VAR - It's Football But Not As You Know It

I will guarantee that Adelaide are more incensed at the VAR call than they would have been had it been just a ref error with no VAR.

It heightens emotions...

If y’all wanna see where this shit will end up go check out the Patriots/Steelers NFL game today.

Those mother****ers can’t even explain what a catch is.

Burn it all down



hashtagplaguehadthesteelersmoneylinegoddamnit

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Originally Posted by plague

If y’all wanna see where this shit will end up go check out the Patriots/Steelers NFL game today.

Those mother****ers can’t even explain what a catch is.

Burn it all down



hashtagplaguehadthesteelersmoneylinegoddamnit

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that was pretty amazing. if that wasn't a catch, then nothing is.

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Originally Posted by MFKS

But your point about cricket and Drugby league is where the technology has gone too far is exactly where it has also gone in football

Too far

These ****ers now are looking at shit in back play and are now apparently over ruling on the ball tackles the ref has seen

So they going too far

You want to refine it

Cut it out with this ridiculous level of use

Just review the goal scoring incident after a goal has been scored for howlers and then get on with


As for your points on Bobo and Muscat getting away with stuff in back play.
The FFA already have the power to sanction them on video review after the game etc

Where this is going wrong is the VAR is now acting on SOME not ALL instances mid game

That to me where you are going too far also.

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I feel like we’re mostly agreeing. With the back play clear red cards though, I think if Bobo commits a foul against Melb City, City should at least have the benefit of him being off the field, rather than waiting for the MRP.

But yeah, limit it’s use to B & W incidents, don’t use it for on the ball incidents outside either box, and try to keep it in the background as much as possible.

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Originally Posted by skullboy

Dumbest. F@#king. Response. Ever.

No-one gives a flying frogs fat arse if you, or anyone else, doesn't care about incorrect decisions. The vast majority of fans do. And the VAR makes the vast majority of decisions right. Foxtel loves to make a big deal out "controversy" because that's how they get people to listen to their shite opinions.

I care if shit-heads like Manny Muscat elbow someone in the head. I care if Gypos go studs up into challenges and don't get sent off. I care if we get a goal ruled offside when it clearly wasn't because a defender played it. I care if Brisbane get awarded a goal against us when there was a clear off-side in the build-up. Need I go on?

It isn't perfect, but anyone deluded enough to think it should be doesn't deserve a megaphone to spout their ridiculous opinions.

My two most hated expressions are "if it ain't broke don't fix it" and "that's the way we've always done it". Dumb-f@#kers who give me that at work get fired.
VAR is a massive improvement and there is no reason to remove it.

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And this is the most ignorant post ever if you think VAR will ever eradicate bad refereeing decisions from the game. I think I and a lot of football fans (being the most played and watched sport in the world for a century) can live with the odd bad call.

In before "I don't want perfect, I just want better"/"It just needs to be improved".

On another note Bobo ain't getting suspended as the VAR looked at it the time

Griff sack whack thing all over

Ironic Berisha got done because the VAR didn't look at it

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Originally Posted by parksey

if you think VAR will ever eradicate bad refereeing decisions from the game. .

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Thats the whole issue.

We havent got anyone/ref who can interpret and implement the system at any consistent level. So we have to dumb it down to offsides, handballs, ball over line stuff. maybe some back play off the ball grub stuff could be added.

jesus. just watched the a-league hour on fox. first time i've seen the red cards in the gypo derby. ridiculous that they were overturned for reds. i would have had no problem if the ref had given them straight red at the time, but i just don't see them as worthy of changing after watching a replay.

they also had delovski on the panel for a bit. apparently the VAR is being brought in to provide "consistency". **** me, we are going to end a lot of games with 2 players on each side. unsurprisingly, there was absolutely no discussion about the bobo challenge on muscat.

some of the interview is on the foxsports page: https://www.foxsports.com.au/football/a-league

I still think a lot of people missed the point last night.

Strebre wasn’t there to explain VAR, because Strebre IS the VAR.

People think it’s some geenyus computer system that takes out human error.

Nope, it’s just another human prone to the same errors as the bloke in the middle.

I don’t need more Strebres thanks.

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Originally Posted by belchardo

they also had delovski on the panel for a bit. apparently the VAR is being brought in to provide "consistency". **** me, we are going to end a lot of games with 2 players on each side. unsurprisingly, there was absolutely no discussion about the bobo challenge on muscat.

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Is the Bobo incident under review or has Alex Brosque determined Bobo has no case to answer to ?

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Originally Posted by The Dunster

Is the Bobo incident under review or has Alex Brosque determined Bobo has no case to answer to ?

