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Ben Kelly would be up to 5 clubs I think..Quote:
Originally Posted by Speedymetric
Sills at Valentine, surely their big spending to be sitting 9th isn't acceptableQuote:
Originally Posted by hamburgler
Another than Bailey and Ben hay( no longer there) who else there is on big money?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stanley
I am not saying that the following are on big money, just brainstorming.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blueboy
Brown, Paul, Olzhiemer (no doubt butchered the spelling) might be on bigger money than average perhaps?
Where did Ben Hay go?Quote:
Originally Posted by Blueboy
Overseas holiday, think he returns just before end of seasonQuote:
Originally Posted by Aegon
Why is this incident not being looked into by northern. Wouldn't it be something that falls under their code of conduct. Surely a coach putting his hands on an opposition player can't be ignored or swept under the carpet by his employerQuote:
Originally Posted by Dontknowmuch
Really poor of Northern to not actQuote:
Originally Posted by Hurricane
So 17 teams maximum in the two men’s Premier grade comps next season and that includes Jets. My mail is if the Jets go to Sydney like they want and have applied for there will be two divisions of NPL 1 and 2 played over 3 rounds with 8 teams in each for senior grades and a flat based structure for youth grades with all teams in. Been told 2 clubs to almost guaranteed to be be in 2nd tier are Lakes and Valentine based not only on results but very poor facilities and only need a shower of rain and games called off. Valo also have no suitable lighting at CB complex. Last club to go down if Jets are not admitted to Sydney is interesting with both Adamstown and Charlestown in the firing line. All officially revealed after the Grand Final.
imo, If you meet the NPL standards as all of the current teams do, they shouldn't be relegated for facilities (unless of course their facilities didn't meet the criteria in the first place.....). Relegation should be on results, and the bottom 3? teams drop down.
I'm curious to see how this works. Will it improve attendances or diminish them?
For any club relegated, I imagine there will be a loss of revenue from sponsors at least.
Tell you what would be fun to watch. A 16 team NPL in 2020. Play eachother once then split into top 8/bottom 8. Welcome to your NPL1 and 2. Play eachother once. Finals for each.
That seems contrary to all other information released previously.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnno
Northern wanted a 12 team NPL competition with promotion/relegation. If they have 17 NPL licensed clubs then the intention was to run with 12 team NPL and a 10 team NL1 still. There would be the opportunity for the NPL licensed teams to promote from NL1 if they win the comp.
I like the idea of this as it gives teams like cooks hills, new lambton, etc the chance to retain their juniors and stop losing them to NPL clubs. However, I don't think it's going to be pretty watching Magic, Olympic, Jets Youth teams play the likes of Cessnock, Thornton, Singleton etc though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnno
The concerns raised about going to around 16 teams is that halfway through the season you have the prospect of clubs having nothing left to play for. Similar to watching Lakes, Adamstown or Valentine play each other now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bremsstrahlung
The Jets Youth also struggle for motivation as they really have nothing to play for week in, week out.
I would imagine the Youth NPL would only be teams in the NPL comps. Therefore Cessnock and Singo would not be part of the Youth NPL comp. So looking at between 16 or 17 teams plus North Coast, Mid North Coast and possibly Northern Inland.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aegon
Any idea what happens to teams that don't make NPL? Do they just go to Zone League or will there be a State League under NPL still?Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnno
That will be alot of money lost to NNSW thru registrations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reds Forever
What’s the point of NewFM if there are NPL 1 & 2.
No one cares about NewFM as it is and the better players are already playing NPL or even some playing ZPL with their mates.
NPL 1 with 8
NPL 2 with 9
The other NewFM teams who didn’t apply, back to ZL.
Jets will go to Sydney leaving 16 teams for Npl 1 and Npl 2 with the rest of the newfm teams relegated to Zone football.
