Daily Australian News Thread 2015

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JETS fans will be asked for their input as Football Federation Australia attempts to create a new, sustainable structure for Newcastle's A-League flagship.

After the financial failure of the one-owner model under Con Constantine and Nathan Tinkler, FFA officials are open to the prospect of a revamped business prototype for the Jets.

They plan to hold at least three community forums to brainstorm for ideas. The first will feature business leaders, the second Jets members and the third fans and the public.

"We thoroughly intend to conduct some forums across the community," FFA boss David Gallop told the Newcastle Herald on Thursday. "We're open to different models. But owning football clubs of any code in Australia means you need deep pockets, and you need the ability to access those pockets."













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Jets supporters have had little say in their club's management since Tinkler sacked the club's short-lived advisory board in 2012.

"Community engagement is critical," Gallop said. "It needs to be nurtured.

"We consider the Jets have a great opportunity with the large junior playing base they have, a sports-mad population and a great stadium to play out of.

"There is lots of blue sky in that community and we're confident we can get them back behind the Jets."





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Gallop said he felt that Newcastle would initially retain the team's colours and Jets logo, but added: "That would be a matter of debate for the new owner, and the community's view would play an important part in that decision."

The NRL has owned the Newcastle Knights in an interim capacity since it ousted Tinkler 11 months ago, content to bide its time for a suitable buyer.

Gallop was hopeful FFA would be able to relinquish control of the Jets by the time the next A-League season kicks off in October.

The role of Northern NSW Football will be crucial in the new model.

FFA's chief operating officer, John Kelly, and head of A-League Damien de Bohun were in Newcastle yesterday to meet with stakeholders.

Gallop said FFA would immediately consider expressions of interest, but "there is nothing imminent", despite speculation that the governing body had been in close contact with Scottish multimillionaire Stephen Thompson, who owns Scottish Premier League club Dundee United.

"The dialogue we've had with them has been to direct them to Nathan Tinkler," Gallop said.

"That's because he made it abundantly clear the club was not for sale

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. Hopefully no plastic fans are allowed into these meetings

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Originally Posted by MFKS

. Hopefully no plastic fans are allowed into these meetings

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Member, it's the "plastics" that need to be engaged for any long term viability.

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the new Newcastle entity

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Sneak peak at our new name?

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Originally Posted by GazFish35

Member, it's the "plastics" that need to be engaged for any long term viability.

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Engaging the plastics for long term viability is an issue.

Engaging plastics to sort the core issues holding back our club is a big no no.

Stick to dealing with the passionate fans who stick by the club through thick and thin first. Their opinions are needed to be heard as that is where the intelligent comment will come from.

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Originally Posted by GazFish35

Sneak peak at our new name?

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I read an article that said the name, colours and logo will remain the same

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Originally Posted by MFKS

Engaging the plastics for long term viability is an issue.

Engaging plastics to sort the core issues holding back our club is a big no no.

Stick to dealing with the passionate fans who stick by the club through thick and thin first. Their opinions are needed to be heard as that is where the intelligent comment will come from.

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MFKS, it is lack of humility that is the core issue of what has always been wrong with the club.

"Fans don't know anything"
"You are not a better fan than me, just because you think you are "active""
"If you listen to the fans, you will end up sitting with them in the stands"

Mate, if this club is going to reach its potential, you have got to be open to people who are not like you.

Listen to what the "plastic fans" have to say.

To make my point clearer, in the 2006/07 season we had a layoff of 6 weeks between games due to the ground being re-sown with grass. on 12/11/06 14,000 people attended the game against the Mariners, on 1/1/07 20,900 showed up for the game against Sydney FC. The only difference between these two games was a media campaign that highlighted the excitement, passion and entertainment that was on show at Jets games. The end of that season saw a passion and electricity that I have never seen repeated.

Now, wouldn't you like to know what attracted those extra 7,000 people? Wouldn't you like them to show up again? To maybe want to show up every week? They aren't going to be attracted by the same thing that you are, because when a certain factor isn't there, they go back to their daily lives.

We need to be clear about all the elements of a successful club, because I want 20,000 people there every week.

If we are going to create a club that is open to the whole community, we need to whole of community involved from the start. No personal agendas.

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Originally Posted by MFKS

. Hopefully no plastic fans are allowed into these meetings

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hopefully "fans" with attitudes like this aren't allowed into the meetings.

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Originally Posted by tha_hauss

MFKS, it is lack of humility that is the core issue of what has always been wrong with the club.

"Fans don't know anything"
"You are not a better fan than me, just because you think you are "active""
"If you listen to the fans, you will end up sitting with them in the stands"

Mate, if this club is going to reach its potential, you have got to be open to people who are not like you.

Listen to what the "plastic fans" have to say.

To make my point clearer, in the 2006/07 season we had a layoff of 6 weeks between games due to the ground being re-sown with grass. on 12/11/06 14,000 people attended the game against the Mariners, on 1/1/07 20,900 showed up for the game against Sydney FC. The only difference between these two games was a media campaign that highlighted the excitement, passion and entertainment that was on show at Jets games. The end of that season saw a passion and electricity that I have never seen repeated.

Now, wouldn't you like to know what attracted those extra 7,000 people? Wouldn't you like them to show up again? To maybe want to show up every week? They aren't going to be attracted by the same thing that you are, because when a certain factor isn't there, they go back to their daily lives.

We need to be clear about all the elements of a successful club, because I want 20,000 people there every week.

If we are going to create a club that is open to the whole community, we need to whole of community involved from the start. No personal agendas.

