Miller - He's Out (pg 25)

Ill give miller credit for the way he treats the fans and has reconnected the club and players with the community but that's it.

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Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET

Ill give miller credit for the way he treats the fans and has reconnected the club and players with the community but that's it.

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Really???.... From best post to worst post ...

He makes the players applaud the fans after games and has helped the jets establish good community outings.

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Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET

He makes the players applaud the fans after games and has helped the jets establish good community outings.

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In 10 years I've never felt so disconnected

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Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET

New to the forum and ive seen alot of interesting comments regarding Miller. Unfortunately ive lost faith in Miller and JPM and ill tell you why. We have a Head Coach who was a fitness and assistant coach for almost a decade (not sure exactly how long he was at fullham) in England and an assistant coach who last season coached a team to a grand final win yet these two coaches can't come up with any better tactic than sit deep, don't commit man forward and hope for the best.

This head coach also plays people out of position, refuses to give youth a chance over certain first team players who have been beyond rubbish this season Watson Trifunovic Alidovic etc yet still play every game and ALMOST always makes defensive substitutions when we are trying to win a game or the game is in the balance and we need a spark. Also this so called defensive stability he has brought to the team is rubbish. We don't apply pressure to the ball carrier concede shots galore and rely on Birraz and BK to fingers crossed save everything or lets face it we lose 4-0 every week. Also if were going to play so defensive we need all 11 players working their buts off to defend and contain the opposition so by playing Carney and Trifunovic who are some of the laziest players I have ever seen were always 2 man down we when lose the ball.

My last point will be that Miller singed Trifunovic and Leonardo so as if he didn't know leonardo had a chronic knee problem and Trifunovic wasn't a lone striker type of player. Ill finish with we play in a league where there is no relegation so there is nothing to lose by setting up the team to have a dig push forward and maybe nick a goal or even TRY DIFFERENT TACTICS FOR ONCE.

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love at first sight

Welcome - great post.

Only thing Ill say is the injury to Haliti might have forced the whole sole striker thing. No excuse though as we have other options for that role beside Trifunovic - they are just being ignored

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Originally Posted by plague

Did anyone see the Leicester v City game this morning?
Did anyone see what happened around the 60min mark?
Did anyone see Ranieri, and his £17m squad against a £309m squad comfortably holding a 0-0 draw?
Did anyone see at the 60min mark, knowing a point would take him equal top of the EPL, Ranieri decide he didn't want a draw, so he subs on a 2nd striker and tries to win the damn game.
So while a bunch of you would have cried into your weet-bix about squad sizes and money, a coach showed some balls and went out there to win the game regardless of what others thought of his squad.

Ranieri just clowned all of you defending Miller and his cowardly tactics.
Accept it, the bloke demands way more courage from his players than he's ever willing to supply himself.

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I love this and its one of the things that i have critizised miller for. A good coach with good tactics can make any squad decent and competitive

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Originally Posted by MFKS

Facts are you aint improving as a coach
Facts are the team are not improving as a group
Facts are the players Birraz aside are showing no signs of improving as players

Facts are 8 games at home ONLY 4 goals scored

Facts are your failing

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Away to Adelaide he quoted the stats and said we had 60% possession away from home so we did ok. He did this to hide the face we didnt shoot once or get out of our half. So Mr Miller YOU DO FOCUS ON STATS jesus our coach spouts soo much BS. Its like The Special One without the coaching ability to back it up. He also mentions the pass completion and possession every week but its easy to pass between centrebacks every week

Sign him up to a 5 yr contract.

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Originally Posted by rhysd

Sign him up to a 5 yr contract.

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along with watson and leonardo

'sup boys?

i do enjoy that for a bloke who has worked ever so hard to get our defence in order has quite the terrible time defending a 1-0 lead.........
or a 1-1 draw.
or a 2-1 deficit.
or a 3-1 deficit.
or a 4-1 deficit.
or a 5-1 deficit.
or a 6-1 deficit.



Give him credit though there was no way that 7th goal was getting through his WALL OF AWESOME DEFENSIVENESS!!!!

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Originally Posted by plague

i do enjoy that for a bloke who has worked ever so hard to get our defence in order has quite the terrible time defending a 1-0 lead.........
or a 1-1 draw.
or a 2-1 deficit.
or a 3-1 deficit.
or a 4-1 deficit.
or a 5-1 deficit.
or a 6-1 deficit.



Give him credit though there was no way that 7th goal was getting through his WALL OF AWESOME DEFENSIVENESS!!!!

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I love you Plague

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Originally Posted by lquiquer

I love you Plague

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me too.

one step forward, six steps back

Tried to chase the game after going down to 10 by keeping 2 up front and getting some more pace in midfield with Cowburn. It obviously went horribly wrong but I thought you all wanted us to go and attack?

