Russia 2018 World Cup - AFC Qualifiers

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Originally Posted by plague

Get jedinak off.
****ing useless.
Ange out.

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Bro ...

On another note can some of our refereeing apologists explain exactly how the 3rd goal the bloke who fouled Kruse

How did he not walk ??

Last man
Goal scoring opportunity
Tackle from behind
Common Assault
Etc

Take your pick but how he only got yellow defies belief

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Originally Posted by MFKS

Disagree

It about getting there and the journey you take to get there developing your squad etc

I will take our preparation we have had over the likes our 2010 side had where they qualified in a canter and were not pushed to earn it

When we got there they thought they would just roll on where they left off in Germany 06 but the German NT was a massive step up from the Asian sides we had rolled

I actually think we will do quite well in Russia

This side may be cumbersome and excruciating at taking chances etc but

They are hard to beat and are not riding their luck to scrape in

Just takes us longer to get the dominance reflected on the scoreboard than we would like

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We have always been "hard to beat"...like many I don't like the way we play and can see us being punished soon.

Much will depend on our group and what Ange is doing. At least we are there and we have some time to regroup.

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Originally Posted by Jetmaster

We have always been "hard to beat"...like many I don't like the way we play and can see us being punished soon.

Much will depend on our group and what Ange is doing. At least we are there and we have some time to regroup.

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I think when we get better quality opposition we will benefit

Every nation we have faced in qualifying has parked the bus against us and made us have to play through them

Given better quality opposition who also are going to want the ball and dominate the game more they are going to open up a bit more space for us

I think we will be fine and more than competitive in our group and with some luck sneak out into the knock outs

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Originally Posted by Couscous

Bro ...

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word?

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Originally Posted by MFKS

On another note can some of our refereeing apologists explain exactly how the 3rd goal the bloke who fouled Kruse

How did he not walk ??

Last man
Goal scoring opportunity
Tackle from behind
Common Assault
Etc

Take your pick but how he only got yellow defies belief

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Easy. Rule got changed in the last year or two so that for the denying obvious goal scoring chance (aka last man etc), you no longer award a red card and a penalty for the same offence. So if its outside the box and a free kick, still a red. If its a pen then only yellow. Reasoning is that a red card and a pen for one incident is too heavy a punishment given that the penalty is a high chance of a goal. It can still be a red if the foul would have been a red elsewhere on the pitch, so for excessive force or whatever the proper terms are.

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Originally Posted by MFKS

Given better quality opposition who also are going to want the ball and dominate the game more they are going to open up a bit more space for us

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I wondered this during the Syria game actually and you're probably right. We're not really good enough to be Man City or Barcelona and break down anything in front of us. But blokes like Leckie, Rogic, Mooy, Kruse do ok at club level because they're not facing parked buses, they don't play for "big" clubs (maybe Rogic excepted in the Scottish league). Our pace on the wings will become a more valuable asset, so we may actually look better with less ball.

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Originally Posted by Macca

Easy. Rule got changed in the last year or two so that for the denying obvious goal scoring chance (aka last man etc), you no longer award a red card and a penalty for the same offence. So if its outside the box and a free kick, still a red. If its a pen then only yellow. Reasoning is that a red card and a pen for one incident is too heavy a punishment given that the penalty is a high chance of a goal. It can still be a red if the foul would have been a red elsewhere on the pitch, so for excessive force or whatever the proper terms are.

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I disagree with your interpretation of the new rule change. The way I understand it:
- Deny an Obvious Goal Scoring Opportunity (they even abbreviate it to: DOGSO) outside of the box = red card and freekick.
- DOGSO inside the box, but making a "genuine attempt" to play the ball = yellow card and penalty.
- DOGSO inside the box, but NOT making a "genuine attempt" to play the ball = red card and penalty.

The only way to explain the Robbie Kruse penalty being awarded a yellow last night is the ref believed the defender made a genuine attempt to play the ball.

Our most potent attacking weapon across the two legs was the left back which tells you all you need to know about how poor we are.

The midfield set up last night was horrible and people falling over themselves to praise the captain for being a 4th fullback against a team spraying long balls then ok.

We don’t have any strikers in the squad who can beat a player one on one, and no one in the front half of the field has any composure in front of goal.

This team will suck in Russia and no doubt it will be the group opponents/injuries/global warming to blame.

The only true team playing football at the moment is the Jets yet you all wanna cheer for Gypos.

Duncan > Ryan
Kanta > Jedinak
Jobe > everyone

Fold the country let the Jets pull on the green and gold.

Thanks for your time.

Cheers,
Plague.

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Originally Posted by pv4

I disagree with your interpretation of the new rule change. The way I understand it:
- Deny an Obvious Goal Scoring Opportunity (they even abbreviate it to: DOGSO) outside of the box = red card and freekick.
- DOGSO inside the box, but making a "genuine attempt" to play the ball = yellow card and penalty.
- DOGSO inside the box, but NOT making a "genuine attempt" to play the ball = red card and penalty.

The only way to explain the Robbie Kruse penalty being awarded a yellow last night is the ref believed the defender made a genuine attempt to play the ball.

