Miller - He's Out (pg 25)

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Originally Posted by lquiquer

Not good enough to finish in top 6

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No i dont think we have a good squad in fact its ****ing shit but Miller has pretty much chosen a 2 thirds of our squad to use no matter what form they are in and the other third for whatever reason (Pav, Brennan, Lundy,Crowley, Cooper, themba Baressi) have essentially been frozen out when they are defiantly worth giving a go over triffo the lampost and alidovic and watson who havent performed all season. Also a shit squad doesnt stop coaches from trying different things or using different players if something isnt working however Miller has refused to do this and as a consequence other teams have worked us out to a fault and beat us easily most weeks

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Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET

No i dont think we have a good squad in fact its ****ing shit but Miller has pretty much chosen a 2 thirds of our squad to use no matter what form they are in and the other third for whatever reason (Pav, Brennan, Lundy,Crowley, Cooper, themba Baressi) have essentially been frozen out when they are defiantly worth giving a go over triffo the lampost and alidovic and watson who havent performed all season. Also a shit squad doesnt stop coaches from trying different things or using different players if something isnt working however Miller has refused to do this and as a consequence other teams have worked us out to a fault and beat us easily most weeks

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We've been beaten easily twice by my reckoning. And that list of players you rattled off would not have changed that. In fact probably would have made it worse. I agree that we could have changed formations etc more and tried things but our squad is shite. We've lost Haliti and Leo for large portions of the season which has killed us and when some if the younger ones has been given a gotheyve been awful (Pav a prime example) I actually think it's a shame Brennan was injured for so long I think he'd have gotten a go

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Originally Posted by The Camel

We've been beaten easily twice by my reckoning. And that list of players you rattled off would not have changed that. In fact probably would have made it worse. I agree that we could have changed formations etc more and tried things but our squad is shite. We've lost Haliti and Leo for large portions of the season which has killed us and when some if the younger ones has been given a gotheyve been awful (Pav a prime example) I actually think it's a shame Brennan was injured for so long I think he'd have gotten a go

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most weeks weve relied on birraz to not lose 4-0 so im standing by my beaten easily statement

I think our biggest problem continues to be midfield - Watson & Poljak haven't done a good enough job. I can't totally blame two players but the ball goes through them both ways. A striker can't get into a game when he touches the ball once every 10 minutes, and the defenders can be the best in the league but they'll let goals in when the floodgates have been opened in front of them. Hopefully Ugarkovic can offer something better - he might not have gone around as long as these two but surely he's quicker around the park and that will already be an upgrade (I didn't see his stint against the Reds so can't comment). A stronger midfield means more ball will get up top the and attackers can hopefully find some rhythm. If Leo stays fit, with the addition of Nords, I'm hoping we can make a better fist of the second half then the first and I'm quietly confident we can finish 8th (which sounds stupid but I'm sure everyone here would take that right now.)

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Originally Posted by halo se7en

I think our biggest problem continues to be midfield - Watson & Poljak haven't done a good enough job. I can't totally blame two players but the ball goes through them both ways. A striker can't get into a game when he touches the ball once every 10 minutes, and the defenders can be the best in the league but they'll let goals in when the floodgates have been opened in front of them. Hopefully Ugarkovic can offer something better - he might not have gone around as long as these two but surely he's quicker around the park and that will already be an upgrade (I didn't see his stint against the Reds so can't comment). A stronger midfield means more ball will get up top the and attackers can hopefully find some rhythm. If Leo stays fit, with the addition of Nords, I'm hoping we can make a better fist of the second half then the first and I'm quietly confident we can finish 8th (which sounds stupid but I'm sure everyone here would take that right now.)

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Originally Posted by halo se7en

I think our biggest problem continues to be midfield - Watson & Poljak haven't done a good enough job. I can't totally blame two players but the ball goes through them both ways. A striker can't get into a game when he touches the ball once every 10 minutes, and the defenders can be the best in the league but they'll let goals in when the floodgates have been opened in front of them. Hopefully Ugarkovic can offer something better - he might not have gone around as long as these two but surely he's quicker around the park and that will already be an upgrade (I didn't see his stint against the Reds so can't comment). A stronger midfield means more ball will get up top the and attackers can hopefully find some rhythm. If Leo stays fit, with the addition of Nords, I'm hoping we can make a better fist of the second half then the first and I'm quietly confident we can finish 8th (which sounds stupid but I'm sure everyone here would take that right now.)