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Originally Posted by idontwannaplaywithhowey

Tried to chase the game after going down to 10 by keeping 2 up front and getting some more pace in midfield with Cowburn. It obviously went horribly wrong but I thought you all wanted us to go and attack?

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I ain't gonna be critical of him for one thing yesterday.

Yesterday we were trying to attack. Can't fault that.

Can't fault it at all.

Even when down 4-1 5-1 6-1 etc we were trying to score. Can not fault that at all.
A positive to come out of yesterday for certain

Their application without the ball though was a disgrace.

Says something that we have got 3 reds and a shit load of yellows this season and we aren't even a dirty side. We barely make a tackle FFS

Just a stupid side who give away dumb free kicks repeatedly.

Where is the discipline and commitment??

Millertime though has a lot to answer for what happened between 15 mins and 45 mins
The last 45mins and the score blowing out to 6-1 is not the issue

Where Miller failed yesterday was his inability to stop a side as shit as Perth are and were playing in the first 15mins and who was on the back foot from turning it around and ****ing us up the arse constantly for the last 30 mins of the half

There were plenty of easily spotable issues that were not dealt with on the run.

That is what cost us the game.

The second half debacle was just more evidence of why our senior players are shit and need to go
Mullen Carney Milos Poljak etc
Where the **** was the leadership from any of them???

To give one bloke credit yesterday have to take hats off to the Hoff. Busted his arse

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Originally Posted by MFKS

I ain't gonna be critical of him for one thing yesterday.

Yesterday we were trying to attack. Can't fault that.

Can't fault it at all.

Even when down 4-1 5-1 6-1 etc we were trying to score. Can not fault that at all.
A positive to come out of yesterday for certain

Their application without the ball though was a disgrace.

Says something that we have got 3 reds and a shit load of yellows this season and we aren't even a dirty side. We barely make a tackle FFS

Just a stupid side who give away dumb free kicks repeatedly.

Where is the discipline and commitment??

Millertime though has a lot to answer for what happened between 15 mins and 45 mins
The last 45mins and the score blowing out to 6-1 is not the issue

Where Miller failed yesterday was his inability to stop a side as shit as Perth are and were playing in the first 15mins and who was on the back foot from turning it around and ****ing us up the arse constantly for the last 30 mins of the half

There were plenty of easily spotable issues that were not dealt with on the run.

That is what cost us the game.

The second half debacle was just more evidence of why our senior players are shit and need to go
Mullen Carney Milos Poljak etc
Where the **** was the leadership from any of them???

To give one bloke credit yesterday have to take hats off to the Hoff. Busted his arse

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Miller was probably as perplexed as the rest of us as to the turnaround after 15 minutes. Out of curiosity, did anyone notice Perth change anything at that point to counter what was happening? Or did our players simply stop playing and stop giving a ****. Even Birraz didn't seem concerned when the ball was flying past him - although my mate later told me that he almost broke his foot kicking the goalpost when #6 went in. I'd left by that point.

I'll just put this here

Jets Coaching Summary

Coach	Matches	Goals For	Goals Conceded	1st Half For	1st Half Conceded	YC	Second Yellow	Straight Red	RC	Win	Draw	Loss	WIN %	DRAW %	LOSS %	Average Goals For	Avg Goals Conceded	Average YC
Scott Miller	16	13	25	4	8	35	3	0	3	4	4	8	25%	25%	50%	0.81	1.56	2.19
Phil Stubbins	27	23	55	9	15	67	1	1	2	3	8	16	11%	30%	59%	0.85	2.04	2.48
Branko Culina	59	63	81	31	37	101	4	4	8	20	12	27	34%	20%	46%	1.07	1.37	1.71
Gary Van Egmond	129	161	181	70	77	278	7	6	13	46	32	51	36%	25%	40%	1.25	1.40	2.16
Clayton Zane	12	19	17	8	9	30	0	1	1	5	2	5	42%	17%	42%	1.58	1.42	2.50
Nick Theodorakopoulos	7	6	16	3	9	8	2	1	3	0	3	4	0%	43%	57%	0.86	2.29	1.14
Craig Deans	3	4	4	3	2	5	0	0	0	2	0	1	67%	0%	33%	1.33	1.33	1.67
Richard Money	23	28	31	16	8	40	1	2	3	9	5	9	39%	22%	39%	1.22	1.35	1.74
Terry Venables*	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	-	-	-	-	-	-

* He's still waiting for a pick up at the airport

67%? Bring back Deans!

Or for entertainment value... bring back Clacka! 1.58 goals per game... almost double what we are doing now. And a better defensive record too.

Deans IN

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Originally Posted by MFKS

Even when down 4-1 5-1 6-1 etc we were trying to score. Can not fault that at all.

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I find it hard to believe there's no fault in being down 1-6. Displaying a useless attack is laughable.

