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02-03-2017, 09:03 AM
Grimario

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Originally Posted by Bon

I like your thinking..
However, with our coaches amazing scouting connections, we all know we are only going to get a choice of a few Adelaide youth or youth women players..

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Originally Posted by Grimario

Nailed on to sign someone like Dylan Smith... meets all of Jones criteria. Former Adelaide Youth player, now plays in SA NPL with Adelaide City.

Look at these two cynical ****wits with the same opinion.
02-03-2017, 09:25 AM
The Camel

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Originally Posted by Jeterpool

Are there players in the league we would look at to replace Hoole? If we are looking to replace certain attributes of his game, we need speed and the ability to play 90 minutes - he's the only Jets player to have started all games he has been available for selection and not be substituted.

What is Nathan Burns doing? Would Chris Harold be an option?

Would we move Brown back to the positon behind the striker, get a striker who works very hard and carry a luxury player like a Castro? What Brisbane Roar Youth player can we pinch?

Not 90 mins but Fahid Ben Kalfallah would be a great replacement/upgrade on Hoole
02-03-2017, 09:34 AM
Jeterpool

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Originally Posted by The Camel

Not 90 mins but Fahid Ben Kalfallah would be a great replacement/upgrade on Hoole

I'm not sure we'd get Fahid for the same coin Hoole would be on/offered - he would be expecting a lot more.

Personally, I think he's been worked out and past it. But he's an option.
02-03-2017, 09:34 AM
Jeterpool

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Originally Posted by Grimario

Look at these two cynical ****wits with the same opinion.

Yeah, you gotta remember what you say in your multi account.
02-03-2017, 09:39 AM
Grimario

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Originally Posted by Jeterpool

Yeah, you gotta remember what you say in your multi account.

Thanks, Captain Obvious.
02-03-2017, 10:14 AM
Bon

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Originally Posted by Jeterpool

Yeah, you gotta remember what you say in your multi account.

The major difference between us, is that I can play table tennis.. :gent:
02-03-2017, 10:16 AM
Grimario

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Originally Posted by Bon

The major difference between us, is that I can play table tennis.. :gent:

You've met me... I am lucky to play anything.

Oh wait, that's right... you flaked on that meet up and drink beer schedule that pv4 was organising.
02-03-2017, 10:18 AM
Bon

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Originally Posted by Grimario

You've met me... I am lucky to play anything.

Oh wait, that's right... you flaked on that meet up and drink beer schedule that pv4 was organising.

I think the key problem in this saga has been highlighted..
02-03-2017, 10:19 AM
Jeterpool

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Originally Posted by Bon

I think the key problem in this saga has been highlighted..

It's a common problem, to be fair. :rof:
02-03-2017, 10:20 AM
Grimario

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Originally Posted by Bon

I think the key problem in this saga has been highlighted..

:rof:

Bloody coasties.
02-03-2017, 11:47 AM
halo se7en

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Originally Posted by MFKS

You ****s will do anything to justify keeping these two at the club.

Let's just look at it straight up

Has Kantarovski done enough to warrant a new deal??
No

Then let him go

Has Bk done enough to warrant a new deal??
No
Then let him go

**** your sentiment right off
We been shit for the last 10 years

Why??
Because we keep giving contracts to those that don't ****ing perform

Yet you want Jones to stay.
02-03-2017, 12:17 PM
WolfMan

Interesting question RE: Hoole's replacement.

One I don't have an answer for. I'd love to keep Hoole for the next 6 months, but it's his (and his agent's) decision to try their luck abroad.
02-03-2017, 01:13 PM
Guerny

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Originally Posted by Grimario

... using money outside the cap on the only players we have that are eligible for it and instead getting two equally shit players in and reducing the quality of the rest of the squad as a result.

So you've acknowledged that they are shit players but still want the club to waste two squad positions on them (and actually pay them)...
yep... you're logic is flawless... let's keep encouraging the mediocrity because we can save some funds in the cap.

As an alternative we could just, you know, recruit better players into those two squad spots.
02-03-2017, 01:28 PM
Grimario

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Originally Posted by Guerny

So you've acknowledged that they are shit players but still want the club to waste two squad positions on them (and actually pay them)...
yep... you're logic is flawless... let's keep encouraging the mediocrity because we can save some funds in the cap.

As an alternative we could just, you know, recruit better players into those two squad spots.

Recruit better players how? By paying everyone $30k less than teams using the marquee and outside cap provisions? Bravo, MFKS v2.

