Andrew Hoole depreciation thread

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Originally Posted by The Dunster

The question is how much are we willing to pay for him ? The fact the club saved his career by giving him another chance would be long forgotten by his manager. So it wouldn't surprise me if they weren't looking for some ridiculous amount or terms. I think the offer is going to have to be somewhere between 200k and 300k per season - and if a Chinese team shows any interest he's pretty much gone - as would be his career development.
If the club can push the FFA for some kind of concession as he's a local kid who played in NYL then at least it won't hit the cap too hard.

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There is no concession available because of his stint at SFC and his age.

Hoole is worth the cash imo. The improvement he has shown over the season is phenomenal. Always had the ability but his consistency now is a lot better.

One thing I have noticed, even in the games where he was honking in the first half, the guy is a beast in the last 20mins of a game. Probably the fittest player in the squad and he takes advantage of tired oppposition better than anyone.

Offer him big money over 2-3 years and we will get it back in 12 months when an offer comes in.

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Originally Posted by borat

There is no concession available because of his stint at SFC and his age.

Hoole is worth the cash imo. The improvement he has shown over the season is phenomenal. Always had the ability but his consistency now is a lot better.

One thing I have noticed, even in the games where he was honking in the first half, the guy is a beast in the last 20mins of a game. Probably the fittest player in the squad and he takes advantage of tired oppposition better than anyone.

Offer him big money over 2-3 years and we will get it back in 12 months when an offer comes in.

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Or he gets complacent and becomes the Hoole we saw during his Sydney stint and his first 10 or so games this year

I don't think complacency will be an issue. He's one of the hardest working players in the competition.
In fact getting him on more coin might actually take pressure off him a little and make him an even better player. We won't know until the club rolls the dice.
I'd have no issues in signing him for 3 years at 250k per season - but I think his manager will want a bit more.

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Originally Posted by The Dunster

I don't think complacency will be an issue. He's one of the hardest working players in the competition.
In fact getting him on more coin might actually take pressure off him a little and make him an even better player. We won't know until the club rolls the dice.
I'd have no issues in signing him for 3 years at 250k per season - but I think his manager will want a bit more.

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250k? he's not even close to a level to warrant 200k a season

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Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET

Or he gets complacent and becomes the Hoole we saw during his Sydney stint and his first 10 or so games this year

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I would argue he wasn't complacent at all in the first 10 games. No one becomes magically a better player over night, they just execute better.

He is obviously being instructed to take chances and try to beat the opposition. The only thing that has changed imo is he has become better and more consistent in his decision making. As in when to take someone on, when to cut back, when to cross. And that comes from game time, something he wasn't getting in SFC.

We are getting the return of a Rojas or a Holosko out of a bargain price in Hoole and Nabbout. There is no reason to believe Hoole would progress backwards.

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Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET

250k? he's not even close to a level to warrant 200k a season

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Look at who the opposition play in those wide attacking positions. Rojas, Tommy Oar, Holosko, Castro. Hoole is performing comparably against all of them and scoring goals.

Pay him what he is worth and we earn it back in transfer fee in 12 months. I would think 200k is about right.

Too many Hoole haters not willing to admit they were wrong.

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Originally Posted by borat

I would argue he wasn't complacent at all in the first 10 games. No one becomes magically a better player over night, they just execute better.

He is obviously being instructed to take chances and try to beat the opposition. The only thing that has changed imo is he has become better and more consistent in his decision making. As in when to take someone on, when to cut back, when to cross. And that comes from game time, something he wasn't getting in SFC.

We are getting the return of a Rojas or a Holosko out of a bargain price in Hoole and Nabbout. There is no reason to believe Hoole would progress backwards.

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He has definitely had an attitude problem (thinking he was better than he was.) Im good friends with some people who went to school with him and Virgil and Hoole was always very arrogant and up himself apparently. But Im delighted he is performing amazing atm

How was the schoolboy Virgil, by comparison?

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Originally Posted by Couscous

How was the schoolboy Virgil, by comparison?

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Apparently very quick and good with the ball. Ill have to ask about whether he had the same arrogance Hoole had

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Originally Posted by borat

Look at who the opposition play in those wide attacking positions. Rojas, Tommy Oar, Holosko, Castro. Hoole is performing comparably against all of them and scoring goals.

Pay him what he is worth and we earn it back in transfer fee in 12 months. I would think 200k is about right.

Too many Hoole haters not willing to admit they were wrong.

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200k for what? a quarter of a season of brilliance. If were paying 200k to Hoole its after two seasons of him playing like this

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Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET

200k for what? a quarter of a season of brilliance. If were paying 200k to Hoole its after two seasons of him playing like this

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Haha, so easily worked up Stanny.

