I agree with you both..Quote:
Originally Posted by WolfMan
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I agree with you both..Quote:
Originally Posted by WolfMan
Yeh we just have to hope Gallagher will do a similar job to mitchell (well 2nd half of last season mitchell) when called on but must be on less money.Quote:
Originally Posted by WolfMan
Less money on back up defender means more money on 1st choice midfielder who we need to sign.
And as someone else said, sign this kid and keep youth players progressing. When time comes for someone to step up for a game or two, stubbins has multiple options, he can pick Gallagher or he can pick a youth player if they have impressed.
So when you need someone to step up for a game or two it's better to have some shit nobody on the books to give them a game like Joey Gibbs only to purge them in the off season than to give your yoof a go like Kale and see if they are up to it???
Maybe we need to start looking at the bigger picture of player development rather than continually neglecting the next generation by continuing to pick the same recycled never wases
After all that is what your yoof team is for. Get the coaches to develop the kids to the stage where they can play first team when the chance arises
Member - Gallagher is 23 years old, and a former youth international. It may be too early to label him a recycled never was IMO.
So were Payne, Ontong and Patafta...Quote:
Originally Posted by pv4
Can we at least give stubbins a chance?
Sure this signing might not be exactly what you would do yourself, but big phil has given every reason so far to believe in what he is doing. Instead of bagging him out and saying "here we go again" why can't we just give him a shot?
Also....
He has spoken about wanting 2 people for every position. What if, in his opinion, the left back from our youth team is just not up to standard yet? Do you still want to sign him and put him into the first team if someone is injured?
This, I remember people laughing at Ange at Brisbane with his signings after clearing out all those well known names and performers, I'm not saying Stubbins is the next Van gall or even Ange, but come on, anything he does has to be better than anything GVE did.Quote:
Originally Posted by leftrightout
:lol: au revior dropping the infamous "I wouldn't even trust Ange to be a backroom staff in a local state league club. He belongs in Woolies packing shelves in my opinion"Quote:
Originally Posted by Rocknerd
No, you're missing the point of the forums.Quote:
Originally Posted by leftrightout
Plus I am still wearing my work hat today since I am on here on company time and it is my job to dispute everything everyone puts forward (really is my job IRL, pretty much).
Carney Goodwin Gallaway Steele... isn't that enough cover for left back?
The bigger issue is more likely at centre back... and everyone that goes to youth games seems to think that Cowburn, a Young Socceroo, is more than good enough to be considered a 4th choice centre back. If the club are serious about their much lauded "we want the Jets to be a pathway for local footballers blah blah blah" rhetoric, why the hell are they not promoting from within? Kale scores a billion, Gibbs and Old Man Bridgey are preferred options. Cowburn makes rep teams, some bloke who has a disaster career to date and has ended up playing in the Vietnamese pub league gets brought in. THAT is my issue with it.
The ONLY info I can find about Gallagher in his previous HAL lifetime is "getting torn a new asshole by Ferreira" and "tackling Kresinger, denying goal and getting a red". Some HAL career that is to inspire a new club.
Being that I have been away from Gods country for nearly 7weeks now though Friday will see my glorious return my perspective is we are going nowhereQuote:
Originally Posted by leftrightout
Just before I left we released a highly talented kid by the name of Connor Chapman. Kid will be a Socceroo when he gets his act together and we have replaced him with a nobody who struggled to make it in the HAL before being cut
Add in we have released two of our most talented players in Taggz and Beard to overseas clubs.
We have also released our captain and Caramels which may be good ideas to rejig the squad but seem rather retarded when you bring in what appears to be worse players to replace them
This Steele signing fills me with little confidence. The bloke has spent most of his time plying in minor level football in the US
I personally don't rate Flores despite the fan boy love. The bloke played half a dozen good games 4.5years ago and has since done little. Add in he is coming off a serious injury I think it is unlikely the bloke will be a star
The signing of the Ecuadorian is a bit of the unknown. His stats though don't make for inspiration but we will see
Despite all this the side Stubbins inherited was not good enough to make the 6 last year. This year we appear to be weaker minus heskey taggz beard and the replacements do not seem better
What I am seeing is not exactly filling me with any confidence That we will make it this coming season.
Basically Phil is gonna have to be a miracle worker to get us in the top 6 with his coaching.
Being we are doing 75minute training sessions I struggle to see the optimism
I'm agreeing with the member here. Why pump any money into a youth squad if you're just going to continually ignore any promising players there. In fact, why sign anyone to the youth squad if you don't think they could make the first grade squad? On pure economics alone, it's a bad investment.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
Bottom line here is Stubbins has the players he wants, so after they're given time to settle in. He has no excuses, if they don't perform, its on his head. No b.s. like the egghead, who brought in all the players he wanted, then after 3 years of shit results, said they couldn't play the way he wanted them too. All the time being backed by the management. So lets give Stubbins time get the players to gel (lets say half time in the 1st trial), before all the doom and gloom.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thomas477
This has nothing to do with Stubbins, it's a club culture thing, longer than just GvE, or even Middleby. We have in the past continually signed aleague journeymen or other clubs unwanted players, rather than promote our own youngsters. I recognise that Chilli, Pepper, Hoole, Regz and Galloway have come from there, but it's the signing of players like Gibbs especially, when we could have promoted Bradbury (for example) who would have been both a local junior and not a coastie, plus wouldn't have cost us as much. We may not have an as good CB in the youth as whoever we're looking at, but surely the question should be asked, "Why aren't we producing as many players to supplement the first grade team as required?"Quote:
Originally Posted by judge
My point is why have a youth team if you're just going to ignore any players with potential and just sign journeymen to fill in the backup roles? I know that it's FFA mandated, but just seems like a waste. The youth team should be supplying these backup players, and if they're not, why not?
Too true, at any other club with the results we were getting KB would have got some minutes in the top grade.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thomas477
Only at the Jets would that type of shit judgement have gone on.
But its an FFA mandate that they have a youth team. So they couldn't get rid of it even if they wanted to.Quote:
Originally Posted by 380
These are mostly the blokes that get bagged out in here and said to be not good enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thomas477
So you want players signed from the youth team and yet the ones we have in the past have all but failed and no one wants here?
Regz and Hoole are great. Gallaway is adequate but makes you sad when you look at some other DL's in the comp. Pepper, kind of likewise... good local squad option to have. Virgili is the least impressive of them all IMO, he has one or two good games a year.Quote:
Originally Posted by leftrightout
But you are missing the point still... no one is saying that any youth player should be lining up as first choice just that, as far as 4th or 5th choices go, why would you NOT want them to be the one that gets the nod instead of the old has been or the gypo scum?
I do agree with you, i dont want a dean heffernan or jamie coyne over local youth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grimario
But what i was saying is everyone seems to like the idea of promoting the youth squad but when it comes time for results, we have payed money to watch them play and when they dont play well everyone is happy to call them shit and complain that we cant release the deadwood but other clubs can!
If you take a vote of which 2 or 3 players would you like to get rid of from the club, i bet majority of votes would go to players who have come through our youth team.
When we aren't getting results, it has had NOTHING to do with most of the players you mention though. They've been largely squad players, adding a bit of depth, not the first team regulars who have had holes punched in them by everyone (me included) at times. The real fault over the past 2 years has been shit structure from GVE or bad tactical awareness from Clacka... and if part of that means a right footed left back (Gallaway) getting yelled at for being out horrifically of position or a decentish young midfielder thrust into a starting spot at right back (Pepper), that fault should only be partially the players.
Oxborrow, Cooper & SolariQuote:
Originally Posted by leftrightout