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this has been our problem for years no disrespect to former captain Zads but he couldnt pass for shit and when we have either slow DMs or DMs that cant pass then we struggle to do anything with ball or keep possession. Jobe wasnt that great of a passer either. fingers crossed Cowburn and Ugarkovic can strike up a really good partnership. Wasn't Joshy Brillainte a DM? dont remember he playing there and he can pass decently.

This also leads to the point of everyone can see Poljak and Watson DO NOT WORK as a pair in midfield yet who do we see every week??:bs:

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Originally Posted by The Camel

We've been beaten easily twice by my reckoning. And that list of players you rattled off would not have changed that. In fact probably would have made it worse. I agree that we could have changed formations etc more and tried things but our squad is shite. We've lost Haliti and Leo for large portions of the season which has killed us and when some if the younger ones has been given a gotheyve been awful (Pav a prime example) I actually think it's a shame Brennan was injured for so long I think he'd have gotten a go

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The very fact Haliti is vital to this squad tells you just how shit the team really is.

Nothing against Haliti as he's a good competitor and all but he's hardly the sort of player you would build a team around.

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Originally Posted by The Dunster

The very fact Haliti is vital to this squad tells you just how shit the team really is.

Nothing against Haliti as he's a good competitor and all but he's hardly the sort of player you would build a team around.

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yeah but always gives 100% ( we lack this alot), the few goals he scores are always crucial goals and wouldve scored half the chances Triffo missed

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Originally Posted by The Dunster

The very fact Haliti is vital to this squad tells you just how shit the team really is.

Nothing against Haliti as he's a good competitor and all but he's hardly the sort of player you would build a team around.

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Agree but what I think we have missed from him the most is someone in the front third with a massive work rate.

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Originally Posted by The Camel

Agree but what I think we have missed from him the most is someone in the front third with a massive work rate.

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This agree 1000%

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Originally Posted by The Camel

Agree but what I think we have missed from him the most is someone in the front third with a massive work rate.

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Which makes Millertimes decision to sign Milos even more baffling.

Playing with such a weak squad you would think you would be wanting a mobile player with a great work rate up front.

So we go and sign someone who is very static and lazy.



How hard must it be to not pick that he is a static and lazy player when scouting him for people who are apparently qualified in football like our coaching staff??

It takes rank and file fans some of them with little idea on the game only a game or two to spot it and be in unanimous agreement

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Originally Posted by MFKS

Which makes Millertimes decision to sign Milos even more baffling.

Playing with such a weak squad you would think you would be wanting a mobile player with a great work rate up front.

So we go and sign someone who is very static and lazy.



How hard must it be to not pick that he is a static and lazy player when scouting him for people who are apparently qualified in football like our coaching staff??

It takes rank and file fans some of them with little idea on the game only a game or two to spot it and be in unanimous agreement

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Lazy or not, 6 goals in 15 is not too bad for a poor season

imagine if the bloke could score with his feet

tbh in a better side he'd probably have a squillion goals by now

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Originally Posted by halo se7en

I think our biggest problem continues to be midfield - Watson & Poljak haven't done a good enough job. I can't totally blame two players but the ball goes through them both ways. A striker can't get into a game when he touches the ball once every 10 minutes, and the defenders can be the best in the league but they'll let goals in when the floodgates have been opened in front of them. Hopefully Ugarkovic can offer something better - he might not have gone around as long as these two but surely he's quicker around the park and that will already be an upgrade (I didn't see his stint against the Reds so can't comment). A stronger midfield means more ball will get up top the and attackers can hopefully find some rhythm. If Leo stays fit, with the addition of Nords, I'm hoping we can make a better fist of the second half then the first and I'm quietly confident we can finish 8th (which sounds stupid but I'm sure everyone here would take that right now.)

