PFA have said Tinks is a naughty boy
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PFA have said Tinks is a naughty boy
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That's the KO FM one from earlier, I was on ABC after ClackaQuote:
Originally Posted by OmeletteDuFromage
Interesting quote from that Zane video - "I think this has been building for some time, having talked to some of the players after. I'm sure the previous management were aware that this tension was growing"
Wasn't Clayton the aforementioned "previous management"?
Can't get that link to work?Quote:
Originally Posted by furns
Weird. Anyway link fixedQuote:
Originally Posted by WolfMan
Furns, your performance as a media pundit has been outstanding. Well done.
Cheers.
Trying to remain level headed is difficult ffs :lol:
Is he? Pissing off every single player? Or just the experienced, now ex-Jets players that have evidently been playing like a busted arse this season and realise maybe their days of easy $$ just for showing up are no more?Quote:
Originally Posted by pv4
Been away on a camping trip. Anything happen over the past week?
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Originally Posted by Couscous
Nothing much.
Temperature droppedQuote:
Originally Posted by Couscous
couldn't keep away for 3 more days hey.....Quote:
Originally Posted by baldrick
Yes, every player. The exact squad that agreed as a group, represented by the senior players, to approach the PFA about the issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by halo se7en
NBN news has reported that stubbins addressed the playing squad this morning regarding the sackings yesterday and at the end asked if there was any further concerns going forward, allegedly 3 players stood up and said they will now only play for the fans and not for stubbins.
Sackings round two to come?
these blokes are made of steel, who are they? they need kudosQuote:
Originally Posted by Pico
Caravella, jeronimo and Neville is my mail.
agreedQuote:
Originally Posted by hawk
Very eye opening interview with Tinks on ABC this afternoon. Made a few new statements which are interesting
* That Hoole effectively left because he didn't get on with the senior players or that the culture created by the senior players stifles the younger players.
* That Stubbins has only bought 3 players to the club meaning the other 6 or so new players were signed by Middleby
He also sounded quite rational. Stated he would be addressing the squad next week and attending alot more games in future.
Complete horse shit on Hoole.Quote:
Originally Posted by borat
Every time I seen him he was in Griffo's pocket
I also heard he was offered 110k and Smurfs offered the same and the only reason he walked is the club being a disaster
Another source on Twitter claims the disciplinary reasons behind the sacking of one player are a lot more serious than people realise and nothing to do with the revolt
[edit - source is a player agent and seems credible. Claims police involvement]
I wouldn't believe a thing that came out of Tinklers mouth in that interview.
Said some things that out of the mouth of anyone else (like a stable owner/chairman/CEO) I may have given more credence to, but out of his mouth its nothing but delivering his story.
He is pretty young, maybe he is telling both sides what they want to hear.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
Hoole is hanging on Griffo's every word.Quote:
Originally Posted by borat
Tinks is full of shit on this subject
Tinks taking advice from Stubbins.
This is why people with zero football knowledge shouldn't be the sole decision makers.
It'd be like me running a construction company or mechanical engineering firm and sack my experienced employees based on advice from the the first year apprentices
I am not doubting you, just saying a 19 explaining his reasons to someone as imposing as Nathan Tinkler may stretch the truth to make a difficult conversation go a little easier.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
I have certainly quit jobs where I couldn't stand the joint but told them I was resigning for other reasons so not to burn bridges
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Originally Posted by borat
That's why I tweeted about the Divide and Conquer thing. Sounds rational until you look at the whole history of his ownership, his appointments to roles, and now criticising Palmer and Middleby, and yet is now showing a complete disregard for the collective bargaining agreement and contract terms with players. Didn't even bother to notify them that he had terminated them.
He is making himself out to be an innocent victim but the facts don't match his story. He is trying to get the gullable onside. Yeah right, he's squeaky clean.
A few prickly questions showed his temper wasn't far from the surface eg. the outstanding debt and his FFA response.
Would trust him as far as I could throw him...so I guess that means I don't trust him at all.
. If the players are being paid their entitlements in full where is the disregard for contract terms?Quote:
Originally Posted by hausmann
The PFA statement said that under the CBA it either has to be a mutually agreed termination or a termination on grounds of a breach by the players. Since the players hadn't breached their contracts, the only way to get rid of them is by mutually agreed termination, and they obviously had no prior knowledge because some of them were not even notified before it hit the media.Quote:
Originally Posted by borat
It goes against the principle of maintaining the good name of an innocent player, as it could severly impact their future career. I think it should be grounds for legal damages on top of contract payout.
How can you trust a guy who says he is going to change the culture of a club for the better when he acts like a cvnt changing the culture?
Well saidQuote:
Originally Posted by hausmann
I don't trust Tinkler either, but I think despite that he may have finally made a good call. As long as the players receive all their entitlements under their contract I have no problem moving them on.Quote:
Originally Posted by hausmann
I don't see the claim for damages and this is a topic I know a bit about.