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I guess that's how its written in the rules but I suppose my interpretation is how I think it will be implemented in reality.

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Originally Posted by plague

Our most potent attacking weapon across the two legs was the left back which tells you all you need to know about how poor we are.

The midfield set up last night was horrible and people falling over themselves to praise the captain for being a 4th fullback against a team spraying long balls then ok.

We don’t have any strikers in the squad who can beat a player one on one, and no one in the front half of the field has any composure in front of goal.

This team will suck in Russia and no doubt it will be the group opponents/injuries/global warming to blame.

The only true team playing football at the moment is the Jets yet you all wanna cheer for Gypos.

Duncan > Ryan
Kanta > Jedinak
Jobe > everyone

Fold the country let the Jets pull on the green and gold.

Thanks for your time.

Cheers,
Plague.

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Legit though is it just my imagination or would the Jets put together a better attack than our national team

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Originally Posted by pv4

I disagree with your interpretation of the new rule change. The way I understand it:
- Deny an Obvious Goal Scoring Opportunity (they even abbreviate it to: DOGSO) outside of the box = red card and freekick.
- DOGSO inside the box, but making a "genuine attempt" to play the ball = yellow card and penalty.
- DOGSO inside the box, but NOT making a "genuine attempt" to play the ball = red card and penalty.

The only way to explain the Robbie Kruse penalty being awarded a yellow last night is the ref believed the defender made a genuine attempt to play the ball.

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This is my understanding also and my thoughts are it should have been red. Not that it mattered by then.

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Originally Posted by Macca

Legit though is it just my imagination or would the Jets put together a better attack than our national team

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Well we don’t have any Gypos so we are automatically better.

Our strikers Roy and Taggart are walk up starts to Aussie team.

Dimi > Leckie

Seen teams move the ball quicker than the Socceroos on live pause FFS.

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Originally Posted by plague

Well we don’t have any Gypos so we are automatically better.

Our strikers Roy and Taggart are walk up starts to Aussie team.

Dimi > Leckie

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Geez....Jaffas Griff is still better than Juric.

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Originally Posted by Macca

Easy. Rule got changed in the last year or two so that for the denying obvious goal scoring chance (aka last man etc), you no longer award a red card and a penalty for the same offence. So if its outside the box and a free kick, still a red. If its a pen then only yellow. Reasoning is that a red card and a pen for one incident is too heavy a punishment given that the penalty is a high chance of a goal. It can still be a red if the foul would have been a red elsewhere on the pitch, so for excessive force or whatever the proper terms are.



I wondered this during the Syria game actually and you're probably right. We're not really good enough to be Man City or Barcelona and break down anything in front of us. But blokes like Leckie, Rogic, Mooy, Kruse do ok at club level because they're not facing parked buses, they don't play for "big" clubs (maybe Rogic excepted in the Scottish league). Our pace on the wings will become a more valuable asset, so we may actually look better with less ball.

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As for the Kruse foul no red card

Forget the aspects of the last man penalty double whammy send off etc

How was he not sent for a tackle from behind??
How was he not sent for common assault??

As it wasn't exactly anything much short of violence on the pitch rather than genuine attempt at playing the game going wrong

Pots are sorted

POT 1: Russia (hosts), Germany, Brazil, Portugal, Argentina, Belgium, Poland, France

POT 2: Spain, Switzerland, England, Colombia, Mexico, Uruguay, Croatia, Peru

POT 3: Denmark, Iceland, Costa Rica, Sweden, Tunisia, Egypt, Senegal, Iran

POT 4: Serbia, Nigeria, Australia, Japan, Morocco, Panama, South Korea, Saudi Arabia

Best outcome:-Russia, Mexico & Costa Rica
We'll get:- Germany, Spain & Denmark

There's a pots prediction thread in this.

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Originally Posted by Retro Jet

Pots are sorted

POT 1: Russia (hosts), Germany, Brazil, Portugal, Argentina, Belgium, Poland, France

POT 2: Spain, Switzerland, England, Colombia, Mexico, Uruguay, Croatia, Peru

POT 3: Denmark, Iceland, Costa Rica, Sweden, Tunisia, Egypt, Senegal, Iran

POT 4: Serbia, Nigeria, Australia, Japan, Morocco, Panama, South Korea, Saudi Arabia

Best outcome:-Russia, Mexico & Costa Rica
We'll get:- Germany, Spain & Denmark

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Cant happen

Glad we qualified but we aint troubling anyone in Russia. This system is ****ed. Stack the midfield to create chances for good football, Only create crossing chances, Have no one that can cross. Playing Cahil upfront gives us no movement and leaves Mooy and Rogic with no one to play balls through for.

Leckie at RWB WTF Ange, Bloke is scoring goals and whatnot playing on the wing in germany and you play him as a RB. We saw how this system goes against WC level opposition at the Confeds Cup. Germany and Cameroon shouldve beat us by 5 goals both games and Chile for what ever reason were off their game allowing us to play.

That wont happen at the world cup and teams will steal the ball of us race through un challenged on goal and score past that arms flapping gypo in goal