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we we've had cowburn sitting on the bench all year so he's had the option to make a positive change but settles for the same shit every week

Milos has missed the service of Leonardo all season.

Judge at end of season.

Milos will have a few more goals yet.

Would be great if we had berisha, but maybe we can fit his left arm into our cap next year??

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Originally Posted by MFKS

Which makes Millertimes decision to sign Milos even more baffling.

Playing with such a weak squad you would think you would be wanting a mobile player with a great work rate up front.

So we go and sign someone who is very static and lazy.



How hard must it be to not pick that he is a static and lazy player when scouting him for people who are apparently qualified in football like our coaching staff??

It takes rank and file fans some of them with little idea on the game only a game or two to spot it and be in unanimous agreement

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He was signed before we lost Haliti and Leo for the bulk of the season though. The game plan may have been that others would do his running and the wanted a big body who could finish.

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Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET

Jobe wasnt that great of a passer either.

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Seriously dude, grab your keys, maybe a coat, leave your house, get in your car and get the **** right out of here with that horseshit.

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Originally Posted by plague

Seriously dude, grab your keys, maybe a coat, leave your house, get in your car and get the **** right out of here with that horseshit.

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Jobe developed very nicely before leaving the club. His passing style and range was getting towards Wehrman standards

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Originally Posted by plague

Seriously dude, grab your keys, maybe a coat, leave your house, get in your car and get the **** right out of here with that horseshit.

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He wasnt doesnt mean i didnt love him to death

Jobe leaving was the beginning of the end of this shitful club.

The club is getting what it deserves.

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Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET

He wasnt doesnt mean i didnt love him to death

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Seriously stand your ground and not try to appease people around here.

You have made your case and backtracked now as soon as you got challenged

Stand your ground buddy

I agree with the member, Stanny. If you stand by your tough truths, you'll garner respect around this place, and even a reputation for wisdom. #GVEin

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Originally Posted by Couscous

I agree with the member, Stanny. If you stand by your tough truths, you'll garner respect around this place, and even a reputation for wisdom. #GVEin

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Hey I was willing to give my man Stany a chance to apologise and plead for forgiveness but he's still at it so he can keep getting all the way the **** out of here to Gosford to link up with the rest of the Gypos,

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Originally Posted by plague

Jobe leaving was the beginning of the end of this shitful club.

The club is getting what it deserves.

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Actually the club has been in a constant state of rebuilding since GVE came back. Okay Branko wasn't amongst the best coaches going around but he had assembled a decent squad with a good blend of youth and experience before he got the flick. GVE comes back and within 12 months we lose the likes of Topor, Elrich, Brockie and Abbas....players who were just entering their prime as footballers. In their place came a bunch of kids....Taggart, Brillante, Goodwin, Chapman, Oxborrow....who have all come and gone anyway.
Had the debacle of Stubbins last year with him signing Flores, Celeski, Madaschi, Gallagher etc. and then deciding that they weren't the players he required either half-way through the season or at seasons end. This wasn't the only legacy Muppet left, it's become over the past few months that there are 3-4 players on big coin either signed by him or had their contracts upgraded to keep them here.
I'm far from being sold on Miller as a coach but shit lets face it, he was up against it from the beginning this season.

here Jobe making a lovely pass right into the back of the ****ing net.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNzCjd1OVdM

I remember no-one could believe it, even Jobe

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Originally Posted by plague

here Jobe making a lovely pass right into the back of the ****ing net.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNzCjd1OVdM

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Crowd was terrible. And it wasn't Jobe you goose it was Joel...

Just thinking about it again - anybody else scores that goal (Del Piero, Mooy, Brosque) and it would be lauded as the greatest thing ever. Poor old Jobe never got the credit he deserved

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Originally Posted by MFKS

Seriously stand your ground and not try to appease people around here.

