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Can someone kindly inform me if the team still trains on a Tuesday morning?
Van god is shit,
im starting to hate watching the jets becasuse of this joker.
fu$k him off before crowds get to a low point or football will be considerd boring in newcastle
basically the whole time under branko we were even more boring than we are now. the only thing exciting about the branko days was ljubo.Quote:
Originally Posted by cobra23
i'm actually enjoying being shit, and freely admitting it, again. feels like home. the way it should be.
this weekend, after we concede in the 6th minute, let's get the "we're shit, and we know we are, we're shit, and we know we are" chant going for the rest of the match.
The only problem I have with the GVE out scenario is that Craig Deans is already favoured as the replacement by the Jets management.
It certainly looked like GVE had Arthur Papas earmarked as his right hand man when he came back - he was given a place on the bench at games even though he was only youth coach. My opinion from the start was that Gary needs a highly skilled assistant to counter-balance his weaknesses and it looked like this combination would work well.
I assume that Papas found that there was no way to dislodge Deans and so moved on.
The comments from Gary and the club about the Sydney coaching role were interesting. The fact that Gary is setting himself up to oversee the emerging Jets program and no longer has the "career manager" mentality that he came to the club with to me means that he's not comfortable with the way the football operations in the club are running.
From the outside, it certainly looks like nobody has each others back. Which is what you would expect looking at how the club is run from Troy Palmer down.
The bloke that should be next in line to VAN shit god is BOBBY NOUMOV, that bloke is a waste of coaching
talent.
He needs some role in the jets
I disagree, Branko's era never reached the lows of the past month.Quote:
Originally Posted by pv4
^ hahahaha.
Also, will someone please explain to me why that guy keeps calling him "Van God". Was there a memo that I missed or something?
you must have been watching a completely different eraQuote:
Originally Posted by stopper2
do you remember the time with a month or two to go we were 2nd and wound up 6th, then crashed in the semis to Wellington away?
Agree. The performances lately have been shit, some of GVE's selections have been frustrating as fxxx, but they're nowhere near the same level of the away performances under Branko.
My feeling on the rest of the season:
< 6th place = GVE out
5th or 6th = depends on how well we do in the finals, GVE possibly out
1st to 4th = GVE in, build for next season
Where have I heard that before, let me guess GVE just needs his own players too.Quote:
Originally Posted by militiamon
Right, because coming 2nd would be such a travesty, same old Jets etc.
my thoughts in preseason, and still existing, are anything less than top 2 and gve out. the resources he had available, the amount of time he had to build his squad, he had no excuse not to slay the league this year.
however, i can see us winding up keeping him regardless of final position (unless it's bottom two)
PV4 Out of curiosity what was it about our pre season signings that warranted your thoughts of a top 2 finish for us??Quote:
Originally Posted by pv4
Also considering the standards of most of our pre season football what was it that you saw that convinced you we would be great this year??
My expectations were a little lower Top 6 with maybe a Top 4 effort if we go well
Personally my minimum expectations is top 4 and a semifinal at the least.
However I believe that HSGs expectations are much lower.
tinkler doesn't suffer fools. tinkler doesn't suffer failure. tinkler doesn't suffer disappointment. blah blah blah.Quote:
Originally Posted by furns
Tinkler doesn't give two shits about the jets
must be getting gaz confused with rvpQuote:
Originally Posted by militiamon
When Branko was dubiously sacked, from media reports, HSG seemed to think that GVE was God's gift to football, and would be popular with the fans. And thus from the list of applicants, no light shone as brightly as the sunshine from Van God's arse.Quote:
Originally Posted by militiamon
The appointment of Middleby as CEO was done along similar lines ... would be a good puppet and a popular within his home town.
my expectation for this season was created the moment gve was appointed last season & the first thing he said was "this is not my squad, this whole year is a write-off because i am going to hammer home the style i want to play & i will add/remove the players i have a year to assess to create my squad for next year". given to him were immensely great resources (apparently we had budgeted for 2 marquees), an entire season worth of excuse under his belt (where i don't think results would have cared in the slightest) and total transfer control (buying all kids, even buying ribeiro totally by himself). this season, regardless of who gve brought in, i had no lower expectations than doing what ange did at brisbane. the moment he did a tiatto-move to wehrman, it was quite clear he was just trying to do exactly what ange did to brisbane. gve talked that game, and has no excuse not to get there.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
in preseason, however, i thought we were wiping aside state league opposition a lot better than we used to (that weston 7-0 from branko days aside, weston were garbage that night). we seemed to control state league games a lot more, and for once it was obviously clear who the professional side was in the game. we were actually doing good things with the ball - i was impressed with tiago, mitchell, neville, taggz, brillante, birraz, and a few others. it felt like this preseason had a different vibe to it, and i was one of those guys standing with my arms crossed saying "gve is going to fxxx our season up" but couldn't help but walk away from games thinking "wow, maybe gve is going to do it".