Well that is the line the PFA are taking and it makes sense to me. They are basically saying that there is no mutually agreed termination so as far as they are concerned the players are still employed by the Jets. If Tinkler is willing to unfairly dismiss them he will be in breach of contract. That is their line in the sand.Quote:
Originally Posted by borat
Whether it is a good call or not, the way he has done it should show you that nothing cultural will change because he is still the one acting like a cvnt and he will still be there.Quote:
Originally Posted by borat
whats happening in mining industry, not quite the first year apprentices but yeah..... its beyond a joke... i just feel i can stand and be there for all you guys back home :(Quote:
Originally Posted by GazFish35
if said player agent is bridges then credible may not be the word for him (i have no knowledge about any of this, just thinking out loud)Quote:
Originally Posted by borat
You obviously don't know Andrew, don't think he hangs on anyone's every word.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
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Originally Posted by hawk
These 3 just earned hero pointsQuote:
Originally Posted by Blackmac79
agreeQuote:
Originally Posted by hausmann
i dont want him to even try. feels like dirty whore money. get out ya grub.
http://www.foxsports.com.au/football...20Bloodletting over as Jets prepare for new eraQuote:
A-League: Newcastle Jets coach Phil Stubbins says sackings needed to change environment
Barry Toohey The Daily Telegraph January 29, 2015 11:11PM SHARE
UNDER-FIRE Newcastle Jets coach Phil Stubbins has broken his silence over the mass sackings at the club, saying five years of sub-standard results had forced the hand of owner Nathan Tinkler.
But he dismissed calls for his own head after a season that has yielded just one win from 15 matches, telling The Daily Telegraph on Thursday night his sacking would not fix the club’s losing culture.
Tinkler stunned the A-League on Wednesday night when he terminated the contracts of leading players Joel Griffiths, David Carney, Kew Jaliens, Billy Celeski and Adrian Madashi.
It followed the axing earlier in the day of three of Stubbins’ coaching staff including his assistant Clayton Zane.
Late on Thursday, the Professional Footballers Australia players’ union weighed in, warning the Jets of potential court action if the terminations aren’t reversed, claiming they were unlawful.
But Stubbins, who has been widely criticised for his role in the blood-letting, said significant change was needed across the board to properly address the club’s problems.
“There has been five years of suffering here which hasn’t just happened overnight,” he said.
“Some tough decisions have been made which were very difficult but they have been made with a view to fixing the problems.”
Defending his own position against claims he should have been sacked himself, Stubbins said getting rid of the coach was the easy option.
“They’ve tried sacking coaches here in the past but it hasn’t worked ” Stubbins said, referring to the Jets axing of former coaches Branko Culina and Gary van Egmond.
“Getting rid of the coach - that’s what usually happens when a team under-performs but it’s the environment that needs to change.
“If another coach exits here, what changes? Nothing changes in my view. The past five years prove that.
“So many players have left this club and gone on to have success elsewhere. They have gone to a more effective environment - it’s simple.”
Stubbins admits he has a major challenge on his hands to turn fortunes around quickly and win over the complete support of the remaining players left at the club.
He met briefly with the playing group early on Thursday as Tinkler declared the blood-letting was over.
“There’s some angst here at the moment which is understandable but the new Newcastle Jets will be a more aligned professional environment that allows for more effective outcomes,” Stubbins said.
“The meetings today have been about pulling together and moving forward in a positive fashion.”
Ousted assistant coach Zane, who will be replaced by Jets Youth coach James Pascoe in the role, admitted his sacking had caught him off-guard but said he was feeling more for the players who’d been terminated.
He believed the relationship between the playing group and Stubbins had been waning for some time.
“In doing what they did, they obviously felt it was in the best interests of the club,” Zane said.
Players’ union boss Vivian said legal avenues will be investigated if Tinkler refused to remedy the situation in relation to the sacked players immediately.
“We have a collective bargaining agreement (CBA) in place and it must be complied with,” CEO Adam Vivian said.
“The actions of the club in attempting to terminate the contracts of the players without satisfactory justification are not in accordance with the CBA.
“Accordingly, it is the position of the PFA that all five players remain contracted members of the squad and are protected by the CBA.”
This bloke is delusional! Yes we need to fix the culture of the club but Stubbins has failed at that and made it worse and now thinks he can turn it around. Get the **** out of our club.
Something that Stubbins has failed to mention, or perhaps even notice, is that the two coaches the club have sacked (GVE, Culina) have not been touched at all by an A-League club since they were sacked. So that tells me that not only was it evident to us, but the entire league, that they were not up to scratch.
If the club has a history/culture of hiring coaches that are not up to standard, that would mean Phil was picked from that culture.