I dislike Hoole more than most people. I get cranky when he scores cause it means i don't get to say something about his stupid face being stupid. However he has easily been one of our best this season, is the fittest player in our squad, has made decent defenders look like chumps and has given us the same return as other wingers who are on $400k a season easily.

So, $200k is nothing. Give him 2 years with an option to extend to 3.

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Originally Posted by Frodo

Haha, so easily worked up Stanny.

I dislike Hoole more than most people. I get cranky when he scores cause it means i don't get to say something about his stupid face being stupid. However he has easily been one of our best this season, is the fittest player in our squad, has made decent defenders look like chumps and has given us the same return as other wingers who are on $400k a season easily.

So, $200k is nothing. Give him 2 years with an option to extend to 3.

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I see all your points just feel his getting rewarded way too early. If he plays like this for the rest of the season every week and gets 3-4 more goals ill concede my point and accept him on big money

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Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET

I see all your points just feel his getting rewarded way too early. If he plays like this for the rest of the season every week and gets 3-4 more goals ill concede my point and accept him on big money

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If he scores ten goals for the season you might be paying $300k per season for him. The reality of it all is he's better than a lot of people expected him to be and deserves to be rewarded.
The fact that people who knew him at school thought he was arrogant or whatever means nothing to me. Odds are they themselves have Facebook accounts and therefore no credibility anyway.

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Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET

I see all your points just feel his getting rewarded way too early. If he plays like this for the rest of the season every week and gets 3-4 more goals ill concede my point and accept him on big money

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At which point Melbourne City come in and offer better terms.

Contracts aren't rewards for what has happened in the past. They reflect market value and the return we think we will get in the future.

Hoole is clearly hell bent on going overseas, and imo is on a upward trajectory in form considering his age and experience. If 200k get him over the line right now then we should do it and sell him in a year.

I've never been a fan but will happily agree that his performance has improved greatly this season. He still makes some honking errors but there are less of them and his effort is far more consistent - no more disappearing for long periods.

On performance he and The Queen are both worth a pay rise.

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Originally Posted by borat

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At which point Melbourne City come in and offer better terms.

Contracts aren't rewards for what has happened in the past. They reflect market value and the return we think we will get in the future.

Hoole is clearly hell bent on going overseas, and imo is on a upward trajectory in form considering his age and experience. If 200k get him over the line right now then we should do it and sell him in a year.

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Jonesy thinks he has some way to go before Europe. I think two more solid years in the Aleague and Hoole will be ready for Europe. Personally dont think he is suited to England. Unless he bulks up and stops falling over in the challenge. He would do well in Holland and Belgium i reckon

He's stronger than people think, the leg and core strength required to hold up the ball with a player in his back and be able to be in a controlled enough state to change directions quickly and maintain ball control is pretty high.

As for "not suited for England" that tag is such rubbish. Maybe 20 years ago when straight legged slide tackles were applauded instead of red carded. I don't think he's that dissimilar to Hazard (besides skill level obviously) from your own team. Look elsewhere across top teams and you have Silva, Ozil, Mata etc. None of these guys are big at all yet have done just fine in the English game. One thing that Hoole does have which is a valued attribute in the English game is pace - although I'm not sure if he's quick enough to cause top level players as many issues as he does with A-league ones.

Back to the main point. We should definitely be looking to get a new contract penned. Unfortunately our loyalty to him when he came back from SFC with his tail between his legs won't mean a great deal, but I still think he would rather stay here than go elsewhere in Aus if the offer is decent. He's had a good season and no doubt would be enjoying his football at the moment. If he continues to improve over the next couple of years he will definitely be good enough for a move overseas, we want him on our books until and when that happens. We don't want to wait to see how the rest of the season unfolds, lowball him and end up getting him stolen away.

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Originally Posted by Macca

He's stronger than people think, the leg and core strength required to hold up the ball with a player in his back and be able to be in a controlled enough state to change directions quickly and maintain ball control is pretty high.

As for "not suited for England" that tag is such rubbish. Maybe 20 years ago when straight legged slide tackles were applauded instead of red carded. I don't think he's that dissimilar to Hazard (besides skill level obviously) from your own team. Look elsewhere across top teams and you have Silva, Ozil, Mata etc. None of these guys are big at all yet have done just fine in the English game. One thing that Hoole does have which is a valued attribute in the English game is pace - although I'm not sure if he's quick enough to cause top level players as many issues as he does with A-league ones.