i cannot and will not buy into the philosophy that simply by adding heskey into the team, it changed our entire system and gve can't actually implement the system. whether the heskey move was hsg-inspired and gve didn't have a say or not, gve spent the best part of off-season telling everyone that our system needed a target man. which it did. which it received. the sudden revert to heaps of long-balls & well direct play is not an indication of what the team HAS to do when heskey is there, it's what gve chooses to do - stupidly. and the players haven't taken the decision to pump longballs on themselves - they're getting instructed to do it by gve. heskey hasn't always played as the lone target - iirc most of his career was playing alongside another striker, whether he be target or the false 9 (him & bent at villa most recent example).
apart from sydney away, i haven't watched a game this season that i genuinely felt we deserved to walk away with 3 points without caring what the opposition did. and that is a huge, huge failure on gve's behalf imo. he's had a whole year to sort his shit out, and he has nae done that.
to be totally honest, imo the two biggest transfer cockups we've had in recent years were not getting smeltz, and not getting farina (my opinion on farina had and has no sway from his recent decision to sign for sydney and/or his recent form for sydney, it was established well before that). gve is and was the wrong choice.
#gveout
Its not the finishing 2nd part of your prediction its the Building for next season, how many years do we need to build for.Quote:
Originally Posted by militiamon
Are we a football club or a construction company, judging by the coaching statements for the past few years its the latter, always building for next year, which is weird seeing that we finished last in 08/09, then managed to improve (not hard when your dead last) to 6th 09/10 but then have regressed to 7th for 10/11 & 11/12, always building but never getting any where.
It's time for things to change, keeping a bloke who has more excuses then wins is not the best way to go about it either, unless its just because these are branko's players still?
Quote:
Originally Posted by pv4
Could not agree more. Have always felt in my mind HSG after all the chaos of the Jason and Branko drama felt it was time to save face with the Newcastle Football fraternity and one way to do this and create a good news story was to bring GVE back.
By bringing back GVE who managed us to a title they probably thought they were bringing god back so to speak and in turn win back the faith of the supporters. Sadly for those who made that decision they read the situation completely wrong. From the time of the anouncement he was returning comments have been staunchly divided . I am in the group that did not want him back but not because as a lot of people claimed he done a runner on us the first time around but simply because his career success rate as a manager is terrible at best.
There always seems to be issues following GVE around from his man management skills, playing favourites over players in better form, blaming others rather than accepting some responsibilty himself etc etc. The thing is all these issues were a trait of his management first time around and remain to this day.
He always appears to be a manager reacting rather than innovating and this is why i think he was and still not the right fit for this club. When the club showed Branko the door there was a wonderful opportunity for a fresh start and those at HSG although thinking they were getting it right IMO got it terribly wrong.
All in IMO of course.
these three succinct sentences say it all reallyQuote:
Originally Posted by 380
well said
Ange took responsibility after their Adelaide loss... He said he picked the wrong players in his back 4. Never heard GVE say anything like that...
As for our pre season from what I seen of it we weren't as great as everyone made out. Sure we may have been undefeated but that doesn't tell the real story.Quote:
Originally Posted by pv4
In our game V Phoenix at Weston that seen the brawl we were second best. It wasn't until the brawl that we got into the game. Pretty easy I suppose when it is 10 V 9 and the 9 are sitting back trying to defend. Even when it went to 10 V 8 we done no better. Score finished 3-1 to us yet we had all the ball and dominated possession field position and chances for the best part of 65 mins. From what I seen that night no great signs to warrant HIGH EXPECTATION
In our game V WSW at Wanderers Oval we started alright and for the first 10 mins we were playing well. Neville scored a cracker, one touch passing and movement were happening. A couple of stray passes and then after that all I seen was the 75 mins of shit I see every week at present.
In our game at ADamstown Oval against a NNSW Select side that was made up of at least half the Jets Yoof team we won 2-1. We were ****ing poor. Lucky to come back from 1-0 down after the Birraz into the head of was it Mitchell howler that led to the opening goal. Only other highlight of the night was a great strike by Rubes that hit the crossbar from an acute angle.
Even watched our pre season Intra Club match at RAY Watt that a thousand or so turned out for. What was their that great to see??
From what I seen our Pre season and our HAL season have been almost on the same level. The Only blip being the Smurfs game in Rd 2 where we turned it on.
As for our signings
Birraz - Back Up at Adelaide - Needs time to Develop
Neville - Played most of his games at Perth when Perth were shit and had lost his spot to Risdon before choosing us
Mitchell - Played most of his games at Perth when Perth were shit and couldn't cement a spot there yet comes here a s a starter
Ritter - Unknown European
Brillante - Young kid who had a few games at Gold Coast last season.