You have made your case and backtracked now as soon as you got challenged

Stand your ground buddy

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i thought i did. Never said i didnt love Jobe just mentioned he couldn't pass very well. never once did i change my stance on this

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Originally Posted by plague

here Jobe making a lovely pass right into the back of the ****ing net.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNzCjd1OVdM

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I still get angry that this is one off the few games ive missed the past couple of years :(

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Originally Posted by parksey

we we've had cowburn sitting on the bench all year so he's had the option to make a positive change but settles for the same shit every week

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While I like Cowburn, there's a fine balance between blooding a youngster and throwing him to wolves. Miller is possibly worried about the latter. Ugarkovic on the other hand, despite being young, is probably more capable of handling it. Let's remember that Miller wanted Ugarkovic from the start of the season but some contract issue stopped it from happening. It's possible that between Ugar and Kantarovski, Watson was only ever seen as a backup player at most but ended up getting more and more time on the pitch because Uga wasn't signed, and then others kept getting suspended or injured meaning he always got shuffled into the squad. If our season is gone, I don't mind letting Watson take the brunt of the work and then sub in Cowburn & Ugarkovic at better stages of the match to maximise their output and development (how was that for a Millertime quote?).

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Originally Posted by WolfMan

Just thinking about it again - anybody else scores that goal (Del Piero, Mooy, Brosque) and it would be lauded as the greatest thing ever. Poor old Jobe never got the credit he deserved

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Indeed...compare Cockerill's commentary to that he gave Carlos' goal on the Gold Coast.

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Originally Posted by halo se7en

While I like Cowburn, there's a fine balance between blooding a youngster and throwing him to wolves. Miller is possibly worried about the latter. Ugarkovic on the other hand, despite being young, is probably more capable of handling it. Let's remember that Miller wanted Ugarkovic from the start of the season but some contract issue stopped it from happening. It's possible that between Ugar and Kantarovski, Watson was only ever seen as a backup player at most but ended up getting more and more time on the pitch because Uga wasn't signed, and then others kept getting suspended or injured meaning he always got shuffled into the squad. If our season is gone, I don't mind letting Watson take the brunt of the work and then sub in Cowburn & Ugarkovic at better stages of the match to maximise their output and development (how was that for a Millertime quote?).

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so you're saying he continually played the worst player in the squad to the detriment of the team, despite having a better option on the bench (or playing out of position) because he was worried about denting said player's confidence?

seems legit.

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Originally Posted by parksey

so you're saying he continually played the worst player in the squad to the detriment of the team, despite having a better option on the bench (or playing out of position) because he was worried about denting said player's confidence?

seems legit.

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Watson gets pulled at 2-1 down against Perth for Cowburn. Ends up 6-1.

Watson gets pulled for Cowburn around the 70th minute mark at 1-0 up against Coasties. We all know what happened.

Watson wasn't on the pitch when we went 2-0 down to City. Comes on at half time we win 3-2.

I'm not a fan of Watson and think he needs to be replaced at seasons end, and I'm not blaming Cowburn for those results, but to think we should have thrown Cowburn in there full time all season doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I like him but I don't think he's got enough atm to make any difference to what's happening out there. Whether we disagree about whether that's good or bad for his development is something that can be debated but ultimately not proven. Miller seems to be easing Cowburn in which is something I don't have a problem with. Maybe we revisit this discussion in a month and see how much game time Watson gets with Uga now available.

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Originally Posted by halo se7en

Watson gets pulled at 2-1 down against Perth for Cowburn. Ends up 6-1.

Watson gets pulled for Cowburn around the 70th minute mark at 1-0 up against Coasties. We all know what happened.

Watson wasn't on the pitch when we went 2-0 down to City. Comes on at half time we win 3-2.

I'm not a fan of Watson and think he needs to be replaced at seasons end, and I'm not blaming Cowburn for those results, but to think we should have thrown Cowburn in there full time all season doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I like him but I don't think he's got enough atm to make any difference to what's happening out there. Whether we disagree about whether that's good or bad for his development is something that can be debated but ultimately not proven. Miller seems to be easing Cowburn in which is something I don't have a problem with. Maybe we revisit this discussion in a month and see how much game time Watson gets with Uga now available.