NPL 1
Edgeworth
Broadmeadow
Hamilton
Lambton
Maitland
Weston
Azzurri
Adamstown or Lakes
NPL 2
Adamstown or Lakes
Valentine
Kahibah
Wallsend
West Wallsend
Cooks Hill
Belswans
South Cardiff
With promotion and relegation between Npl 1 and 2
The question here is: do all current NPL sides meet the facilities criteria? Having read the criteria, I can tell you with certainty that many current NPL sides do not meet the standard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bremsstrahlung
It will be damn hard to keep Cooks Hill out of NPL1. They have a history of performance, the juniors, the money and the ground.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hurricane
Based on performance, grounds, juniors and any combination of the three, this would be my comps come the revolution:
NPL 1
1 Edgeworth
2 Broadmeadow
3 Hamilton
4 Lambton
5 Maitland
6 Weston
7 Azzurri
8 Cooks Hill
NPL 2
1 Lakes
2 Valentine
3 Kahibah
4 Wallsend
5 West Wallsend
6 Belswans
7 South Cardiff
8 Adamstown
Relegating 3 from the current NPL will cause much wailing and gnashing of teeth, but to give Cooks Hill a deserved shot then 3 go down unless they are happy with uneven numbers in the two comps or want a bye. Could they go 9 an 7? Possible.
Oh, and 3 rounds please.
A shame about Thornton. Such a growth area.
Youth: all in together. Yep, there will be smashings but they will lessen over time thanks to SAP or equivalent programmes. Allow Mid North Coast and North Coast to be part of the youth comp
The above scenarios are all dependent on the NPL licenses being issued.
If 16 clubs have applied (not including the Jets), there’s a likelihood that some of them won’t be granted.
Then we might end up with a 12,13 or 14 team competition anyway.
Azzurri 3-0 over Buds tonight. Been a very tough year for Buds supporters!
If Jets go to Sydney than two leagues of 8, 21 rounds everyone play each other three times. With promotion and relegationQuote:
Originally Posted by Hunter403
As for Youth you can still have NPL1 and NPL2 but have the youth in one or two based on past performance. Possible to have Youth in NPL1 and seniors in NPL2 and vice versa. Promote and relegate the Youth based on a club championship between U16-U13. Those clubs that develop Youth and promote strong youth teams will see their youth in NPL1 while those that don't will have their youth in NPL2
As for Thornton, that Thornton want to play at Thornton Oval means they can't have such a shit field in the NPL, shouldn't even be in NewFM
It's more a shame for New Lambton, large club, strong teams across all grades, plenty of money.
What happened to New Lambton hitting the NPL? I was informed via public meetings they were pushing hard at the beginning of the year.
Apparently they didn't apply.Quote:
Originally Posted by Negative Police
Puzzling. As mentioned strong right through to U23's. Huge player base.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hunter403
Im sure Foley was building up to promotion. I think if they are waiting to build through the juniors they may leave first.
If they decide to go to two 8 team comps it will be an absolute disaster. They want to generate interest but by the time they get to the third round there will be none, just like the a-league. If teams are eligible to play NPL make a 14 team comp then. More games = more development. The people who think 2x 8 team tiers is a good idea are delirious.
I understand your thoughts behind your ideas.Quote:
Originally Posted by ABCDEF
But, what about the dilution of the competition? The bottom couple of teams in the NPL now are struggling. I think the separation would be a lot worse between the top teams and the bottom. The better ran, and successful teams will always attract the majority of the best players.
Secondly, the top couple of clubs would lose a player or two because of a player chasing money, and that's fine, to each his own. But those top teams who have lost a quality player or two will struggle to compete with the other top NPL teams then. In only been last 5-8 years that Newcastle teams have competed very well with other top NPL teams. I don't think the competition as a whole would like to lose that reputation.
I'm happy for someone to poke holes in my thoughts. Just my 2 cents.
15 games 1st rnd, 7 games second then Semis. All teams still classed as NPL and end up where they deserve.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bremsstrahlung
There will not be much change at all NNSWF have said they want a 10 team comp and would prefer 2 NPL divisions, but if they could only get 1 they would have NL1.
So if Jets go to Sydney only change will be Valentine out due to ground has changed since original acceptance. Cooks Hill promoted so NNSWF can have a good news story. If Jets stay Valentine gone and no one promoted.