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Nah, blue aids are exempt from reds and yellows

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Originally Posted by plague

I still think a lot of people missed the point last night.

Strebre wasn’t there to explain VAR, because Strebre IS the VAR.

People think it’s some geenyus computer system that takes out human error.

Nope, it’s just another human prone to the same errors as the bloke in the middle.

I don’t need more Strebres thanks.

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You realise there's a difference between a human making a split second decision from possibly an obstructed or not-so-great viewpoint... and a human making a decision after watching several replays from several angles? I'm not saying it's perfect, but surely you can see which one has the potential for a higher number of correct calls?

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Originally Posted by halo se7en

You realise there's a difference between a human making a split second decision from possibly an obstructed or not-so-great viewpoint... and a human making a decision after watching several replays from several angles? I'm not saying it's perfect, but surely you can see which one has the potential for a higher number of correct calls?

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Yet despite the replays they are getting shit wrong

That penalty we got on Saturday
FFS who the **** they think they kidding that this is handball??

FMD I will take it

But not in a million years was that the correct call

The difference between VAR and video ref is its not supposed to make correct calls. Its supposed to remove obvious errors. Consider it being the same as the hawkeye in the cricket where it says the ball is demolishing leg stump but only 49% of it is hitting the stumps so the umpire's call that it was going down leg will stand. Same deal.

Ref in our game made the split second call that it was a handball. Upon viewing replays we all go "Jeez that's a harsh call". But was it an obvious error? That's where the VAR comes unstuck, they obviously decided it was not an "obvious" error (aka its understandable that the ref thought it was a handball) so it was not overturned.

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You realise there's a difference between a human making a split second decision from possibly an obstructed or not-so-great viewpoint... and a human making a decision after watching several replays from several angles? I'm not saying it's perfect, but surely you can see which one has the potential for a higher number of correct calls?

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As I alluded above - think for a minute, if there was no VAR what would have happened? We would have been given a dodgy penalty. Adelaide would have been pissed off but it would have been a story for 24-48 hours. Bozza would have whinged and we move on.

With the VAR we got the same decision, but we also got highly charged emotions resulting in a coach being sent, players losing it, Ernie looking embarrassed and it is still being talked about. This is not just about getting the decision right - it is about the impact it is having on the spectacle, the game itself and the emotions of all involved including the fans. Poor calls are a part of the game - get over it.

Just listened to Fox podcast - Simon Hill was ready to unleash for the full pod on VAR but they put a time limit on it. He's right in that there are plenty of other things in the league that need money above a techno trial. Loved the talk on goal line technology used in the EPL.

Peacock - "can't get it because it's ridiculously expensive".

Hill - "well get someone to sponsor it - they found a sponsor for VAR quick enough!"

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Originally Posted by Macca

But was it an obvious error? That's where the VAR comes unstuck, they obviously decided it was not an "obvious" error (aka its understandable that the ref thought it was a handball) so it was not overturned.

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see this is where i have the issue. what is "obvious"? strebre was adamant that those two red card decisions were obviously incorrect calls, but who apart from him (and the ref he convinced on the field - i think strebre was the VAR that night) thought it was an obvious error to give them yellow cards?

similarly, wasn't it "obvious" that bobo not getting at least a yellow was an error? VAR obviously didn't think so, cause it wasn't looked at (perhaps the time between the foul and fox picking it up was too long anyway).

i don't mind that our penalty decision wasn't overturned (although i'd be spewing if it was a penalty against us). i didn't think it was "obvious" that it was an error. from memory, we still haven't seen a camera angle from the other side of the field.

if we are going to be "consistent", as strebre said was the motive behind introducing the technology, don't we have to review every single tackle to see if they have made contact with the legs in the same manner as the two mariners players? or check every tackle to see if anybody swings an elbow in the process? i'm not arguing about the merits or otherwise of any of the red cards, just about the fairness of the situation. mind you, when the opposition captain (thwaite) is yelling at the ref about how stupid a red card to the opposition is, i feel it's pretty obvious (that word again!) that an error has been made.

and there are two things i can see happening more. players going down and staying down (like the guy that muscat hit - he seemed to pop straight up once he knew the review was on), and players reacting more outrageously to any tackle that ends up with somebody on the ground (think isiais every time anybody comes within 25m of him). anything to slow the game down to allow the VAR to have a look at something.

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Originally Posted by Jetmaster

As I alluded above - think for a minute, if there was no VAR what would have happened? We would have been given a dodgy penalty. Adelaide would have been pissed off but it would have been a story for 24-48 hours. Bozza would have whinged and we move on.