Well done on following logic.
02-03-2017, 01:49 PM
Jeterpool

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Originally Posted by Guerny

As an alternative we could just, you know, recruit better players into those two squad spots.

Are you the guy in this week's David Squires Cartoon?

http://www.newcastlefootball.net/for...4&d=1488422911

http://www.newcastlefootball.net/for...5&d=1488422911

Attachment 1404 Attachment 1405
https://www.theguardian.com/football...ampions-league
02-03-2017, 01:59 PM
Wilso8948

I can sort of see both sides of the argument however many mentions regarding this spending is outside the cap however no one has mentioned that Mr Lee would most likely have an overall squad budget to work to as well..
02-03-2017, 02:27 PM
The Dunster

People do realise it is Scott Miller's new club that Hoole is looking to sign with ?
02-03-2017, 02:28 PM
Grimario

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Originally Posted by Wilso8948

I can sort of see both sides of the argument however many mentions regarding this spending is outside the cap however no one has mentioned that Mr Lee would most likely have an overall squad budget to work to as well..

Yeah, the argument I am making is very much around WHY other clubs have much better squads. Someone like Broxham has been at MV since he started, would almost definitely be getting paid out of the loyalty amount and then the rest of his wages that would be inside the cap for chumps like us, spent on improving the rest of the squad. Throw in two marquees and suddenly the gap grows. And if we aren't going to have a back up GK and versatile mid/def as PART of that outside the cap spend (because they are the only ones who qualify for it), then they aren't even worth discussing as options, IMO.
02-03-2017, 02:37 PM
monz6

Bring David carney home
02-03-2017, 02:41 PM
Jeterpool

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Originally Posted by monz6

Bring David carney home

He already went home
02-03-2017, 03:05 PM
StannyCFCJET

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Originally Posted by monz6

Bring David carney home

He loves training with the socceroos too much
02-03-2017, 03:24 PM
Jeterpool

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Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET

He loves training with the socceroos too much

:rof:
02-03-2017, 03:34 PM
Guerny

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Originally Posted by Grimario

Yeah, the argument I am making is very much around WHY other clubs have much better squads. Someone like Broxham has been at MV since he started, would almost definitely be getting paid out of the loyalty amount and then the rest of his wages that would be inside the cap for chumps like us, spent on improving the rest of the squad. Throw in two marquees and suddenly the gap grows. And if we aren't going to have a back up GK and versatile mid/def as PART of that outside the cap spend (because they are the only ones who qualify for it), then they aren't even worth discussing as options, IMO.

I understand what your saying, and i agree a couple of marquees outside the cap would definitely see us better able to compete wage wise with other clubs.

I just don't agree that the marginal cap saving advantage that re-signing these two players (who should be on min wage) allows, outweighs the downside of bringing down the overall quality of the squad by encouraging these mediocre signings.

If we did get a couple of quality marquees and ALSO stopped paying overs for the players that wouldn't get a run at another club... then we're onto something.
02-03-2017, 03:42 PM
Grimario

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Originally Posted by Guerny

I understand what your saying, and i agree a couple of marquees outside the cap would definitely see us better able to compete wage wise with other clubs.

I just don't agree that the marginal cap saving advantage that re-signing these two players (who should be on min wage) allows, outweighs the downside of bringing down the overall quality of the squad by encouraging these mediocre signings.

If we did get a couple of quality marquees and ALSO stopped paying overs for the players that wouldn't get a run at another club... then we're onto something.

You consider a 300k saving in the cap as marginal?

Also, you talk about BK and BK as if they are two players that are of Sam Gallagher or John Welsh standard. They are both exactly the type of players that a Melbourne or Sydney would keep around as serviceable squad depth.
02-03-2017, 03:53 PM
Jeterpool

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Originally Posted by Grimario

You consider a 300k saving in the cap as marginal?

Also, you talk about BK and BK as if they are two players that are of Sam Gallagher or John Welsh standard. They are both exactly the type of players that a Melbourne or Sydney would keep around as serviceable squad depth.

I think Kantarovski has been quite reasonable this year. He started well in the first few weeks while Poljak was injured and kept him on the bench until he was forced to CB. Last weekend I thought he hit the ground running.

He's undoubtably got injury issues, which must be considered if he is re-signed - perhaps incentive contract based on appearances.

As it stands, if we want to take advantage of this exemption, Kanta and BK are the only two who fit the critera.