Goodwin - Young kid who played 4 games at Heart last year and had some profile thanks to Craig Foster after a stellar debut
Brown - Promising kid who had been in the Gold Coast set up for the last 3 years
Cooper - Young kid at Gold Coast who had a profile thanks to the Captain on Debut Farce thanks to Clive Palmer
Taggart - Young kid who couldn't get a go at Perth behind Smeltz and Mehmet who came here looking for a chance
Ribero - Obscure Brazilllian who came to us with no great raps from Albania
HEskey - EPL player with Big name and alleged pedigree
Looking at our signings being added to the likes of Jobe Kanta BK Bridges Jesic etc the same guys who couldn't do it last years or the year before and were the lucky ones to escape the chop that claimed Takka Labi etc what makes you think we are going from work in progress to world beaters??
Building a champion side takes time and many factors.
To beleive GVE is on the same level as Ange and can achieve the things Ange did at Roar in his first full season is a good laugh!!
The thing that is bugging me most about our current predicament is not that we are losing, not that Tinks financial woes are a daily event but that for some reason we have strayed from the Eggs plan.
Friday night first half Perth 66% of possession. This from a noted hoof ball side and us wanting to play a possession based game. Not ****ING GOOD ENOUGH
Egg needs to get us back to playing the way he wants us to win lose or draw. Not this abortion of a style we see at present. If we lose playing the way Egg wants us to so be it. We will improve and get better at it in time. Playing a mish mash of styles we do at present won't get us anywhere
Egg is the coach, determines tactics... he dropped players so he could play his "style".... So clearly this shit we are doing is his doing. therefore. GVE Out.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
end of story.
I think a key to getting some fluidity and eventual success on the field is to actually have a regular starting side that will know how to play with each other..
Not continually swap 4-5 starting players every single game.
I hate to say it, but look at the dirty coasties.. Just about the same starting side, week in, week out..
mfks - i did nae watch the three games you mentioned, but as i attempted to highlight in my post, i had these expectations well before preseason had even begun (aka i didn't give a flying fxxx how we did in preseason as i rarely use preseason form as a judge for the jerks because the season, particularly to start off with, rarely pans out how preseason form predicts it will). but the games i did see v state league teams in preseason, i thought we were better than other years against the same teams.
How long should a coach be given? "We need change" is a bit ridiculous when he's been here for not even 2 years. Maybe we should just change the coach every season until we get one that luckboxes us the toilet seat?
IF PV4 you had Top 2 expectations well before the preseason maybe your level of expectations are the problem. Sure it is possible to go from the bottom to the top in 1 season but it is highly unlikely.Quote:
Originally Posted by pv4
We are prone to shooting ourselves in the foot here in Newy and GVE is renowned for his brain fart ideas (ie Dropping Goody starting Oxborrow) and meltdowns when things aren't going well for these reasons it is gonna be a slow journey for us to the top not a giant out of the blue leap
This.Quote:
Originally Posted by sh10
well if we were in any other competition... We would have been relagated along time ago...Quote:
Originally Posted by Bremsstrahlung
This.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
spot onQuote:
Originally Posted by Bon
Yep, agree 100%. Whether or not it ends up being the perceived best 11 on the pitch or just Dutchy's favourite 11, they have to play games together to get the combinations right. How many different back 5 combinations have we had? Might have had the back 4 the same a few times but the have had different keepers behind them, different screeners in front. How many times have we had the same front 4? Heskey has played every game but everyone else has been moved about every single game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bon
Sigh.
i did say that appointing gve again would be a bad move.
although, i think he is very unfairly criticised most of the time.
Lets cast our minds back to 2006. Nick Theo is coach and the Jets with a talented squad are 3 points after 7 matches and leaking goals like a sieve. Nick Theo is hell bent on playing 3-5-2 even though they have a young inexperienced keeper in BK.....somethings gotta give. Con sacks the coach because of the lack of results and the fact that Theo had also lost the dressing room and GVE/Mark Jones take over.
I clearly remember the first thing GVE said he was going to do was to stop the rot at the back by reverting to a back four and focusing initially on keeping the opposition scoreless. There was also going to be a "leadership group" which would include the likes of Okon, Griffiths, Carle, Coveny etc. who would all have some input and say in decision-making. As we all know the team turned it around and went to within one match of the GF. The next year with a slightly different side we went and won the GF.
Back then GVE was regarded as the best young Aussie coach going around......now he is known as the "tinkerman", a coach who wipes you if you dare disagree with his philosphy and one who it now seems has forgotten what it takes to be a winning team.
pretty muchQuote:
Originally Posted by parksey
this thread can be summed up as follows:
- we're playing like shit (fair enough)
- GVE doesnt change the team = he's playing favourites, persisting with shit players
- GVE does change the team = he's a tinkerman, we need to play consistently with the same team
- poor man manager, arrogant etc from people who've never met the bloke let alone sat in on training and the dressing room
doesn't matter what he does, he'll get shit from supporters either way. can't win.
then he's got to go.Quote:
Originally Posted by sh10
This is the 'GVE OUT' thread though.Quote:
Originally Posted by sh10