MFKS is right. Sh|t happens in football. Teams should always aim for that 2 or 3 goal margin in case. We couldn't.
Thomas won the game; he was astounding. Roy was battered and angry and, ultimately, incredibly reckless and stupid. You think we would have won in extra time playing a man down?
And re: the VAR cock-up, yes it was astoundingly bad, but it's the kind of mistake organisations learn from. One tiny benefit.
Lawrence Thomas for me was the game changer, if his first half wasn't as good as it was at minimum we were going into that second half 1-1.
Unfortunately the Jets also shot themselves in the foot in the second half, just didn't come at them with the same energy and didn't pepper them nearly enough. If we played to the same level as we did in the first I feel like we surely would've nabbed one.
Obviously there are things out of the Jets control such as poor reffing and the VAR incident that also 100% led to us not pulling away with a win.
And i hate being this guy, but at least there's a silver lining in that a team that was wooden spooners last year just competed in the grand final and just about won the whole thing. We have almost the same team for next season, with the same coach so if we can move some stuff around, sort out some kinks and get them back into it for next season, i see no reason why we can't replicate very similar results
FFA....."we'll fairly award the Championship to the best team and that is Sydney FC".
Do you think Roy would have been so desperate at 0-0?Quote:
Originally Posted by Couscous
And it’s not just bitter Jets fans. The consensus is that we were well & truly robbed. If that goal is disallowed, Victory don’t shut up shop. The ref let them drag the game into the ****ing mud after that and it was game over. Yep Thomas made some great saves but Moss didn’t- because MV didn’t even threaten our goal. I can admit we could have performed a lot better, but MV sure as hell didn’t deserve to lift the trophy for their performance.
Is this karma for the James Holland handball 10yrs ago.
The sooner the running of the actual competition is taken away from the FFA shit like this will always be the norm. They are accountable only to themselves and whilst that incompetent ( history proven ) Gallop and buy my position Lowy Jnr are running it and employing scapegoats such as Rourke and previously Damien de Bohun, Remember the amateurish lets forget to book a stadium for the GF under de Bohun a few years ago.
If it weren't for the fact the FFA is so obviously incompetent you could almost make a case for an inquiry in to whether the organisation has a corrupt presence within it. I am NOT saying it is but with all the inconsistencies we have seen in recent times you could hardly blame any fan for thinking an inquiry would be a good thing for the game in general.
BTW there is no way in hell somebody like Ben Wilson can continue in his role in the game for starters.
WTF you talking about??Quote:
Originally Posted by halo se7en
They got a goal by hook or by crook
Then they defended well
Their keeper pulled a couple of saves out of his arse to keep them in front
They gave away fouls
They ran the clock down
They frustrated the opposition
They ground out the result
If that was us we be talking about how great we were to grind out a result when not playing scinitilating football
The idea last night wasnt to play joga bonito
The idea was to get the result
Victory did and they did it pretty well.
They were not free flowing great but they actually out fought us physically out thought us mentally and won the battle where it mattered
Credit where it is due
They won fair and square
Roy needed to pull his head in regardless of the scorelineQuote:
Originally Posted by halo se7en
As soon as he got carded it cost us any hope
We had a slim chance of pulling it out
Goals in injury time happen but thgat card cost us what little chance we had
2 of our biggest games of the season and this bloke has cost his team by getting sent off needlessly .
Not ****ing good enough really
Except they didn’t.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
I know you’ve been away for a while but at least read the whole post AND the post I was replying to before shooting your mouth off.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
Someone made the comment that at 0-0, that action from Roy would have cost us in extra time. My comment was that at 0-0, Roy probably doesn’t make that action.
They were the beneficiary of an incorrect refereeing decision just as we were the beneficiary the week before when Johnny K fouled Arzani and we got away with it fortuitouslyQuote:
Originally Posted by halo se7en
Swings and Roundabouts
So Tards didnt cheat they just played to the referees whistle and got a decision their way which we didnt
Unless ypu got some proof that Muscat met Gillette with a bag full of cash in King Edward Park yesterday morning then all that happened was Victory got a generous ref call their way and nothing more.
