2024 NPL Men's

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Originally Posted by Alton

If the Fed keep letting players off with reduced or no suspension at all they may as well rip up the Zero Tolerance campaign, players aren?t doing the right thing because others have got off lightly, stick to the 6 weeks and things will improve

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So players do not have rights! From what I heard the linesman on his report said he called him a f***en prick the player and witnesses deny this and as said he said I got f***en kicked. I can understand when you say these out loud the linesman could miss heard/interpreted what was said as he was some distance away. I think some of the comments may have hidden agendas. As I recall a Magic player man handled a referee but got off as commonsense prevailed. 100% agree with Zero tolerance and have full respect for the officials. But I think this is a bit over the top. It has to go both ways

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Originally Posted by Largesse

As an extension, to avoid misunderstandings, don't swear at others/at all on the pitch? You don't keep your job if you disagree with someone and call them an expletive, how about transferring that to football? Take kids to to senior matches and they hear all the unnecessary language shouted, think it's part of the game and then this transfers down to youth football and things start to fester.

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You nailed it in your comment You don't keep your job if you disagree with someone and call them an expletive, That is the issue by all accounts of what has been said the official was not called an expletive. In regard to swearing you will need to lock kids up at home and not turn on the tv or take them to shops, or an NRL games or send them to school or allow them to work. There is swearing in every day life unfortunately not sure what you do about it.

Any truth to the rumour that the Federation said No to Adamstown to sign an emergency goal keeper with their 3 senior keepers out injured. Looks like the U18 keeper will have to play 2 games or the U16 keeper will have to play reserve grade. Could be a tough weekend for the buds
Find it a very stiff decision if true

Everything you have said Fairgo ? is what you have heard ?. Unless you heard it yourself it?s pretty hard to make comments on hearsay 🤷*♂️

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Originally Posted by Fairgo

You nailed it in your comment You don't keep your job if you disagree with someone and call them an expletive, That is the issue by all accounts of what has been said the official was not called an expletive. In regard to swearing you will need to lock kids up at home and not turn on the tv or take them to shops, or an NRL games or send them to school or allow them to work. There is swearing in every day life unfortunately not sure what you do about it.

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I hear the linesman had a witness come forward backing his account of the incident.

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Originally Posted by Stanley

I hear the linesman had a witness come forward backing his account of the incident.

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Fed have to start supporting and believing referees FFS otherwise they will walk away, before we know it there will be witnesses saying it wasn?t a penalty 😀

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Originally Posted by The Hacker

Any truth to the rumour that the Federation said No to Adamstown to sign an emergency goal keeper with their 3 senior keepers out injured. Looks like the U18 keeper will have to play 2 games or the U16 keeper will have to play reserve grade. Could be a tough weekend for the buds
Find it a very stiff decision if true

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Last time that U18 keeper played 1st grade he kept a clean sheet, so may not be too bad, have to see if the players in front of him will protect him or not

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Originally Posted by Alton

Fed have to start supporting and believing referees FFS otherwise they will walk away, before we know it there will be witnesses saying it wasn?t a penalty ��

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Yeh. It’s tricky.

If the assistant hears something and flags it as dissent/abuse. You have to trust that statement of events. There’s not really any reason to blatantly make something up. Fed should back it IF Assistant is sure of the version of events.

If there’s doubt about what’s said, that’s when it becomes tricky. Regardless, the language and nature of the incident probably warrants dissent and a week off is probably a compromise between extending punishment for details and just leaving it as an on field incident.

What we don’t want is a precedent where any alleged verbal abuse of referees is met with a he said, she said type argument.

We don’t have microphones like ALM or other competitions where we get audio of incidents, so these all come down to referee reports and any neutral witnesses/ or opposition witnesses supporting defendant would probably be acceptable.


It’s hard. If you don’t back a referee, you lose them. But if there’s doubt and assistant THINKS or SOUNDED LIKE, then that’s some vague language and you probably can’t send somebody off because you THINK something happened. You don’t want a referee being abused and you don’t want a player wrongfully suspended.

In my experience. Alot of players tend to blow up and swear after a bad challenge. I will add they swear when decisions don't go their way.

