No the consensus was you go play in your local competition if you don't like driving. Your local competition is the interdistrict one. If you're not happy with that, then put up and shut upQuote:
Originally Posted by WOW2.0
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No the consensus was you go play in your local competition if you don't like driving. Your local competition is the interdistrict one. If you're not happy with that, then put up and shut upQuote:
Originally Posted by WOW2.0
Issue with the new PlayFootball program and being able to get the refs transferred to Squadi I heard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reds Forever
But I am in my local competition...as much as you don't like to acknowledge that 🤷Quote:
Originally Posted by Taffy
I'm aware...huge numbers drop off, or decide just to play their local competition
So why are we bothering to go to this huge inconvenience (for them and us) to develop young footballers there, when they generally won't continue in senior football at that same level
That kid who has that "scholarship" contract with Mariners, he moved there right?...he's not travelling from Coffs to Gosford 5 times a week...I imagine his family moved him around 2 years ago
If you're in the interdistrcit comp (your local comp) already then not sure why you're complaining. If you're in the PYL, then you're in Northern's comp which covers shock, horror, Northern NSW.Quote:
Originally Posted by WOW2.0
Nope, he played the entire season for the NCF U16s last year and moved to CCM early this year.
Huge inconvenience? Get a grip man. It is a 4 hour each way drive for you once or twice a YEAR. I spoke to a few BM parents at the games last weekend and the majority I spoke to didn't seem to mind too much. Most made a weekend of it staying overnight and doing a few things. Northern_swan made a good point earlier about the scheduling of games during big events. If this happens, I would suggest looking a bit further south around Urunga/Nambucca/Scotts Head, which are all around 25-40 mins away.
Now that NCF has established itself as a competitive team across the ages, I thought it would be preferable for them to remain rather than having more blow out scores in Div A?
I havent met many people in all my years who have a problem with going up there once a year especially when they have a few months notice to organise.I can understand both clubs feeling hard done by when asked to travel on short notice.I also suspect plenty of parents dont enjoy going all the way up there to lose and would be much happier with the travel if NC wasnt so good.I hope they continue in the program and hope NNSW help all clubs as much as possible with travel and scheduling.Quote:
Originally Posted by Izzy
I would like to add that I saw some decent referring on the weekend in youth. Although not always correct they got most of the important decisions right for both teams.
Not asking for anymore than that. BTW all were slightly older that the boys that were playing. It does work.
There were no refs for our club last weekend and none scheduled again this weekend.
Did you have to dust off the old whistle? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Hunter403
Who reffed?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hunter403
A home club official. One of the youth coaches, i believe. I applaud him for putting his hand up and he did a pretty good job, but the simple fact is that situation is far from ideal.
If we are short of referees then they need to be shared as equally as possible amongst all clubs in both divisions.
Thankfully no. Refereeing is not my gig.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thomas477
From what Ive been told there wasnt a huge influx of new referees this year and last years big group have few that are ready to step up from JDL to NPL.Theres also been a lot of chatter amongst the group about the failure of clubs to take action against players and coaches who have gone so far as to level death threats against young refs online.My lads know about it and theres no way Ill let them take appointments at the club involved if they ever get put on there.Just FYI Hunter Im pretty sure I know which club you are at and its not yours so lack of numbers should be the only reason you arent getting them.My boys have been out at your club since day 1 and never had an issue (but some night games can always get a bit rowdy!!).Hoping its not too far off a few more 2nd year refs being ready to take on NPL jobs but until then there doesnt seem to be much anyone can do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hunter403
Just an observation, but that is the probably one of the biggest differences I have noticed moving from PYLB in 2024 to NPL in Sydney this year. Heaps of refs, my son is 14s and the refs have been much older refs as well. Always 3 officials for games as they do two age groups and 3 new officials take over. I know it?s a bigger pool of refs but it?s light years ahead of NNSWF.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hunter403
Agree. Share the load. It was mentioned a while back that a clubman ref is better than a young kid thrown in before they're ready. That still applies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hunter403
You also have a population that is ten times the size of ours.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gman
Fact remains that in a smaller area like ours, we need to do a lot more to keep refs, and that starts with everyone involved in the sport not acting like twats if refs make mistakes, which they will.