In a side with no hope If we arent breaking legs than its shit.

zane was great to be fair to him.

he was really hard done by.

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Originally Posted by parksey

zane was great to be fair to him.

he was really hard done by.

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loved zane and he played football that suited the squads strength I.E 4-4-2 heskey and taggart

Soo many idiots on some of the Jets fans facebooks pages who still think miller is doing a good job and their only defence is that we have a shit squad OMFG :wtf:

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Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET

Soo many idiots on some of the Jets fans facebooks pages who still think miller is doing a good job and their only defence is that we have a shit squad OMFG :wtf:

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I agree with you totally he is out of his depth it is pretty sad

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Originally Posted by foti68

I agree with you totally he is out of his depth it is pretty sad

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He even seems like a nice bloke but he has no idea what he is doing and its showing

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Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET

Soo many idiots on some of the Jets fans facebooks pages who still think miller is doing a good job and their only defence is that we have a shit squad OMFG :wtf:

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People are entitled to their opinion without the name calling I reckon. Do you think we have a good squad?

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Originally Posted by idontwannaplaywithhowey

People are entitled to their opinion without the name calling I reckon. Do you think we have a good squad?

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Not good enough to finish in top 6

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Originally Posted by lquiquer

Not good enough to finish in top 6

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Not enough to avoid the spoon either.

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Originally Posted by lquiquer

Not good enough to finish in top 6

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The Squad never was, and everyone sensed that at the start of the season.

FFA & Jets have been hamstrung by a rushed decision to retain all roll-over contracts from the Tinkler rein.

The only risk in this retaining $80k for next season is the uncertainty of what happens if a buyer turns up in the off-season and wants to overhaul the squad (yet again) including the coaching staff - this will likely mean back to square one again with another "rebuilding season".

I hope Miller is retained to build his squad.

When we click on the park, we look the goods.

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Originally Posted by ruddah

The Squad never was, and everyone sensed that at the start of the season.

FFA & Jets have been hamstrung by a rushed decision to retain all roll-over contracts from the Tinkler rein.

The only risk in this retaining $80k for next season is the uncertainty of what happens if a buyer turns up in the off-season and wants to overhaul the squad (yet again) including the coaching staff - this will likely mean back to square one again with another "rebuilding season".

I hope Miller is retained to build his squad.

When we click on the park, we look the goods.

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I have paid for a family membership each season since the A-league started and I'm tired of all the excuses.
I have supported this club and many others here have given a hell of a lot more than me as well in time, money, and effort.
The club needs to put up or shut up. That's what it amounts to.
Miller has failed to deliver and for that he should be shown the door. Others have been sacked for a lot less at this club I don't see why he should be given preferential treatment.
The playing group can GTFO as well. Too young, too old, too injured, too lazy... that pretty much describes the lot of them.

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Originally Posted by ruddah

The Squad never was, and everyone sensed that at the start of the season.

FFA & Jets have been hamstrung by a rushed decision to retain all roll-over contracts from the Tinkler rein.

The only risk in this retaining $80k for next season is the uncertainty of what happens if a buyer turns up in the off-season and wants to overhaul the squad (yet again) including the coaching staff - this will likely mean back to square one again with another "rebuilding season".

I hope Miller is retained to build his squad.

When we click on the park, we look the goods.

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as far as I was aware - the new holding company that the FFA created to run the Jets HAD to offer like for like to the players under contract to HSG when they took over the club. It was up to the players whether they stayed or not. So the current squad (except for the players Miller & Murphy/Eland have brought in) are all due to Stubbins/HSG.

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Originally Posted by furns

as far as I was aware - the new holding company that the FFA created to run the Jets HAD to offer like for like to the players under contract to HSG when they took over the club. It was up to the players whether they stayed or not. So the current squad (except for the players Miller & Murphy/Eland have brought in) are all due to Stubbins/HSG.

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See what your saying but as it is a new company how liable are they for existing arrangements being that HSG had folded etc

Generally the new company ain't liable for the debts of the former company so it could be that the only reason we had to honour the players deals was as a sign of goodwill rather than any compulsory requirement.

Anyone with a bit more understanding on the legal aspects here than me able to shed some light??

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Originally Posted by The Dunster

I have paid for a family membership each season since the A-league started and I'm tired of all the excuses.
I have supported this club and many others here have given a hell of a lot more than me as well in time, money, and effort.
The club needs to put up or shut up. That's what it amounts to.
Miller has failed to deliver and for that he should be shown the door. Others have been sacked for a lot less at this club I don't see why he should be given preferential treatment.
The playing group can GTFO as well. Too young, too old, too injured, too lazy... that pretty much describes the lot of them.

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Who exactly is the club at the moment? What other manager would we get right now that has a-league (or any) experience that could turn this playing group into winners?

