Who is getting promoted in this league gents?
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Who is getting promoted in this league gents?
Fair call mate, if that's the case its good to hear. Well done on making the GF, you were the better team in the semis and if you show up that way against Wallsend again you will be odds on to take out the win there too I would think.Quote:
Originally Posted by garrison
Westlakes took out 1st grade minor premiership, so I believe we will be offered promotion and plan to accept it.
Thanks , congrats to west lakes as well , a very strong side.Quote:
Originally Posted by Macca
I just needed to make sure everyone had the real story. thanks for listening.
garrison - cheers for the writeup. it's refreshing to hear.
Now knowing what LRO has told us with the 66% thing - it seems to me clear that Uni haven't stacked their reserves and things have gone down like you said.
It's a shame for Uni as a club that you couldn't have that side run out every week this year because if the top 3 clubs in first grade have shown anything it's that a healthy reserve grade makes a healthy first grade - as seen by 3/4 of the first grade semi finalists having their respective reserve grades in the finals too. If Uni were able to field all those players who have now thrown a huge statement out to the other reserve grade teams by beating a side that was barely beaten all year, imagine how much stronger the club as a whole would have been. I guess that's positive signs for your future though.
Solely out of curiosity - does anyone know the points system for Club Championship? Would be interested to see how much of a difference there is between Club Championship and the 1st grade ladder, if anyone has that info.
Club Championship PointsQuote:
Originally Posted by pv4
Hamilton 166
Hunter Simba 124
Maryland Fletcher 96
Medowie 16
Merewether 86
Musswellbrook 122
NL 76
Uni 70
Wallsend 150
Westlakes 174
1st Grade Win = 8 Points
1st Grade Draw = 4 points
Reserve Grade Win = 4 Points
Reserve Grade Draw = 2 Points
Yes tell me about it a very frustrating season with players unavailable , working or away , we expect this every year with unifc , but this is the worst iv encountered, I have never had what i consider would have been our strongest first grade on the park. Not once . but as they say thats football and pretty proud of our squad in difficult times , thats what its all about .Quote:
Originally Posted by pv4
Thanks for the breakdownQuote:
Originally Posted by WFC_ZL
Cheers for that. So comparing Club Championship next to first grade ladder, not too disimilar (as expected):Quote:
Originally Posted by WFC_ZL
Westlakes 174 ......... Westlakes 43
Hamilton 166 ........... Wallsend 39
Wallsend 150 ........... Hamilton 38
Simba 124 .............. Mussy 32
Mussy 122 .............. Simba 30
Maryland 96 ............ Wethers 27
Wethers 86 ............. Maryland 23
NL 76 .................... NL 14
Uni 70 ................... Uni 9
Medowie 16 ............ Medowie 2
With there only being two grades and first grade being weighted twice as heavy as reserves its to be expected. Having said that, as you mentioned the top three first grade clubs also performed strongly in reserves.
In ZL1 and ZPL you may see more variation in the order where a mid table club with great depth could make a strong challenge on the club championship.
If you have followed the eligibility rules then you are doing precisely what you are allowed to do. You must understand that people will be skeptical about you out of the blue having a full squad just in time for the second leg of the semi final. We can only go off what we see since we don't have your club documents and fact is all we can see is first grade players being utilised (if you don't like the word stacked) in ressies. We can only take your word that ressies players aren't missing out due to first grade players being selected in order to win the grand final and I sincerely hope that this is the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by garrison
Nevertheless you got this far so good luck in the grand final I look forward to watching it.
I'm calling bullshit on this statement because I played use in the first leg of the semis and I spoke to one of your player and he told me that use stacked your side against plattsy and from that game on wards use had 1st graders playing. I also noticed 2 or 3 1st graders playing in the first leg and all of your bench were 1st grade.
Thats not exactly right the plattsy game not one first grader took the field , i myself was on the bench as well , at 59 i wouldnt if i had players available. it was about the same side as sundays game. . And first leg.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suarez
First leg semi again short of players from res grade and had besides myself available two first bench if required .
The so called stacked against plattsy is rubbish as every player were players who played in res grade all year .