That football
Deal with it
It's not good enough to just come out and say it was a technical error. Is this like saying pre-var the linesman chosen for the game had known to suffer from poor vision. You want to introduce this fancy pants technology you gotta build and provide an available/bullet proof system. In the end the guys marking that line would be taking a risk to expose offside also knowing that it would be captured on VAR if the linesman "failed to see it". It has definitely influenced the game and outcome.
How far does this go, playing devils advocate, if VAR goes down, is it also the equivalent of the lights at the ground turning off/power outage, should it be detected and play stop? This would be yet another "test case" to show the world of the VAR frailties.
Yes, yes, yes, overall we should have done better and to also complete some of our opportunities. Ernesto has been great in getting our players to make many many more attacking opportunities this year but sometimes/some games it felt like we couldn't take them...... This was another of those games.
Anyway, here is the photo to plaster it onto this foz to re-inforce how crap it was....... taken from eSaBeSa - via Fox
Attachment 1571
(https://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/arti...ion-admits-ffa).
Ernesto's post-game conference was pretty good.
It's easy to overlook how great this year was compared to previous years ........ Here's to next year....... arrrrrrgh
So the old if my auntie had balls she would be my uncle debate.Quote:
Originally Posted by halo se7en
Dont matter what could or should have occurred
At 90th minute 0-1 down in a GF
You dont do what Roy done.
He let his team mates down. He let the coach down. He let thge fans down
If we were 5-0 up and that was Hutcho then maybe you can justify it.5 5 5
But that was a scandalous act and a disgrace to the shirt in the circumstances
I hope Gypo Bert and Griff take some form of stronger action as a message needs to be sent that we as a club dont play that way
I think the biggest problem is that linesmen are being urged to “not flag borderline offsides” and to “let play unfold and let VAR sort it out”.
Was watching Victory semi final today and heard the commentators banging on about how great it is when linesmen let play go on and let var sort out the finer details of offside. FFS.
I really hope the linesmen got it wrong. I hope he didn’t think it was offside. I hope he didn’t let it go to var like everyone wants.’
Can you just go on about homophobic tirade and get banned again please? This place was so much better without your brand of stupidity.
i was thinking about everytime robbie slater, brenton speed and john aloisi implored the assistant to keep the flag down and let VAR sort it out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bremsstrahlung
Mate, will you read the other posts properly please? Or just get yourself banned again to avoid the frustration of talking to a brick wall. I'm not wasting my breath again for one.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
At the end of the day we did not play anywhere near our best football and what we are capable of. At our best we overcome that early ripp off setback in a canter. I do agree there is some decision making and a line drawn in the sand re Roy, No excuses desperation or not. We would be dead set baying for blood if the shoe was on the other foot ie Bess on Moss.
Bring on next season, Plenty to look forward too IMO. How many of us would have taken a home GF this season before the season proper kicked off in a heartbeat.Wonderful season all things considered.
Many thanks to JP and Turbo for the stats and media updates.
You cant be serious.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
Roy doesnt try a dangerous kick at 0-0. He is a hero for inflicting some comedic pain on the victards.
Gfs can get fkd. Not worth the hype when the ffa have to find excuses to get a team up.
Sticking with comp games, semis are for tv maybe.
Spot on. Give it another few days/weeks/a month for the GF hurt to subside and more people will get back to this point.Quote:
Originally Posted by 380
Ernie Merrick post match presser giving it to some journo
So, apparently the VAR software had a failure "about 30 seconds before Victory scored" and was "restored a few minutes after"
Hilarious... after this, I don't feel so bad about losing a GF anymore. It is pretty clear we were never going to win.
Being the best team on the park is the real result: the trophy is meaningless.
I found my ticket in the end: 120$ on tmresale for a seat right behind the Jets bench, row A. 3 hrs before the game. Phew.
Sh*t view, I moved to a GA area for the 2nd half :D
Good atmosphere but "cold" crowd: only reason why the whole stadium was not booing after the VAR mistake was exposed on the big screen is... about 10000 of them didn't know what "offside" is ;)
Spot on. maybe 15k.Quote:
Originally Posted by mic22
Its the "you're just lucky to be here" crowd. But i dd see lots of passion from many of the one timers so im not complain.