I support the zero tolerance on Referee abuse, but at the same time more needs to be done on player protection for bad challenges. If the punishments were to increase on the challenges, players wouldn't get as frustrated on the pitch Imp.

Sometimes you see a really bad challenge and the player gets a red card and possibly 3 to 4 games. It could also result in an injury to an opposition player. Yet a player may be sent off and given 6 weeks for swearing.

For mine greater consistency on suspensions and balances for offences needs to occur.

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Originally Posted by Bremsstrahlung

Yeh. It?s tricky.

If the assistant hears something and flags it as dissent/abuse. You have to trust that statement of events. There?s not really any reason to blatantly make something up. Fed should back it IF Assistant is sure of the version of events.

If there?s doubt about what?s said, that?s when it becomes tricky. Regardless, the language and nature of the incident probably warrants dissent and a week off is probably a compromise between extending punishment for details and just leaving it as an on field incident.

What we don?t want is a precedent where any alleged verbal abuse of referees is met with a he said, she said type argument.

We don?t have microphones like ALM or other competitions where we get audio of incidents, so these all come down to referee reports and any neutral witnesses/ or opposition witnesses supporting defendant would probably be acceptable.


It?s hard. If you don?t back a referee, you lose them. But if there?s doubt and assistant THINKS or SOUNDED LIKE, then that?s some vague language and you probably can?t send somebody off because you THINK something happened. You don?t want a referee being abused and you don?t want a player wrongfully suspended.

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100% agree. Just to be clear at no point has it been suggested the linesman has made it up. Just a case he has genuinely assumed what was said and by all witnesses account has made an error. That happens, deal with it fairly, honestly and move on.

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Originally Posted by Luke Littler

Everything you have said Fairgo ? is what you have heard ?. Unless you heard it yourself it?s pretty hard to make comments on hearsay ��*♂️

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Not hearsay, I have spoken to a witness that was there who heard it all and has no association to the player or the club. They were bewildered as to why he was sent.

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Originally Posted by Stanley

I hear the linesman had a witness come forward backing his account of the incident.

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BS

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Originally Posted by Fairgo

BS

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I?ve heard that the assistant is reconsidering whether or not what they heard was correct, their beard may have blocked their ears. :gent:

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Originally Posted by Fairgo

Yes that is what I heard from people that witnessed it and they said they were shocked he got a red. But the linesman THOUGHT he said ?your a ****ing p*ick?.

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So your story is that the player is stating he said 'I was ****ing kicked' yet you watch the BarTV coverage and he wasn't even remotely close to being kicked....... doesn't really pass the pub test.

I also assume your witness is one of the few people you can see standing on that side of the field? Otherwise how would they know what was said with such confidence?

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Originally Posted by ExWhistleMan

So your story is that the player is stating he said 'I was ****ing kicked' yet you watch the BarTV coverage and he wasn't even remotely close to being kicked....... doesn't really pass the pub test.

I also assume your witness is one of the few people you can see standing on that side of the field? Otherwise how would they know what was said with such confidence?

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If you pause the video on 49:03 of the bar tv match clock you will see there is clearly contact. Stewards even stumble after the contact.
Was it soft? Yes, did the number 6 overreact yes. But to reply to your statement there was clear contact.
Maybe you need to head to specsavers or change out of your red shirt.
I suppose you?re also going to say that wells didn?t touch the ref in his incident?

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Originally Posted by ExWhistleMan

So your story is that the player is stating he said 'I was ****ing kicked' yet you watch the BarTV coverage and he wasn't even remotely close to being kicked....... doesn't really pass the pub test.

I also assume your witness is one of the few people you can see standing on that side of the field? Otherwise how would they know what was said with such confidence?

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And to add to that stupid comment, if you had your glasses on there is a group of 8 people one in a magic tracksuit right where the incident happened

Valentine have told everyone that the new Head Coach will be announced at their upcoming midseason fundraiser. Anyone have an idea who it is?

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Originally Posted by Taffy

Valentine have told everyone that the new Head Coach will be announced at their upcoming midseason fundraiser. Anyone have an idea who it is?

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Law

Gomez and GVE

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Originally Posted by Fairgo

BS

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Why is it BS, doesn’t seem like a fairgo to me.