As far as I’m aware, northern will not appoint junior refs by themselves on PYL without assistants, see example of old mate above, whereas in community they’re more willing to, for obvious reasons. You also can’t draw from community as those refs simply don’t want to do northern games, and those games have just as much right to refs. And unfortunately, from my experience, northern will also appoint from the top down, so if you’re in ZL3 or Div 2, you’re much less likely to see refs than ZPL or Div 1.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hunter403
Not sure what your definition of a junior ref is but the preferred option is for a referee to be minimum 1 year older than the division they are centering.Across 3 games they get 1 x centre and 2 x lines with seniority being applied to whoever does the older age groups.My lads have certainly reffed NPL games without assistants and by the time they get to 16/17 they are considered good/experienced enough to ref any age group.Again my lads have done older ages when they have been called upon in an emergency and have done games in the same division of which they play.Its not preferred by NNSW but if its that or nothing they trust the referees to do a good job.Community refs are from a different pool so they cant cross over even if they wanted to.I wish they were combined but thats a different issue and those kids have every right to get officials I agree.Word is there has already been one lengthy suspension handed out to a player for abuse this season lets hope the referee isnt one of the ones who gives up if he has to go through that more often.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thomas477
Being slightly older is a big help when reffing in youth. ive seen young lads do well in community & usually they play at that higher level.Quote:
Originally Posted by sapdad
Being 16 and reffing men doesn't mean its good. It should only happen if theyre really ready and proven at youth older.
Only a few lads that age could do a GOOD job in that adult space.
We need a culture like cricket where theres no disrespect.
Sorry I didnt make myself clear.The best 16/17 yr olds are ok to ref any youth age group.There arent any kids that age anywhere near centering seniors.They are given opportunites to run lines in ressies or do 4th official duties in seniors but I agree those ages doing mens is a bit young.It is why they have opened up ZPL opportunites for 16 and above this season.As long as they are experienced they may get lines and centres in 3rds but they would have to go through NPL youth then onto ZPL before getting any shot at centering seniors.The cricket culture is a great standard to aim for and NNSW arent messing around handing out the suspensions already so hopefully some lessons are learned and behaviors change amongst a few out there.Quote:
Originally Posted by JustMe
The best ref's will ref the best competition, development for the ref's is no different to players - Theres a pathway for them to aleague etc. They move out of JDL once they are old enough to ref the older age groups, and if they are old enough they will move out of JDL as soon as they get sign off from the assessor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hunter403
You can't centre a senior game till you are 18 and I don't think it matters how good you are. You can't do your level 3 prac for your ref course until your are 18, even if you've done the theory part.
Just think of referees in the same way you think of players and you'll understand why and how they are assigned to games.
Those threats should be taken to the police.Quote:
Originally Posted by sapdad
Northern would also be within their remit to ban those responsible via their code of conduct. Responsible governance would take the matter out of the clubs hands.
My youngest knows the referee involved.His parents have gone to the association and the police.The kid who made the threats is still playing and from what he said theres every chance the referee (who also plays NPL)will have to play against him at some stage this year.I dont know the ins and outs of it all but its pretty disgraceful if NNSW and the club are ok with all this.Quote:
Originally Posted by northern_swan
Mate, I spent 6 years with northern, doing everything above JDL/sap, I know how the seniority on the day works and how northern operates. I meant junior as in the broader term of anyone under 18 years, I.e. the ones with the orange armbands.Quote:
Originally Posted by sapdad
My point is that northern has a real dislike of appointing anyone under 18 to games by themselves, which in effect means you need 3 refs, while zone can get away with 2 for a day, given they're generally adults. Which is different to community where they might appoint 1 ref to do 12 and 13s for instance, or appoint them around their own playing schedule, ie a centre before and a line after theirs on an older age.
Northern will also generally try to fill from the top down, taking into account referee experience levels, but always ensuring that npl and nl1 seniors are filled.
Community ref pool needs to stay away from northern games as the expectation is too different, only exception would be adult refs willing to help out on zone league when community has a break. But that needs to be opt in.