Pretty happy so many jumped on board from this league town.
Have heard that Roy doesn't remember much/anything after copping the elbow from "Bess"...Quote:
Originally Posted by hawk
Not condoning the kung-fu stuff, but I wouldn't be surprised if procedures for concussion were looked in to in the future.. (ala the thugby where he wouldn't have been allowed to come back on)
As for the rest of the game..
I don't want to get too far in to the whole VAR horsesh!t.. Absolute fvcking joke.. I was sitting in Bay 52, directly in line with it.. Ball goes in "Nah, old mate blondie was offside when he headed it back, you watch VAR bring it back, we are all good.... Yep, any minute now.. Here it comes........And..... WTF??"..
A few points:
- Member, if you can't see what everyones saying, then there is something wrong.. It DID change the game.. Yes we had chances, but it changed the game. Victory didn't have to attack anymore, they clogged everything up, compressed and didn't need to go forward. They wasted time, fell over at the drop of a hat, they ran the clock out and did it well. Yes, we would have done the same and ground out a result, but they got that opportunity BECAUSE of the refereeing error..
- Why weren't blokes like Ange's Rentboy (Troisi) and Berisha carded or looked in to for some of their tackles/elbows? There was a sliding, studs-up tackle from-behind early in the first half that Troisi did which was a yellow any day of the week, except GF day..
- The first half, we were all over them. We used the width of the pitch and kept pushing. Second half, everyone was so close together you could have thrown a blanket over the lot..
- Vargas looked a class above whenever he was on the ball.. Dimi and McGree looked dangerous each time they got it, however they were taken out of play in second half.. Poor old Johnny K had a rough night.. Even Georgie wasn't having the greatest game and was subbed pretty much to make sure he wasn't sent.. Poor old Hoffa and his open goal chances..
Overall, it hurts like buggery to have lost like that. However if you'd told me at the start of the season that we would be playing in the grand final, let alone actually hosting it in Nyeeeeeeeeewy, I would have taken it in a heartbeat..
I'm trying so hard to be "silver linings and all that" but can't help but feel disappointed and cut that it went down the way it did..
As others have said, perhaps it is karma for the gypos ten years ago, perhaps not..
That's football, can't wait to do it all again next season..
Heard bits of Berisha on ABC News, something that sounded like "yes it was offside but this team deserves to win because we work so hard all year".
That's alright then.
This is now a VAR issue - has anyone heard from VARk Bosnich at all? Can't wait for Hilly to get stuck in on the Fox pod tomorrow.
If something like this happens in the World Cup it will be mayhem.
The thing is I don't believe the FFA story for a second - I'm thinking it is something as stupid as Zetter not paying much attention and rushing (as Kenny Lowe said), or he got the teams mixed up and thought white was the Jets, or he was in the poo palace and got caught out. Surely there must have been a backup plan incase of equipment failure practiced a number of times over the last 12 months?
No VAR and this conversation would not be happening.
I think you've summed up the night, and our season, perfectly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bon
New season usually starts with a GF rematch doesn't it?
Would be a good way to get some punters back to MJS to kick the new season off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jetmaster
Great for marketing - the "rematch" we wanted.Quote:
Originally Posted by halo se7en
Good to see you managed to get a ticket - the VAR controversy will paper over the number of empty seats in the stadium and inability to reach capacity.Quote:
Originally Posted by mic22
Took a few days to digest.
My main gripe with the game was the coward of a Referee they put in charge. If he had a pair he would have dolled out a few yellows within the first 20 mins to settle the crap down and Victory would have been forced to actually try to pass the ball rather than hoof it up field and niggle us into playing like crap.
The VAR effectively nullified the result for history's sake but the spectacle was ruined by the referee. I don't think the VAR decision was made to hand Victory the win, I think the referee was given a directive to lean the playing field in Victory's way otherwise we would have ran rings around them all game and won 4-0. They way we started that game, no matter how good Thomas was he would have been breached.