I think Millers being a bit hard done by. Look at the team he had on paper last weekend. Traveling to a rampant Adelaide, missing 3 key players, after a 6-1 belting, and he somehow gets the team to lift & play a game that could have reasonably finished in a draw. He can't do anything about Alivodic scuffing a shot or Mullen getting turned. Sure he could pick other players but let's be realistic here about who else is at his disposal.

Would like to see what he can do under an actual owner, and with his own players.

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Originally Posted by ruddah

The Squad never was, and everyone sensed that at the start of the season.

FFA & Jets have been hamstrung by a rushed decision to retain all roll-over contracts from the Tinkler rein.

The only risk in this retaining $80k for next season is the uncertainty of what happens if a buyer turns up in the off-season and wants to overhaul the squad (yet again) including the coaching staff - this will likely mean back to square one again with another "rebuilding season".

I hope Miller is retained to build his squad.

When we click on the park, we look the goods.

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there was no decision.
they were obliged to under the CBA and terms of ownership.

Just like when the FFA finally **** us off to anyone willing to pay the jacked up price they want for us.

Contracted players must be offered a like for like deal.
The players are then allowed time to act as free agents in terms of seeking offers from other clubs, if nothing comes form elsewhere they can take the offer from the new owner.

Any new owner is hamstrung by contracts from the previous owner.


It's one reason why Miller is signing young blokes to shorter deals, so if a new owner comes in, they aren't left with an aging squad being paid too much, on lengthy contracts.

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Originally Posted by furns

as far as I was aware - the new holding company that the FFA created to run the Jets HAD to offer like for like to the players under contract to HSG when they took over the club. It was up to the players whether they stayed or not. So the current squad (except for the players Miller & Murphy/Eland have brought in) are all due to Stubbins/HSG.

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Originally Posted by MFKS

See what your saying but as it is a new company how liable are they for existing arrangements being that HSG had folded etc

Generally the new company ain't liable for the debts of the former company so it could be that the only reason we had to honour the players deals was as a sign of goodwill rather than any compulsory requirement.

Anyone with a bit more understanding on the legal aspects here than me able to shed some light??

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Originally Posted by GazFish35

there was no decision.
they were obliged to under the CBA and terms of ownership.

Just like when the FFA finally **** us off to anyone willing to pay the jacked up price they want for us.

Contracted players must be offered a like for like deal.
The players are then allowed time to act as free agents in terms of seeking offers from other clubs, if nothing comes form elsewhere they can take the offer from the new owner.

Any new owner is hamstrung by contracts from the previous owner.


It's one reason why Miller is signing young blokes to shorter deals, so if a new owner comes in, they aren't left with an aging squad being paid too much, on lengthy contracts.

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what Gaz said :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by The Dunster

I have paid for a family membership each season since the A-league started and I'm tired of all the excuses.
I have supported this club and many others here have given a hell of a lot more than me as well in time, money, and effort.
The club needs to put up or shut up. That's what it amounts to.
Miller has failed to deliver and for that he should be shown the door. Others have been sacked for a lot less at this club I don't see why he should be given preferential treatment.
The playing group can GTFO as well. Too young, too old, too injured, too lazy... that pretty much describes the lot of them.

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I feel your pain bud. I've been their since day dot as well.

What's the alternative? Become a Euro snob? Follow the scum? F-No!

What has Miller failed to deliver?

Compare the quality and DEPTH of our squad to any team in the top 7.

There lies our problem -not Miller. Nix & Scum are in the same boat - poor quality and now depth.

We can't keep sacking coaches!

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Originally Posted by GazFish35

there was no decision.
they were obliged to under the CBA and terms of ownership.

Just like when the FFA finally **** us off to anyone willing to pay the jacked up price they want for us.

Contracted players must be offered a like for like deal.
The players are then allowed time to act as free agents in terms of seeking offers from other clubs, if nothing comes form elsewhere they can take the offer from the new owner.

Any new owner is hamstrung by contracts from the previous owner.


It's one reason why Miller is signing young blokes to shorter deals, so if a new owner comes in, they aren't left with an aging squad being paid too much, on lengthy contracts.

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Beat me to it.

Miller has said he won't sign anyone for longer than the time he is contracted as coach because he doesn't feel it fair to lump the next person with his squad.

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Originally Posted by Jeterpool

Beat me to it.

Miller has said he won't sign anyone for longer than the time he is contracted as coach because he doesn't feel it fair to lump the next person with his squad.

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As miller said he has had his hands tied, financially, the whole time he has been here.

Unfair to adjudicate on his coaching capabilities given the lack of squad potential at his disposal.

Someone finally has the sense to stop the rot and fix these ridiculous contracts being offered to some players.

how come Ben kantarovski and any other player coming off contract is not coming out and having a tantrum? These guys are knuckling down and fighting for their careers. Something lazy Dave was not willing to do. How many of his assists came from free kicks?