course?

But you?re right regarding referees potentially being too young. It?s a major problem in my opinion regarding how northern has taken over the refereeing. 10 years ago it was the best youngsters of the ?junior? branches reffing on NPL/NEWFM juniors, and they could handle it. These days, if a young kid joins northern directly, they?re generally thrown onto PYL very quickly without having the experience from the junior branches that helps them to deal with that level. As an result, unfortunately, mistakes happen. If a ref makes a mistake, like a goalkeeper, it can have a major impact on the game.

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That's not actually true, they have to do a certain number of hours and be signed off by an assessor before they can ref PYL - and they don't come from community straight into JDL either, most are playing PYL or the div below - those that do play.

Anyway for those commenting on the referees and selection of, maybe sign up for a course or get your kids to and then everyone can stop complaining - watch your kid ref a game and get a better perspective and then you can also comment on their stuff ups - because they will, no one is perfect.

Just be thankful the boys get ref's the girls can't even get a full set for a game that's supposed to be a knockout tournament played to win a trophy. #complainless.

And yes there was a ref assessor / 4th there, the ref's are learning and I'm interested to see if the yellow from the 18's gets turned into a red based on the 4th officials report.

I don't know why it's the 13/14s parents that get so worked up. Someone needs to tell them they will be lucky if their kid is still playing by the time they get to 18's I know many of the kids mine was playing with didn't make it that far - stop worrying about one game and play the long game.....

Yeah that's not me mate, you must have been in a different spot to me. I didn't see parents arguing, I heard the bloke threaten to headbutt a kid and a duty officer egg him on.

I got there just before halftime (I was there for 15s). Didn't see the pen.

If the parents were carrying on, report them. If you need help come grab me I'll help you. I don't want any of that garbage in our game. That was my point.

I'm ok with people not agreeing with calls, I'm not ok with anyone being threatened with a headbutt. Surely there's not anyone on here who can argue that. That's what my post was about.

Anyway, if you heard headbutt guy, or know him or his family, have a word. He was out of line and needs to be spoken to. Clubs are going to get big sanctions if this ref crackdown gets out of hand. I don't want some salty grandad costing my kid points or sanctions. You should feel the same.

I didn't call any women fat, my second post was a bit out of line and I'll cop that.

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These 2 parents also argued about the refs age and apparently plays for another team in same competition? In same age group?I don?t know if that?s true so don?t hold that against me but that was mentioned in their tiff. If true that?s not on. Surely the age below at least. Not same or older ages until adulthood.

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My understanding is that they try not to put kids as centre ref in the age/div as they play. I don't know if this is an official rule or just a guide. Agree it should be avoided at all costs though.

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That's not actually true, they have to do a certain number of hours and be signed off by an assessor before they can ref PYL - and they don't come from community straight into JDL either, most are playing PYL or the div below - those that do play.

Anyway for those commenting on the referees and selection of, maybe sign up for a course or get your kids to and then everyone can stop complaining - watch your kid ref a game and get a better perspective and then you can also comment on their stuff ups - because they will, no one is perfect.

Just be thankful the boys get ref's the girls can't even get a full set for a game that's supposed to be a knockout tournament played to win a trophy. #complainless.

And yes there was a ref assessor / 4th there, the ref's are learning and I'm interested to see if the yellow from the 18's gets turned into a red based on the 4th officials report.

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Actually, as a former member of Northern refs, first years with Northern get put straight onto JDL at a minimum, if not PYL, it varies on their age and ability. What else can they put them on in Northern comps? That?s my point, it?s a much better apprenticeship to learn on the community grades first rather than going straight into JDL or PYL. Sure some can handle it at Northern level, but a lot can?t. Much better off to learn on low level u/12s or u/13s interdistrict than PYL. Just because you play at a level doesn?t mean you have the ability to ref up to it.