With the VAR we got the same decision, but we also got highly charged emotions resulting in a coach being sent, players losing it, Ernie looking embarrassed and it is still being talked about. This is not just about getting the decision right - it is about the impact it is having on the spectacle, the game itself and the emotions of all involved including the fans. Poor calls are a part of the game - get over it.

Just listened to Fox podcast - Simon Hill was ready to unleash for the full pod on VAR but they put a time limit on it. He's right in that there are plenty of other things in the league that need money above a techno trial. Loved the talk on goal line technology used in the EPL.

Peacock - "can't get it because it's ridiculously expensive".

Hill - "well get someone to sponsor it - they found a sponsor for VAR quick enough!"

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If there’s no VAR I get pissed that Nabbout’s goal was ruled offside. You don’t think Adelaide fans and coaching staff wouldn’t have been pissed with that handball call anyway? I’ve walked out of there way too many times disgusted at the refereeing, when the refereeing shouldn’t even be an issue, not to the extent it has been. Last season there were so many calls that made you wonder whether they were bent.

And before you mention the errors with VAR, how long have we had it? 11 rounds? Compared to how many decades and decades of refs who still make huge blunders.

I don’t want games & seasons to be decided by big referee errors. Can I see refs ever improving? No. Can I see VAR being improved. Absolutely.

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Originally Posted by belchardo

see this is where i have the issue. what is "obvious"? strebre was adamant that those two red card decisions were obviously incorrect calls, but who apart from him (and the ref he convinced on the field - i think strebre was the VAR that night) thought it was an obvious error to give them yellow cards?

similarly, wasn't it "obvious" that bobo not getting at least a yellow was an error? VAR obviously didn't think so, cause it wasn't looked at (perhaps the time between the foul and fox picking it up was too long anyway).

i don't mind that our penalty decision wasn't overturned (although i'd be spewing if it was a penalty against us). i didn't think it was "obvious" that it was an error. from memory, we still haven't seen a camera angle from the other side of the field.

if we are going to be "consistent", as strebre said was the motive behind introducing the technology, don't we have to review every single tackle to see if they have made contact with the legs in the same manner as the two mariners players? or check every tackle to see if anybody swings an elbow in the process? i'm not arguing about the merits or otherwise of any of the red cards, just about the fairness of the situation. mind you, when the opposition captain (thwaite) is yelling at the ref about how stupid a red card to the opposition is, i feel it's pretty obvious (that word again!) that an error has been made.

and there are two things i can see happening more. players going down and staying down (like the guy that muscat hit - he seemed to pop straight up once he knew the review was on), and players reacting more outrageously to any tackle that ends up with somebody on the ground (think isiais every time anybody comes within 25m of him). anything to slow the game down to allow the VAR to have a look at something.

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Kris Griffiths Jones said there was no other camera angle available for the Jets penalty.

It shouldn’t be used for anything outside the 18’s unless the linesmen or ref stops play because they thought they saw an off the ball incident, like they did pre-VAR. But instead of discussing what they thought they saw, they can look at the replay. Pretty much save it for things like elbows, stamps, that sort of thuggish shit that goes on behind play.

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Originally Posted by halo se7en

You realise there's a difference between a human making a split second decision from possibly an obstructed or not-so-great viewpoint... and a human making a decision after watching several replays from several angles? I'm not saying it's perfect, but surely you can see which one has the potential for a higher number of correct calls?

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Using this weekend just finished as your evidence?

Nope.

In my opinion the ref got a bigger % of his calls correct than the VAR did.

and before we start, there is no way to categorically prove any of them except for 1 (Which the VAR got right).

Which is why I’m happy for that ‘one’ to be judged, and not the others.

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Originally Posted by halo se7en

If there’s no VAR I get pissed that Nabbout’s goal was ruled offside. You don’t think Adelaide fans and coaching staff wouldn’t have been pissed with that handball call anyway? I’ve walked out of there way too many times disgusted at the refereeing, when the refereeing shouldn’t even be an issue, not to the extent it has been. Last season there were so many calls that made you wonder whether they were bent.

And before you mention the errors with VAR, how long have we had it? 11 rounds? Compared to how many decades and decades of refs who still make huge blunders.

I don’t want games & seasons to be decided by big referee errors. Can I see refs ever improving? No. Can I see VAR being improved. Absolutely.

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I remember a certain game where Jimmy Holland handballed the ****er in the box

Season was decided on the refs decision

Vukoshit lost his mind.