So i dont see why we have to defend something that is not . Every res grade player on the park deserves their place and done the hard work all year in res grade.
Thanks
games are on at Lilsle Carr Oval, Whitebridge on Saturday 10 Sept for those interested in attending
http://websites.sportstg.com/comp_in...22-0&a=FIXTURE
Boz - you've mixed zl2 and 1 up. Zl2 at Lisle Carr on Sat. ZL1 at MacquarieQuote:
Originally Posted by boz-monaut
Regardless of what we all thought or think from the outside, I find my knew found knowledge about the 66% to be pretty conclusive that regardless of who plays when, the teams you verse in the semis are pretty close to the teams you verse during the season.Quote:
Originally Posted by garrison
Fwiw I only remember 3 players from Uni first grade. The big nice striker, the Peruvian (?) Midfielder and the canadian/american keeper. And I only saw one of those 3 out there on sunday
The 66% is pretty lenient to be honest. I was eligible for the semis for reserve grade (and played second leg since they were short from injuries) despite playing first grade pretty much the whole season. Miss a month or so from injury, come off the bench a couple times, miss a couple games from work and you wouldn't have started the 12+ games in first grade required to make you ineligible for the lower grade.Quote:
Originally Posted by pv4
As I mentioned, any other clubs that weren't running with a pretty stable firsts lineup (whether this is due to performance, availability, squad competitiveness or other reasons) could easily have a large number of "first graders" be eligible for reserves come finals.
I think its not the worst system, much better than that last 5 or 6 games thing you mentioned a bit ago.
Tips for tomorrow's GF winners?
Res - Wallsend to beat Uni in regular time
First - Westlakes to beat Hamilton in pens
Well shit we should have practiced pens last night 😰Quote:
Originally Posted by Albert
Wallsend and Cats both in normal time.
Uni 3-2
Cats 4-3
If Uni play there reserve grade squad I would say Wallsend 4 nill but if they play their 1st grade squad then Uni will win 5.2
Still bitter from last weeks loss mate? HahaQuote:
Originally Posted by Suarez
Sounds very salty!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Albert
I'm still playing a gf today mate so I'm not bitter at allQuote:
Originally Posted by Albert
Westlakes 2-1 and uni 4-1
To everyone that predict westlakes for the win use were so wrong hammo 2.1
See that's the thing about playing for UNI FC. Loose lips sink ships as they say and UNI FC are not the most loyal players.
We have all heard from multiple little UNI FC birdies that you completely swapped 1st for reserve grade when you realized your season went to shit and players were putting in the hard work for a start in reserve grade finals football.
Look at the results for UNI 1st grade and reserve grade for the last run into finals...1st grade lost 9 games in a row whilst Reserve grade racked up the points.
Have fun finding your leaks.
Compare your squad sheets for the 1st round matches when you were getting absolutely destroyed against:
Olympic 10-2,
Simba 5-2
3-0 to Westlakes
Even Medowie embarrassed you 4-0.
Big round of applause for your plastic mickey mouse medal this Saturday champ, well earned.
Well done Hamo quality game you guys really brought it to us and showed the doubters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suarez
Hope you guys celebrate well into the night awesome effort.
Thanks very much appreciate it the tooheys new r going down well. Westlakes well done for the club championship u guys deserved it. Thanks for game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Incognito mosquito
Yehhh boy
**** yeah
#winners
I remember a couple of years ago in a semi played at Muswellbrook, uni reserve grade made some subs a few minutes after kick off to put 1st graders on. pretty sure they got pumped 5-0 and everyone was giving them shit from the sideline. In saying that though, you play for a club not a team, if you dont want to worry about stacking, go and play all age.Quote:
Originally Posted by silenceofthelahm
Very well done to uni today! Good close game wallsend fought for it an pushed the whole game! Westlakes did very well this year an i wish them very well next year! Thankyou everyone for this year us at hamo have had a great year an its been a great season an we look forward to next year!!
Silencelahm/suarez users ... :Quote:
Originally Posted by silenceofthelahm
Just to clarify since you seem to be expending your pent-up sour grape energy on attempting to muddy uni fc's name :
- Our lineup for finals, and previously, was res grade through and through
- We respect how well you guys played all season and have congratulated you on this. And I'll do this again - well done hamilton.