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I think come next season we should have the 4/5 of the guys we have now, with Watson being the players getting the axe, and you can even argue to the idea of getting rid of Kanta and even axing Poljak early. Thing with Poljak however is that he's been lined up all season without Leo to work with and next to Watson who hurts him due to the similarities of their style. Him next to Uga could be the goods for him. Kanta, if his contract is negotiated down a touch and moved outside the cap should stay due to his versatility

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Originally Posted by halo se7en

Watson gets pulled at 2-1 down against Perth for Cowburn. Ends up 6-1.

Watson gets pulled for Cowburn around the 70th minute mark at 1-0 up against Coasties. We all know what happened.

Watson wasn't on the pitch when we went 2-0 down to City. Comes on at half time we win 3-2.

I'm not a fan of Watson and think he needs to be replaced at seasons end, and I'm not blaming Cowburn for those results, but to think we should have thrown Cowburn in there full time all season doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I like him but I don't think he's got enough atm to make any difference to what's happening out there. Whether we disagree about whether that's good or bad for his development is something that can be debated but ultimately not proven. Miller seems to be easing Cowburn in which is something I don't have a problem with. Maybe we revisit this discussion in a month and see how much game time Watson gets with Uga now available.

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You were likely at the last home game where in one half of football Watson made six turnover sin a roaw and put us under the pump.

I don't fault Watson's commitment, but he really is a poor quality player.

Cowburn needs some time, but so does every youth player. He's a cut above the current decent Youth team we have.

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Originally Posted by halo se7en

Watson gets pulled at 2-1 down against Perth for Cowburn. Ends up 6-1.

Watson gets pulled for Cowburn around the 70th minute mark at 1-0 up against Coasties. We all know what happened.

Watson wasn't on the pitch when we went 2-0 down to City. Comes on at half time we win 3-2.

I'm not a fan of Watson and think he needs to be replaced at seasons end, and I'm not blaming Cowburn for those results, but to think we should have thrown Cowburn in there full time all season doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I like him but I don't think he's got enough atm to make any difference to what's happening out there. Whether we disagree about whether that's good or bad for his development is something that can be debated but ultimately not proven. Miller seems to be easing Cowburn in which is something I don't have a problem with. Maybe we revisit this discussion in a month and see how much game time Watson gets with Uga now available.

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Yes I am sure it was all because Cowburn came on and the game changed. The times I have seen him play, he has done his job. Maybe you have to look further than just one player. For instance why is Poljack (spelling) so shit for us when he did well for WSW. Maybe it is the style we are playing that he can't fit into. Why is Trifunovic mostly playing up front as a lone striker. Why in the first half of most games we can't get the ball past half way. etc etc

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Originally Posted by De-Champ

Yes I am sure it was all because Cowburn came on and the game changed. The times I have seen him play, he has done his job. Maybe you have to look further than just one player. For instance why is Poljack (spelling) so shit for us when he did well for WSW. Maybe it is the style we are playing that he can't fit into. Why is Trifunovic mostly playing up front as a lone striker. Why in the first half of most games we can't get the ball past half way. etc etc

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I said I wasn't blaming Cowburn for those results (and I didn't even mention his first half shocker down in Parra). I was trying to make the point that Cowburn isn't going to come in and make a big difference to our team as some are suggesting - I'd rather he be eased in and grow into a solid player rather than throw him to the wolves by starting every match.

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Originally Posted by halo se7en

I said I wasn't blaming Cowburn for those results (and I didn't even mention his first half shocker down in Parra). I was trying to make the point that Cowburn isn't going to come in and make a big difference to our team as some are suggesting - I'd rather he be eased in and grow into a solid player rather than throw him to the wolves by starting every match.

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Easing him in is one thing


The coach though needs to show some faith in him and actually bite the bullet and start him and not only that regularly play him in his actual position

Stop playing him at left back right back etc

Play him in his position and allow him a chance and actually put some confidence into the kid


The way many at the Jets are treated is piss poor. Stop playing them out of position and allow them to learn their role