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Originally Posted by Taffy

Valentine have told everyone that the new Head Coach will be announced at their upcoming midseason fundraiser. Anyone have an idea who it is?

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They threw the kitchen sink at Cooks Hills Coach this week. He turned them down.

Lakes v Cooks
Res 2-4
1st 2-7

Good afternoon for the boys

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Originally Posted by Taffy

Valentine have told everyone that the new Head Coach will be announced at their upcoming midseason fundraiser. Anyone have an idea who it is?

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It's their U13s coach i think.

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Originally Posted by Killa

It's their U13s coach i think.

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Current U16s coach, will be interesting to see how he goes, never coached seniors before

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Originally Posted by Taffy

Current U16s coach, will be interesting to see how he goes, never coached seniors before

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Huge call by the club

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Originally Posted by straightred88

Huge call by the club

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Either be the best thing for the club or the worst decision ever made. In saying all that good on the club for giving someone different a go rather than the usual merry-go-round.

Papas ban downgraded to 2 games
Hopefully the officials take the other 4 games and have a rest

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Originally Posted by magician

Papas ban downgraded to 2 games
Hopefully the officials take the other 4 games and have a rest

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This zero tolerance campaign is not working when player after player appeal and get off, the match officials need support not humiliation

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Originally Posted by Alton

This zero tolerance campaign is not working when player after player appeal and get off, the match officials need support not humiliation

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This is the first successful appeal of ?match offical abuse? since they have brought in the zero tolerance policy?

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Originally Posted by Allday

This is the first successful appeal of ?match offical abuse? since they have brought in the zero tolerance policy?

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What about pre zero tolerance policy. Kale Bradberry getting off last year was an absolute joke and guess what, it’s another mystery independent witness that has come forward to save Jaffas. Whatever happened to the respect referees campaign, certainly no respect shown by Pappas and not to signal Reece out it’s across the whole competition. Let’s start respecting referees decisions and back them.

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Originally Posted by Stanley

What about pre zero tolerance policy. Kale Bradberry getting off last year was an absolute joke and guess what, it’s another mystery independent witness that has come forward to save Jaffas. Whatever happened to the respect referees campaign, certainly no respect shown by Pappas and not to signal Reece out it’s across the whole competition. Let’s start respecting referees decisions and back them.

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The whole thing is a joke Stan

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Originally Posted by Stanley

What about pre zero tolerance policy. Kale Bradberry getting off last year was an absolute joke and guess what, it’s another mystery independent witness that has come forward to save Jaffas. Whatever happened to the respect referees campaign, certainly no respect shown by Pappas and not to signal Reece out it’s across the whole competition. Let’s start respecting referees decisions and back them.

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From my understanding there was 4 neutral witnesses come forward.

Pappas has been handed a 2 game suspension for offensive language for using the word f**k which is a different offence to match offical abuse which is under the zero tolerance policy. Jaffas have appealed that the linesmen has misheard what he said. Downgrading from abuse to offensive language which clearly they have proven beyond reasonable doubt with the cooperation of the referees involved as they are involved in the appeal process.

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Originally Posted by Allday

From my understanding there was 4 neutral witnesses come forward.

Pappas has been handed a 2 game suspension for offensive language for using the word f**k which is a different offence to match offical abuse which is under the zero tolerance policy. Jaffas have appealed that the linesmen has misheard what he said. Downgrading from abuse to offensive language which clearly they have proven beyond reasonable doubt with the cooperation of the referees involved as they are involved in the appeal process.

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And every time a ref sends off a player as part of Zero tolerance the witnesses will emerge, Fed have set a precedent now, so much for supporting officials

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Originally Posted by Allday

From my understanding there was 4 neutral witnesses come forward.

Pappas has been handed a 2 game suspension for offensive language for using the word f**k which is a different offence to match offical abuse which is under the zero tolerance policy. Jaffas have appealed that the linesmen has misheard what he said. Downgrading from abuse to offensive language which clearly they have proven beyond reasonable doubt with the cooperation of the referees involved as they are involved in the appeal process.

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That would be the sum of all the neutral spectators at the game.