Agree with your second paragraph, the amount of people who comment on rules but have never even done a LotG course is astounding

My eldest son plays and referees in YPL.Just to add to some good points from earlier posts.When you pass the NNSW test to become a ref you need to nominate which comp you want to referee in.You choose either community or NPL,but once you choose you go into that associations pool and dont get to ref the other comps.So there is no ability to do a few community games before stepping up to NPL.Junior refs in NPL do as much JDL as they can before being assessed and moved to NPL youth.Restrictions on age and playing level mean that there are generally always a lot of 13/14 year olds available but 15/16 and up is where there is a massive drop off in numbers.This is 99% caused by kids giving it up because of abuse.Sugar coat it all you want but parents and coaches are the problem and its always parents and coaches who dont know the rules or policies and its always clubs that let the abuse happen that cause it.My son has never had any really bad interactions and the fact he has played with and against a lot of players and coaches over the years means he has good relationships with the majority of the people involved and gets a lot of respect back.He does have friends who immediately decline work when they are put on games involving parent groups and coaches who have abused them in the past.That will keep happening until they give it up for good then the cycle continues where we hope the next crop of 13/14 year olds keep it going.Im not going to comment on the specific incident mentioned a few posts back but I cannot for the life of me understand how anyone could stand around and let that happen.If it was 1 person doing that,you remove them and everything else is fine.But by doing nothing,it happens next week,then the week after,then by more people who feel they can do it too.The end result is refs not turning up and those same parents complaining that their teams dont get good refs anymore.Whatever some people think about it,referees are at work and the ground is their workplace.No one in any walk of life would take getting abused in their workplace so why they think a soccer field is any different is the problem.A parent abusing a minor at a game (the threat of a head butt would count) is a criminal offence.Its going to be a sad day when police start getting called to junior games but that is where it will end up.NNSW are in a tough spot as they must ensure a safe workplace for their employees just like everyone else.Hopefully all the parents and coaches on here do their bit so it never gets to that.

Seems to be quite a lot of missing updates in Squadi and even some incorrect scores recorded

i.e. Lakes 13s is down as a 0:0 draw, 14s lakes is showing as a 4:0 win, but I was told that wasn't the margin for either game

I'll run a championship spreadsheet when they are updated

Magic still shows a 1:0 win in round 2 for 14s, but I know that was 2:0 as I stayed to watch...someone at the club might want to get that fixed up...probably worth everyone checking how the scores have been recorded actually

Managed to muddle through the missing Div 1 results

1. NCF - 39pts
2. Lambton - 38pts
3. Magic - 35pts
4. Olympic - 31pts
5. Edgeworth - 26pts
6. Lake Macquarie - 25pts
7. Valentine - 25pts
8. Weston - 18pts
9. New Lambton - 14pts
10. Maitland - 10pts
11. Mid Coast - 6pts
12. Cooks Hill - 1pt

Only result missing is Jaffas Vs Cooks Hill in u16s (which might push Jaffas to no.1 if it has been played yet)

I'll do Div 2 later...enjoy

Div2

1. Charlestown - 44pts
2. NIAS - 31pts
3. Rosebuds - 24pts
4. Cessnock - 24pts
5. Belswans - 22pts
6. West Wallsend - 21pts
7. South Cardiff - 21pts
8. Kahibah - 21pts
9. Singleton - 9pts
10. Toronto - 7pts
11. Thornton - 5pts

Number of games played is more varied than Div1 (1 has played 8 (Singleton), another has played 20 (Cessnock) so will flatten out over time

After all the recent talk of poorly behaved supporters, I'd like to acknowledge the players and spectators at tonight's U18 Cup match @ Weston v New Lambton. I had the pleasure of refereeing, something I've not done in 20 years, a match played in a competitive spirit between 2 respectful sides. After the match, almost all of the players, coaches and supporters thanked me for my efforts.

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After all the recent talk of poorly behaved supporters, I'd like to acknowledge the players and spectators at tonight's U18 Cup match @ Weston v New Lambton. I had the pleasure of refereeing, something I've not done in 20 years, a match played in a competitive spirit between 2 respectful sides. After the match, almost all of the players, coaches and supporters thanked me for my efforts.

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As the VP at New Lambton, that is wonderful to hear, glad the lads have been paying attention to all the internal messaging we?ve been sending. Thanks for the feedback, much appreciated!