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He falls over almost every 1v1 challenge. Needs to stay on his feet and fight more to keep the ball. He is great on the run and weaving in and around players but when they jostle him he falls over.

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Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET

He falls over almost every 1v1 challenge. Needs to stay on his feet and fight more to keep the ball. He is great on the run and weaving in and around players but when they jostle him he falls over.

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Some of the highest paid players in the world can't stay on their feet.

I couldn't care less if he makes it in Europe so long as wherever he goes we get some sort of remuneration/transfer fee for him leaving and up until that point he wins us the Asian Champions League... And he buys us all free beers at the pub one time.

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Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET

He falls over almost every 1v1 challenge. Needs to stay on his feet and fight more to keep the ball. He is great on the run and weaving in and around players but when they jostle him he falls over.

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The same could be said of Jürgen Klinsmann - his career went ok.

"I know a guy who knows a guy who knows a guy and he said that guy wasn't very pleasant at school so let's not pay that man his money".

Football fans man.
The hell is wrong with you people?

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Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET

He falls over almost every 1v1 challenge. Needs to stay on his feet and fight more to keep the ball. He is great on the run and weaving in and around players but when they jostle him he falls over.

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Totally disagree. He draws us SO many fouls it's not funny. Be that in a defensive relief or to create an attacking set piece.

Please remember, we are in the Andrew Hoole APPRECIATION thread. May need to start an Andrew Hoole DEATH BY STONING thread.

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Originally Posted by Jeterpool

Totally disagree. He draws us SO many fouls it's not funny. Be that in a defensive relief or to create an attacking set piece.

Please remember, we are in the Andrew Hoole APPRECIATION thread. May need to start an Andrew Hoole DEATH BY STONING thread.

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Nah, just a 'What grinds Stanny's gears' thread.


i'll give you a hint. It's everything other than Chelsea winning. Lol.

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Originally Posted by Frodo

Nah, just a 'What grinds Stanny's gears' thread.


i'll give you a hint. It's everything other than Chelsea winning. Lol.

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Even then... :rof:

What about a "Hooley, Undisputed Number 7" thread?

I've given Hooley plenty of praise lately cause he has been superb. He still goes down way to easily sometimes when the ball is their to be won. This is my view from attending games and if other people disagree or see something different then that's what opinions are for.


Also dont be Jealous of Chelsea cause where a well run club that is going to win the league again. :yay:

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Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET

I've given Hooley plenty of praise lately cause he has been superb. He still goes down way to easily sometimes when the ball is their to be won. This is my view from attending games and if other people disagree or see something different then that's what opinions are for.


Also dont be Jealous of Chelsea cause where a well run club that is going to win the league again. :yay:

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All stirring, mate.

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Originally Posted by Jeterpool

All stirring, mate.

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Yeah I Know All g

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Originally Posted by The Dunster

I don't think complacency will be an issue. He's one of the hardest working players in the competition.
In fact getting him on more coin might actually take pressure off him a little and make him an even better player. We won't know until the club rolls the dice.
I'd have no issues in signing him for 3 years at 250k per season - but I think his manager will want a bit more.

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I agree as far as looking to re-sign him.

But I have to bring your attention to the complacency. Watch him off the ball, particularly defensively. One of the most lazy players when he isn't near the ball. Quite literally walks around with his head down.

And it's not limited to defence. Does the same thing in transition to attack.

Go back and watch Nordstrand's winner against Adelaide. If Hoole had continued with his run, any deflection was a tap in for him at the back stick. He stopped dead as soon as Nobby got the ball

Hooley has more fight in him than anyone I've met in my life and in football.

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Originally Posted by WolfMan

I agree as far as looking to re-sign him.

But I have to bring your attention to the complacency. Watch him off the ball, particularly defensively. One of the most lazy players when he isn't near the ball. Quite literally walks around with his head down.

And it's not limited to defence. Does the same thing in transition to attack.

Go back and watch Nordstrand's winner against Adelaide. If Hoole had continued with his run, any deflection was a tap in for him at the back stick. He stopped dead as soon as Nobby got the ball

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I totally agree with you Wolfman. I always seem to catch him tawdling back even if Mullen or Hoffman has made an overlapping run.

Honestly, i have had so many people tell me how good he is defensively that i've come to the conclusion that maybe my disdain for him is making me miss when he does actually track back. He must do it sometimes but we must be missing it.

Or he is a lazy bugger who still gets huffy when things don't go his way. That said, at least this is something that he can improve on. He has the fitness to do it, juts needs to change the mindset.