Gypos lost the GF

Jets won the GF with history showing Griff scored the winning goal

Gypo peasents can burn about the injustice of it whilst I wallow in the joy for all eternity



Don't want refs deciding seasons ??

FFS they decided our finest ever moment.

I will be forever grateful to Mark Breeze being a blind ****

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Originally Posted by plague

Using this weekend just finished as your evidence?

Nope.

In my opinion the ref got a bigger % of his calls correct than the VAR did.

and before we start, there is no way to categorically prove any of them except for 1 (Which the VAR got right).

Which is why I’m happy for that ‘one’ to be judged, and not the others.

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Based on the general consensus of decisions....

Nabbout - correct after review
Brama - correct after review, although review shouldn’t have happened but did because ref made wrong call in the first instance
McGing - I still haven’t seen the tackle, was it a yellow or red? Either way, ref ****ed up in the first instance by going to review
Muscat - correct after review, not sure how ref would have called it
Bobo - incorrect after review, but ref didn’t even know it happened
Jets pen - ref & review both incorrect
Berisha - correct after review (although I’m getting that second hand, I haven’t seen it)

When you say the ref got a bigger % of calls correct than VAR, what exactly did you mean?

Anyway, as I said before, I won’t lose sleep if they trash it. I just think there’s way too much made of it in the media & it’s not doing that badly as it’s made out.

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Originally Posted by halo se7en

McGing - I still haven’t seen the tackle, was it a yellow or red? Either way, ref ****ed up in the first instance by going to review

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on this, can the ref tell the VAR to bugger off without going to the video? can't imagine chris beath going to a review, he was always 1,000,000% correct.

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Originally Posted by halo se7en

Berisha - correct after review (although I’m getting that second hand, I haven’t seen it)

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definitely correct review.

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Originally Posted by halo se7en

Based on the general consensus of decisions....

Nabbout - correct after review - agreed, hence why im half ok with offsides in VAR
Brama - correct after review, although review shouldn’t have happened but did because ref made wrong call in the first instance - debatable, hence my concern.
McGing - I still haven’t seen the tackle, was it a yellow or red? Either way, ref ****ed up in the first instance by going to review - debatable hence my concern.
Muscat - correct after review, not sure how ref would have called it - debatable hence my concern.
Bobo - incorrect after review, but ref didn’t even know it happened - debatable hence my concern.
Jets pen - ref & review both incorrect - debatable hence my concern.
Berisha - correct after review (although I’m getting that second hand, I haven’t seen it) - debatable hence my concern.

When you say the ref got a bigger % of calls correct than VAR, what exactly did you mean?

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ok sorry i didnt phrase it very well.

For the decisions i believe VAR 'should' be involved in it would be 100% for the weekend (City goal, Nabout goal).

For the decisions VAR got involved in that i dont think it should have been involved with, i hand it over to John Q Public who are arguing furiously over ALL of them. VAR took a side, and case by case there are people saying that EVERY single one of the VAR decisions are wrong. Thats why i dont think it should be involved in most of the decisions you gave your opinion on above. So according to the public, VAR is somewhere between 100% wrong, and 100% right.

If you add up all the free kicks, offsides, throw ins, goal kicks, corners, dives and time wasting, im happy with the amount of decisions the bloke in the middle gets right every week. and i certainly believe there is less debate about those decisions that the ones VAR is involved in.

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Originally Posted by Premy

Simple fact is.
VAR doesn't get rid of the controversy surrounding dubious decision, it simply shifts it. It's what I've been saying to my mate all along. You only have to look at every other sport that has anything similar, the controversy is just shifted.

Let's just accepted that Referees make mistakes, sometimes it cost teams games. Players and Referees make mistakes every day, if any of these mistakes look like match fixing then launch an investigation into the incident.

Put VAR in the bin and lets move on, Goal line technology can stay.

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Check out this Nostradamus, 6 months later and here we are.

Refs need to be full time professionals and they also need to be paid accordingly. The current situation has them getting paid peanuts and essentially being told they are not good enough and incapable of making decisions.

That they do a better job than the VAR is a miracle in itself.

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Originally Posted by The Dunster

Refs need to be full time professionals and they also need to be paid accordingly. The current situation has them getting paid peanuts and essentially being told they are not good enough and incapable of making decisions.

That they do a better job than the VAR is a miracle in itself.

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That to me is a bullshit argument

You honestly telling me if Chris Beath Gillette and that wanker Shaun Evans get a pay rise and are on 300 K a year that they ain't going to be the same useless blind cheating cunce they are??