Any thoughts on clubs letting go most of their players after 4 years of JDL, just to play a bunch of "selected" U12s in their U13 PYL?
Nothing out of the ordinary in this day and age.Whether right or wrong the best thing the kids who got cut can do is trial wherever they can and do their best.If a kid has done the right things through JDL they will always have a spot in NPL youth somewhere.It might be an ego hit to the kids and parents that their kid got cut but its jut one of lifes lessons.Quote:
Originally Posted by mic22
I wouldnt be shocked if New Lambton stay in the top 8 for the 2nd half of the year.
Out of a team of 12 you might have to let got 2 or 3 who just don't make the cut. So a club that has two teams should whittle down to about 18, take off a couple that go to Jets and you have 16 maybe 15 players who should be good enough. If you have to then drop half of them and look for players elsewhere, then the club should be looking at their JDL program and getting in better TDs and coaches.Quote:
Originally Posted by mic22
Though parents should take note of this, if a club is happy to drop most of their players because they think someone better is coming along, then 1) the club can't be that good at developing players and 2) don't expect to be at the club long because it is clear they will happily drop you.
Go do a Lakes? Their youth go really well while their 1st grade gets relegated.Quote:
Originally Posted by sapdad
Wise words.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taffy
It's true, but they also have 3 tiers of PYL with many many more teams than our comp 16 teams each, a full girls line up too, etc...so they also have a higher demandQuote:
Originally Posted by Thomas477
Rather then looking at our shortcomings and deciding it's because we're small...maybe there's something we could learn from them and the way they do things
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Originally Posted by sapdad
I fully agree with both of youQuote:
Originally Posted by Taffy
What I question is the strategy of making wild cuts to a group of kids, after developing them for 4 years, and just before they get a chance of showing what they are capable of on the full field.
I think playing 9 a side on a half sized pitch, or full size 11 a side are almost 2 different games, and it's very short sighted to let players go based on their performance on the 9 a side game (especially when such players performed very well throughout the whole JDL experience). Btw, I'm not talking about my son. I was shocked to learn the names of players that didn't make the cut at our former club. Then I saw the names of some U12s "promoted" to play up in PYL this year... and it made me even happier not to be at that club anymore. They developed players well, but something else was definitely off.
Everyone is temporary in the NPL space. Players who arent getting what they want leave, some that are connected get a shirt despite ability, clubs will take the newest best player and drop another.Quote:
Originally Posted by sapdad
Like at work, make yourself indispensable. But most importantly be in a team that you enjoy.
That part is called politics & opinions. Every club has it.Quote:
Originally Posted by mic22
In regards to the JDL comments. Personally I feel that there needs to be a rule that clubs must follow stating that you must make your PYL sides up from a percentage of your JDL system for the 13?s. Or what is point of having JDL.
We were fortunate when majority left for what they consider greener pastures. Our 13?s this year are an extremely talented bunch of players. They keep growing as players and a team. Yes it takes time to gel but when players want something like this bunch that?s when the magic happens.
This has been the case for a few years with a certain club poaching players from the club I am at going from JDL into youth .
Fortunately we have quality coaches and new players coming in to the club that want to play football and play for the club. For this I am grateful and excited for the year ahead watching them succeed.
All this has done is made a mockery of the new JDL leveled system.
I guess for clubs developing "their own" yes. But for developing more & better players sooner it has somewhat helped. The high fees are still a sham for mine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grubby-081
It should be easy...but I know last weekend our club tried to move the game to the opponents ground on the following day, but this was squashed due to lack of referee availability, apparently.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oldy
Interesting I googled this wet bulb thing, apparently it has known flaws and is not overly accurate (a system that was developed for military training in the US in the 1950s)
Publication with the flaws noted
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17765661/
I'm new to Squadi: I can only speak for the U13, but some games are not updated even after weeks, some results are inaccurate, most team rosters and goal scorers are missing.
Is it normal for this platform?
Is there any way to contribute and try to make it better?
I don't know if it can ever be a rule: it should just be common sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grubby-081
But I guess some TDs want to feel like they're in the EPL... or maybe they just want to see "some" kids playing one year up ;)
Common sense should prevail regardlessQuote:
Originally Posted by WOW2.0