Would be curious to find out how one is determined to be a "neutral witness"? Given they need to be unaligned to a club and yet also care enough about a player of said club to send in a statement/appear at a disciplinary hearing.

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Originally Posted by 2ndclasscitizen

Would be curious to find out how one is determined to be a "neutral witness"? Given they need to be unaligned to a club and yet also care enough about a player of said club to send in a statement/appear at a disciplinary hearing.

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Spot on second class, it?s all garbage, no such thing as a neutral other than the lady walking her dog outside the fence

At the end of the day, the “Northern NSW Football Sometimes Tolerance Policy” has been an abject failure from the start.
Within the last couple of months we have seen:
* A Magic player suspended, then (quite rightly) exonerated for murdering a referee/putting hands on a referee to mitigate potential injury to both parties
* A rosebuds player hit for six for bantering with the Maitland bench, followed by said bench ratting him out to the linesman
* A rosebud coach not even facing examination by the powers that be for 90 mins + of disgraceful abuse towards match officials which was clearly audible on not one, but two bartv broadcasts from lmrff.
* A Jaffas player exonerated on the basis of statements of 4 blokes on the tins on the hill who are adamant the player said “I was ****ing kicked” as opposed to saying the ref was “a ****ing prick”, which, in contexts, both statements would come under the guise of referee abuse

I honestly don’t think the referees know what constitutes abuse, or how to handle it. Further, I don’t think Northern have figured out a framework for identifying & managing match day incidents. Bartv is filming every NPL first & reserve grade game. High time northern review the footage.

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Originally Posted by northern_swan

At the end of the day, the “Northern NSW Football Sometimes Tolerance Policy” has been an abject failure from the start.
Within the last couple of months we have seen:
* A Magic player suspended, then (quite rightly) exonerated for murdering a referee/putting hands on a referee to mitigate potential injury to both parties
* A rosebuds player hit for six for bantering with the Maitland bench, followed by said bench ratting him out to the linesman
* A rosebud coach not even facing examination by the powers that be for 90 mins + of disgraceful abuse towards match officials which was clearly audible on not one, but two bartv broadcasts from lmrff.
* A Jaffas player exonerated on the basis of statements of 4 blokes on the tins on the hill who are adamant the player said “I was ****ing kicked” as opposed to saying the ref was “a ****ing prick”, which, in contexts, both statements would come under the guise of referee abuse

I honestly don’t think the referees know what constitutes abuse, or how to handle it. Further, I don’t think Northern have figured out a framework for identifying & managing match day incidents. Bartv is filming every NPL first & reserve grade game. High time northern review the footage.

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Spot on, couldn’t agree more.

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Originally Posted by northern_swan

At the end of the day, the ?Northern NSW Football Sometimes Tolerance Policy? has been an abject failure from the start.
Within the last couple of months we have seen:
* A Magic player suspended, then (quite rightly) exonerated for murdering a referee/putting hands on a referee to mitigate potential injury to both parties
* A rosebuds player hit for six for bantering with the Maitland bench, followed by said bench ratting him out to the linesman
* A rosebud coach not even facing examination by the powers that be for 90 mins + of disgraceful abuse towards match officials which was clearly audible on not one, but two bartv broadcasts from lmrff.
* A Jaffas player exonerated on the basis of statements of 4 blokes on the tins on the hill who are adamant the player said ?I was ****ing kicked? as opposed to saying the ref was ?a ****ing prick?, which, in contexts, both statements would come under the guise of referee abuse

I honestly don?t think the referees know what constitutes abuse, or how to handle it. Further, I don?t think Northern have figured out a framework for identifying & managing match day incidents. Bartv is filming every NPL first & reserve grade game. High time northern review the footage.

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It's been an abject failure because Northern are happy to go after kids and players from lesser clubs, but afraid to hold the bigger clubs and players to account. Should point out that the rosebuds player at his hearing had the Maitland coach and 2 players on the bench put in statements to defend the player as well.

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Originally Posted by Taffy

Should point out that the rosebuds player at his hearing had the Maitland coach and 2 players on the bench put in statements to defend the player as well.

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Wasn’t aware of that part. Makes the Sometimes Tolerance Policy look even worse if that’s the case.