I don't think so

You want the level of remuneration to be adequate it keeps the scourge of gambling/match fixing away

But paying these cunce ridiculous amounts of money ain't going to make their eye sight better

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Originally Posted by MFKS

That to me is a bullshit argument

You honestly telling me if Chris Beath Gillette and that wanker Shaun Evans get a pay rise and are on 300 K a year that they ain't going to be the same useless blind cheating cunce they are??

I don't think so

You want the level of remuneration to be adequate it keeps the scourge of gambling/match fixing away

But paying these cunce ridiculous amounts of money ain't going to make their eye sight better

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I wasn't referring to match fixing and the like. What I'm suggesting is more investment into referees at all level of their development - and ultimately, make becoming a professional referee a viable career option - which it's currently not.

Just the same as you can attribute the National teams relative mediocrity compared to times in the past, on grassroots development and probably more importantly those in the 10-15 age bracket.
Referees grassroots is the problem.
I’d actually be interested in seeing retention rates over 5 years.
There’s probably 60 odd new referees each year in inter district, you’d be lucky if 5 were there in 5 years time.
Approximately 10%.
Ask why? Address that and you may just improve the quality/commitment to development.

Gotta laugh - they are tweaking outside the guidelines, they're lost.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/footbal...48671722799b17

At least the red card upgrade is gone and it will focus on "match changing situations only"...wasn't that the original idea?

the article is very well balanced and considered. it almost seems as if it's the fans, players, coaches and commentators that are the unreasonable ones!

"moved to end hysteria"

"weight of criticism — bordering on abuse"

nothing in that article convinces me that there will be any changes. "match-changing situations" is anytime the VAR gets involved!

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Originally Posted by Jetmaster

Gotta laugh - they are tweaking outside the guidelines, they're lost.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/footbal...48671722799b17

At least the red card upgrade is gone and it will focus on "match changing situations only"...wasn't that the original idea?

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It ain't like the FFA pay attention to anyone bar themselves anyway

Didn't FIFA tell them to expand their membership and they couldn't even get that done by November 30??

Cant wait for the normalisation committee to come in .
Hopefully the government get involved and do us all a ****ing favour and disband the state feds why we at it

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Originally Posted by MFKS

It ain't like the FFA pay attention to anyone bar themselves anyway

Didn't FIFA tell them to expand their membership and they couldn't even get that done by November 30??

Cant wait for the normalisation committee to come in .
Hopefully the government get involved and do us all a ****ing favour and disband the state feds why we at it

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so you know that government involvement is one of the things that FIFA bans countries for, yeah?

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Originally Posted by belchardo

so you know that government involvement is one of the things that FIFA bans countries for, yeah?

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Yeah don't believe that BS the media like to spin

Sure worked when the Government got involved last time and put Lowy in charge didn't it ??

Government involvement in Football Federation affairs happens across the planet

Ain't seen anyone with any sway get the flick.
Just pick on some defenceless African or Asian minnows they do who no one misses

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Originally Posted by The Dunster

Refs need to be full time professionals and they also need to be paid accordingly. The current situation has them getting paid peanuts and essentially being told they are not good enough and incapable of making decisions.

That they do a better job than the VAR is a miracle in itself.

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Three of the referees are full time professional already

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Originally Posted by Jetmaster

Gotta laugh - they are tweaking outside the guidelines, they're lost.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/footbal...48671722799b17

At least the red card upgrade is gone and it will focus on "match changing situations only"...wasn't that the original idea?

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Isn’t this is a good thing though? If something apparently isn’t working, tweak it so it works better. It’s better than complete denial and having the FFA say it’s working perfectly.

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Originally Posted by outsider

Three of the referees are full time professional already

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it's probably the three worst as well knowing the FFA.

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Originally Posted by Premy

Put VAR in the bin and lets move on, Goal line technology can stay.

Check out this Nostradamus, 6 months later and here we are.

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Nah. there is a place for it but since the refs cant agree on anything we have to make it for a few basic scenarios.

The red card calls can go first

The few refs a season the FFA offered full time gigs to has has gone backwards in there performance.

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Originally Posted by halo se7en

Isn’t this is a good thing though? If something apparently isn’t working, tweak it so it works better. It’s better than complete denial and having the FFA say it’s working perfectly.

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this is a correct statement.

glad the Double Eff Aye acknowledged the nonsense that went on last weekend. still a bit worried about "game changing decisions".

think back to our win over Victory, should VAR have stepped in on the ballboy assistance goal?

i mean it was a 'game changing decision' and it was clearly an indiscretion (throw in not taken from the spot).

again, under the new guidelines it 'could' be reviewed, but geez they better ****ing not.