- We had our full res grade team available for tail end of season and finals rather than playing people out of position etc, hence our improvement
- You guys had a couple of your best strikers injured as i understand it? Further explaining the results
- Most of our res boys just straight up played their asses of in finals, can you not just ackowledge that?
- If you really think there is an issue than make a formal complaint rather than whining on a forum. (You will find out you have wasted your time but please go ahead!)
- Here's a little sample ; goalscorers in the final were Jordan, Ramin, Jake , Ben. Go find out how many 1st grade games these boys played all season. Don't worry, you'll manage, cause you'll only need five fingers (if that).
Good season all round guys, also credit to the Wallsend boys, you guys played well in the final. See you all next year!
To all four teams involved in the day, congratulations on your on field and off field behaviour and efforts ..... Charlestown city Blues were very happy with how the day went, and good luck in ZL1 next year to the westlakes boys ..... Geez yous can drink ... Thanks again.
Thanks to Charlestown for putting on a good day, I didn't hear our blokes complaining about running out of beer so you must have coped alright haha. The only minor grievances were probably liquor licence / FFA things, mid-strength after half time put a few guys off and not being able to leave the ground before downing the remaining drink - as I said probably nothing to do with the hosts. Field was in great nick and I only wish we got to play on similar surfaces regularly, makes such a difference.
Well done to Hamilton for winning on the day - as your captain said all 3 games this season were very tight and could have gone either way probably. You didn't get any goals in the first half but did dominate for probably the first half an hour and its a hard task for any of us at Westlakes to say we definitely deserved to win.
Thanks to all teams for a good season, plenty of thrills along the way. Can't wait for next year already.
Mate you need to pull your head in.Quote:
Originally Posted by silenceofthelahm
Going around calling people cheats is just not on.
They obviously met the eligibility requirements which means they aren't cheats.
Do I think they had first grade level players on their ressies team definitely but that's merely from what i witnessed during season matches, perhaps they double up most weeks who knows. Pretty poor form IMO but well within the rules.
Wallsend could have played their top 3 first graders straight off the ressies bench but chose not too so good on them.
End of the day the history books have Uni defeating Wallsend in what was an excellent game to watch from a neutral perspective.
I hope both teams are successful on both grades next season.
Seriously - silence of the Lahm and Suarez ... You lads are just coming across as bitter little girls... You may be interested to know that the team that took to the park in the semis and the final is almost identical to the team who were pumped 4-0 by medowie with only a couple changes... Team sheets will confirm.. Infact that medowie game was one of around 10 matches we had around 13-14 players from our squad unavailable.. So a lot of week in/week out ressie players had to then back up and chip in for firsts... We've lost several players through the year due to relocation and injury..Quote:
Originally Posted by silenceofthelahm
So look boys - it's very simple.. either do something about it - waist your time and the associations time to formally complain where you will indeed be proven wrong and then atleast have the decency to get back on here and formally apologise, if you can build up the courage and respect to do so... Alternatively - just accept that you boys relied far too heavily on a couple key players who unfortunately for you missed the finals, enjoy your off season and get over it..
1st grade round 1... Uni 1 - Olympic 8, round 2 (after they switched reserve grade with first grade) Uni 1 - Olympic 2. Something in that theory doesn't stack up.
Fact - Only 1 first grade player (who played more than a handful of games in 1st grade for uni all season) was on the bench at the reserve grade final. Fact - he didn't play a single minute of the match.
A lot of hypocrisy here. Hamilton had 3 guys who played the 1st grade final that DEFINITELY played in the semis. 1. Short long haired midfielder (started in 1st grade final), 2. Bearded forward (think he was on the bench) 3. tall defender (who came on after 20 minutes in the first semi). LOL you guys are making fools of yourselves.
Go out on a limb and name 1. player from the Uni reserve grade side that played 1st grade for the first half of the year. Just one. Go on. Just one.
I now fully believe that Uni have acted within the rules, didn't stack, etc - but one player I know played in at least one round 1 first grade game was the Canadian/American keeper.Quote:
Originally Posted by TomB