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Originally Posted by Frodo

I totally agree with you Wolfman. I always seem to catch him tawdling back even if Mullen or Hoffman has made an overlapping run.

Honestly, i have had so many people tell me how good he is defensively that i've come to the conclusion that maybe my disdain for him is making me miss when he does actually track back. He must do it sometimes but we must be missing it.

Or he is a lazy bugger who still gets huffy when things don't go his way. That said, at least this is something that he can improve on. He has the fitness to do it, juts needs to change the mindset.

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Lately he has defended soo much better but still too lazy when tracking back. On monday night a couple of times players were close enough to press or go in and challenge and he was jogging or walking

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Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET

Lately he has defended soo much better but still too lazy when tracking back. On monday night a couple of times players were close enough to press or go in and challenge and he was jogging or walking

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Robben, Ibrahimovic, Toure, C. Ronaldo, Van Der Vaart, Berbatov, Riquelme, Balotelli, Messi, Lineaker, Van Nistleroy, Bendtner, Drenthe, Nani......and so on.
All lazy as **** but in many cases they saved that energy so they could attack more effectively.
Hence, if Hoole ran down every man for a full 90mins he wouldn't have enough left in the tank when it came time to counter.
It's not Pro Evo or FIFA 17 here - it's real people and they need to ration their energy reserves effectively.

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Originally Posted by The Dunster

Robben, Ibrahimovic, Toure, C. Ronaldo, Van Der Vaart, Berbatov, Riquelme, Balotelli, Messi, Lineaker, Van Nistleroy, Bendtner, Drenthe, Nani......and so on.
All lazy as **** but in many cases they saved that energy so they could attack more effectively.
Hence, if Hoole ran down every man for a full 90mins he wouldn't have enough left in the tank when it came time to counter.
It's not Pro Evo or FIFA 17 here - it's real people and they need to ration their energy reserves effectively.

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And I could get behind this theory, if it wasn't for that same complacency shown in attacking situations as well.

I rate the kid, and as mentioned before, it's something that can change.

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Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET

Lately he has defended soo much better but still too lazy when tracking back. On monday night a couple of times players were close enough to press or go in and challenge and he was jogging or walking

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I think stanny wants payback from someone who took his position back in high school,
Mate stop talking your crap and go back into talking to yourself in the 1 member Chelsea thread.
How the **** can you bag one of a best players in a club that we all support, fans like you need to **** off.
By the way John terry was the slowest piece of shit to play the premier league

Oh man I'm enjoying all these examples of A-League players who go hard up and down the pitch for the full 90.

I mean, you guys are really showing how lazy Hoole is with your individual anecdotes.

He should run laps st halftime, GOOD PLAYERS DONT NEED A SIT AND A DRINK !!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by plague

Oh man I'm enjoying all these examples of A-League players who go hard up and down the pitch for the full 90.

I mean, you guys are really showing how lazy Hoole is with your individual anecdotes.

He should run laps st halftime, GOOD PLAYERS DONT NEED A SIT AND A DRINK !!!!!!!

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You know us Jets fans - we love a player with good engines more than anything else.

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Originally Posted by cobra23

I think stanny wants payback from someone who took his position back in high school,
Mate stop talking your crap and go back into talking to yourself in the 1 member Chelsea thread.
How the **** can you bag one of a best players in a club that we all support, fans like you need to **** off.
By the way John terry was the slowest piece of shit to play the premier league

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Ive been praising Hoole alot lately but he's not God just like everyone else in the squad he has things to work on. If he didnt he'd be overseas already.
As for John Terry he read the game better than any CB i have ever seen and had amazing anticipation hence why he never needed pace. Watch Hoole off the ball next game and youll see what im talking about. Im all for saving energy for attacking but if the Player is right next to you at least go and challenge for the ball.

If Europe knew anything about football Griff would have been playing in the EPL. Drogba and Anelka knew how good he was and had to leave Europe and head to China just to play alongside him.
John Terry would never have handled Griffs skill or pace - and probably led the campaign to keep Griffo out of the EPL.
Seems obvious similar tactics are being used to keep Hoole out of Europe as well.

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Originally Posted by The Dunster

If Europe knew anything about football Griff would have been playing in the EPL. Drogba and Anelka knew how good he was and had to leave Europe and head to China just to play alongside him.
John Terry would never have handled Griffs skill or pace - and probably led the campaign to keep Griffo out of the EPL.
Seems obvious similar tactics are being used to keep Hoole out of Europe as well.

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The EPL was never a good enough league to deserve Griffs skill.
If the EPLwas so good then your Messi's, Ronaldo's etc would have played there instead of Spain.