I think whoever said earlier that it depends on what Lee budgets outside the cap spend will be a massive influence. James Gardiner tweeted yesterday that the Jets expect to lose $2 million this year. If they have, say, $500,000 allocated will we spend it all on a marquee (leaving the cap for 22 players) or on the 2 long serving players and an NPL player (leaving the cap for 20 players). Spending it on the 3 players boosts squad depth and as Grimario has repeatedly stated allows a greater amount, on average, to be spent per player.
02-03-2017, 04:01 PM
The Dunster

So is it ok to boo Hoole whenever he gets near the ball now ? I mean the seasons practically over now without much hope of being in the finals. Seems only fair we take out our frustrations out on Hoole [Benedict Arnold]
02-03-2017, 04:01 PM
WolfMan

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Originally Posted by The Dunster

People do realise it is Scott Miller's new club that Hoole is looking to sign with ?

Who he never played under. EDIT - except for pre-season .What is your point here?
02-03-2017, 04:04 PM
The Dunster

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Originally Posted by WolfMan

Who he never played under. What is your point here?

Sorry, I thought Hoole signed when Miller was coach. The Telegraph even had Miller commenting about him signing with the Jets from Sydney FC

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/spo...0eb266f174a2d7
02-03-2017, 04:07 PM
WolfMan

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Originally Posted by The Dunster

So is it ok to boo Hoole whenever he gets near the ball now ? I mean the seasons practically over now without much hope of being in the finals. Seems only fair we take out our frustrations out on Hoole [Benedict Arnold]

I'm reading sarcasm here, at least I hope so.

The 1 year deal we signed Hoole to was perfect. He flops as I guess most of us expected - no big deal. As it goes, he's started to hit his straps, albeit not with the greatest consistency, and we had hopes of extending his stay.

The bloke might be known as a bit of a silly billy sometimes, but fair play if he feels he is up for an overseas stint
02-03-2017, 04:08 PM
WolfMan

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Originally Posted by The Dunster

Sorry, I thought Hoole signed when Miller was coach

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/spo...0eb266f174a2d7

Yeh I added the pre-season part afterward, my bad. Point taken, I knew there was one I just didn't see it at first. Cheers
02-03-2017, 04:29 PM
Jeterpool

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Originally Posted by The Dunster

Sorry, I thought Hoole signed when Miller was coach. The Telegraph even had Miller commenting about him signing with the Jets from Sydney FC

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/spo...0eb266f174a2d7

Miller did FFA cup. Hoole did play under him
02-03-2017, 04:36 PM
StannyCFCJET

If Hoole goes overseas hell get a shock of how below standard he is atm and I can see him returning to the aleague in a few years
02-03-2017, 04:41 PM
Grimario

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Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET

If Hoole goes overseas hell get a shock of how below standard he is atm and I can see him returning to the aleague in a few years

Depends where he goes. He's not going to cut it in any of the big leagues but if he ends up in Norway or Denmark, I don't think he will struggle as badly.
02-03-2017, 04:45 PM
StannyCFCJET

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Originally Posted by Grimario

Depends where he goes. He's not going to cut it in any of the big leagues but if he ends up in Norway or Denmark, I don't think he will struggle as badly.

He obviously thinks he's better then he is. Hopefully he gets some humble pie when he gets overseas
02-03-2017, 04:47 PM
Grimario

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Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET

He obviously thinks he's better then he is. Hopefully he gets some humble pie when he gets overseas

Players of similar caliber are earning more money in Europe... why wouldn't he go for that cash, regardless of how good he is?
02-03-2017, 05:06 PM
StannyCFCJET

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Originally Posted by Grimario

Players of similar caliber are earning more money in Europe... why wouldn't he go for that cash, regardless of how good he is?

Can we honestly say from what weve seen this season Hoole is any better than aleague standard?
02-03-2017, 05:15 PM
Grimario

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Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET

Can we honestly say from what weve seen this season Hoole is any better than aleague standard?

I think you're grossly over estimating the quality in some of the European leagues he's been linked with.
02-03-2017, 05:26 PM
StannyCFCJET

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Originally Posted by Grimario

I think you're grossly over estimating the quality in some of the European leagues he's been linked with.

I probably am and are those league your thinking of better then Aleague standard??
02-03-2017, 05:56 PM
Jetmaster

Hoole is making the same mistake as Taggart - getting ahead of himself and going a season too early.
02-03-2017, 06:05 PM
The Dunster

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Originally Posted by Jetmaster

Hoole is making the same mistake as Taggart - getting ahead of himself and going a season too early.

Could also be a case of them going ten years too late as well. They may have done better playing youth football in Europe rather than in Australia.

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