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A core aim should always be to look after your existing fan (customer) and treat them well. If you are doing this well most of your problems don't appear
I totally disagree with this hell bent desire people have to engage the casual customer. It is always done at the expense of the existing core you have. The 5k who were showing up in the back end of last season are the ones we should be looking after first and foremost as they are there when the chips are down

You also keep bringing up humility as being an issue and I will return serve that loyalty is just as important an issue. Chasing the casual fan at the expense of the rusted on support is a huge issue as it shows a lack of respect to the existing fans

ALWAYS TREAT YOUR EXISTING CUSTOMERS BETTER THAN YOU TREAT YOUR NEW CUSTOMERS.
You manage to do this well and your new customers soon become existing customers.

From their loyalty grows

As for your jump in crowds in 2006-07 the ladder position of the side, them winning games and them playing exciting football are the only reasons for the spike. It is a bandwagon ride the club was on and those days don't last forever. Why you feel the need to go out and chase these people defies logic. They are not "PASSIONATE FOOTBALL" fans and are people who enjoy the good times and the latest fad. They jump on and off everything and at the time The Jets were the fad.

Dang, I do not want to be in the room when someone tells the good Member that there was a time in his life that he wasn't a Jets fan and somehow became one.

Actually screw it, let's just build a 5,000 seat stadium and pack the joint out each week with real fans.

Less work for admin trying to find new fans, less hassle for the elite fans like the Member having to rub shoulders with the great unwashed.

That's a win win right there folks.

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Originally Posted by plague

Actually screw it, let's just build a 5,000 seat stadium and pack the joint out each week with real fans.

Less work for admin trying to find new fans, less hassle for the elite fans like the Member having to rub shoulders with the great unwashed.

That's a win win right there folks.

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Great idea

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Originally Posted by plague

Actually screw it, let's just build a 5,000 seat stadium and pack the joint out each week with real fans.

Less work for admin trying to find new fans, less hassle for the elite fans like the Member having to rub shoulders with the great unwashed.

That's a win win right there folks.

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if they serve full strength beer, i'm in

From my experience passion doesn't always translate to intelligence. It tends to lead to a bit of tunnel vision and doesn't allow for balanced decision making. Members of the club should be consulted, but shouldn't have a role in club decision making. Leave it to people that know what they are doing ( hopefully the now exist/ are employed by a new entity)

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Originally Posted by idontwannaplaywithhowey

From my experience passion doesn't always translate to intelligence. It tends to lead to a bit of tunnel vision and doesn't allow for balanced decision making. Members of the club should be consulted, but shouldn't have a role in club decision making. Leave it to people that know what they are doing ( hopefully the now exist/ are employed by a new entity)

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Don't just assume because I carry on like a raving lunatic on the foz :brrr: that I can't actually offer intelligent debate accept alternate views and have piles of whack job ideas I need to shove down peoples throats. :rof:

Nearly all our loyal fans who have stuck by the club and shown their passion for the cause this season have a fair idea what the issues are that consume the club.

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Originally Posted by plague

Actually screw it, let's just build a 5,000 seat stadium and pack the joint out each week with real fans.

Less work for admin trying to find new fans, less hassle for the elite fans like the Member having to rub shoulders with the great unwashed.

That's a win win right there folks.

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Can we cut it down to 3k Capacity

I really want to be subjective as to making sure the better quality elite fans who really have earned their stripes are allowed in only :rof:

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Originally Posted by MFKS

A core aim should always be to look after your existing fan (customer) and treat them well. If you are doing this well most of your problems don't appear
I totally disagree with this hell bent desire people have to engage the casual customer. It is always done at the expense of the existing core you have. The 5k who were showing up in the back end of last season are the ones we should be looking after first and foremost as they are there when the chips are down

You also keep bringing up humility as being an issue and I will return serve that loyalty is just as important an issue. Chasing the casual fan at the expense of the rusted on support is a huge issue as it shows a lack of respect to the existing fans

ALWAYS TREAT YOUR EXISTING CUSTOMERS BETTER THAN YOU TREAT YOUR NEW CUSTOMERS.
You manage to do this well and your new customers soon become existing customers.

From their loyalty grows

As for your jump in crowds in 2006-07 the ladder position of the side, them winning games and them playing exciting football are the only reasons for the spike. It is a bandwagon ride the club was on and those days don't last forever. Why you feel the need to go out and chase these people defies logic. They are not "PASSIONATE FOOTBALL" fans and are people who enjoy the good times and the latest fad. They jump on and off everything and at the time The Jets were the fad.

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What I cannot understand from your position is that you automatically assume that trying to engage the 'casual' fan is at the expense of your so called 'non plastic' fans.

Maybe it is just me but I would think that measures put it place that would make people want to come week in week out, instead of occasionally, would likely in turn benefit the people that already go as well.

Trying to understand why people don't consume your product is a massive part of developing a business. Just as important as keeping the existing users happy.

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Originally Posted by plague

Actually screw it, let's just build a 5,000 seat stadium and pack the joint out each week with real fans.

Less work for admin trying to find new fans, less hassle for the elite fans like the Member having to rub shoulders with the great unwashed.

That's a win win right there folks.

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If there's a pool I'm in :lulzturtle:

Something I read from all of yesterday was that the team would be using the Speers Point facility as their base until everything is sorted.

Which brings up the need for the Speers Point facility to have an in-built gym, again.

That place is absolutely perfect for a HAL team base - if a gym was added imo.

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