Salty i know, but i'll survive.
Totally disagreeQuote:
Originally Posted by Bon
If the goal didnt come in the 9th minute Mus**** had his team set up to defend, disrupt the game and wait for a chance for Barbarousis Berisha Troisi or Plagues mate Leroy to take
Tactically he set up this way in minute 1 and the goal didnt change his strategy
End of the day Mus**** tactically outwitted Bert who failed to tweak much at all to change the game and its course
The decision to start neither Pato or Champness to offer genuine width against 2 makeshift fullbacks was a pretty bad call
By the time they come on they were unable to make enough of an impact
That's where my head went yesterday.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Hacker
Surely we have paid our due for that...surely after the last 10 years of crap we're able to move on. Hopefully that's our curse done.
I'm still gutted, still feel hollow.
I immediately moved on from the VAR debarcle but everything that's come out from it post game has me shaking my head. The goal stands if we're in a non-VAR world and serves the argument why we needed technology. Now we have it, it ****s up and serves the argument to get rid of it! I don't like it personally.
We were good for a goal in the first half but couldn't do what we've done all season and find the back of the net. Second, Victory were the better team. Lawrence Thomas had a blinder and deserved his JMM. An under rated shot stopper. Either team could have won it and I agree that had Gillett thrown a card around earlier the nature of the game could have changed but he didn't. The breaks in play killed any ability for us to gain momentum.
The crowd were quiet but I was in Bay 60 and we were trying our hardest!
I'll remember the performances and goals this season, but still doesn't feel great.
Oh, and Roy O'Donovan - what a dope. That's a shocking challenge and he will get ruled out for a few weeks, affecting his availability at the start of the next season. We need to get an additional striker.
I now fear the dismantling. I expect Dimi and Stevie U-G to get a move overseas. I think we will keep one of Vargas and Pato. Can't see McGree coming back (though I hope he does). That's our middle that needs replacing.
And to whoever started a petition to have the game replayed - FFS. Don't be so daft - you make us look like many of the clueless fans in the crowd on the weekend.
Outwitted??Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
Muscats tactics kept the score at 0-0. How does that mean he outwitted us?
I know you are trying to play up the "Member disagrees with everything" schtick you have going on, but Victory didn't play well on Saturday. They couldn't pass well, they didn't beat us on the counter much at all considering we were in all out attack mode for 80 minutes, they defended well but only inside their own box. I can't see how you can praise them for anything other than Thomas having a blinder in goals (which isn't really Muscats fault), fouling us into submission and then riding their luck.
The fact that we joined in on the shitty tackles and then stopped playing our game is a massive negative. But that can't be attributed to Victards and Muscat. We were maybe naive thinking that playing better than them for 90 minutes would win us the game, but Ernie set us up well enough to win.
They got lucky and we didn't deal with the niggle and long ball style of game well enough.
I found it funny listening to Muscat's presser that he said they were keen to play an attractive brand of football as well, but they were "prepared for" the aerial assault that Newcastle apparently threw at them. He had several goes at us for not playing good football, including saying stuff like "there were more headers than passes out there tonight", and that Merrick's comments about wanting to play free flowing football were a bit of a laugh.
Bit rich considering they really didn't offer that much from a football sense in the game other than to abuse the long leash the referee gave them in constantly breaking up the play.
It seemed to work and unfortunately Ernie wasn't able to get the lads to maintain their composure in the second half, and the occasion got to them a bit.
It stings to happen like this - but there has to be a loser on the night, and we put up a decent enough performance - let alone the season we've had.
Reading the Dimi "family" article in the Herald from Turbo's links, I'd like to think he's relatively settled here for now. I think Stevie still has some learning to do and hope he would be keen for another year under Merrick. Majority of the squad would surely have had to enjoyed this season immensely and would take something big for them to want to move on.
Vargas is reportedly keen to stay on - but will come down to talks between his agent and the club. I'd love to see him stay after his showings in the finals.
Pato I can give or take, won't be too upset if he goes but would be happy if he stayed as well.
McGree has grown immensely, given us drive forward and goal threat as well as being versatile. He will be a big miss.