No teams are going back to Zone football as this would wipe over 100k from NNSWF revenue.
So NL1 will have teams with a NPL Licence and without, if a team with a Licence wins the comp they will be promoted. If a Club wins the Minor Premiership without a Licence no promotion that year.
For NNSWF it’s a win.
10 team comp , Promotion / relegation and keep all the Money.
Clubs without a licence have until end of 2021 to apply for a Licence as Zone Clubs can apply then.
That'd be to confusing for the average joe to figure out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Negative Police
I think this would be more acceptable.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFOvldn_IRw
As with most things in local football, the rumour and innuendo is short on fact. New Lambton FC did not apply because despite attempts to satisfy their due dilligence with NNSWF, they could not find common ground on what a new look NPL would look like. Nor any satisfaction that an NPL would look any different to what an NPL currently looks like in NNSWF which, (if we are honest), is a competition short on quality, depth, youth development, gender equality and suitable resources (Magic Park the best in Newcastle is testament to this). The 17 clubs who have applied fall into 2 buckets, the existing NPl clubs who are all but guaranteed, and the NL1 clubs who have applied thinking that they had to in order to stay in a second tier (or who genuinely think they can go up). The criteria is stretching for 10 teams, let alone 17. It is the preference of the NNSWF Board to see a 12 team NPL. Any less and the miniscule relevance that NNSWF has on the national stage now is diluted further. If The Jets go to Sydney (unlikely that they have the cash), two spaces open up. Cooks Hill and South Cardiff have the facilities albeit both will require work and probably $80k -$100k in capital to cover wages for players and staff. All other teams then fall into whatever a second tier looks like. NL1, Northern Second Division, NNSWF Conference League, whatever. It wont be branded a NPL 2 as there wont be enough teams compliant with an NPL licence to form a competition to justify Premier status. If Cooks Hill and Southy go it leaves Kahibah, West Wallsend, Wallsend, Belswans looking for opposition. NNSWF have confirmed, that any club can apply for an NPL licence from 2021 and any underlying second tier club would need to win a second tier AND meet all requirements for NPL, to gain promotion. If a compliant club does win a second tier, an NPL club will be relegated. NNSWF might put a cap that there needs to be at least 60% of second tier clubs who do qualify to enact this rule. It may take a few years. New Lambton sources that I know are smart dudes. They satisfied every part of NPL criteria except a ground but they have a very close association to both The Newcastle Council and State and Federal Members that sees them well placed once Council finish their audit on local sports ground usage in Spetember to pounce. They have formal development plans across 3 grounds pending, huge juniors and competitive Youth teams in all ages of NL1. Jim Foley will lead a Coaching review in 2020 and they are appointing a Football Operations team to drive Mens Youth and Womens programs to the next level. Their message is that they prefer to sit and watch to see what transpires around them. One official told me last night that with all the conjecture, New Lambton also see very little benefit in supporting an NPL that does not suitably cater for WPL representation as part of NPL licences. With New Lambton being one of the only clubs who feature a WPL program, their decisions are based on the interest of their entire club, not just the 200 odd male NL1 numbers. New Lambton will feature in a second tier in 2020, a second tier that will have Youth teams aligned to the NPL ages and most probably one that will feature Thornton, Toronto, Singleton and Cessnock. Maybe....unless those clubs see no benefit in an eventual NPL push which would see them seek Zone affiliations. Hopefully that clears the air. NPL 2020.......dont get too excited as it will be the same old same old....with a little lipstick applied to the same old pig. 2021 and beyond....? Who knows what will happen but tread cautiously is the advice of those South of The Gully Line.Quote:
Originally Posted by Negative Police
A two tier comp is good in theory, no disrespect to the NL1 clubs who have applied, but do NNSW have the kahoonas to drop 2 or even 3 existing NPL clubs in 2020 to make this a reality? Imagine the mutiny by the clubs involved? We all know Mr Eland loves to consult on everything and won’t want to come out smelling of any impropriety - even after 3 years of talking about 2 tiers, they still cannot confirm the structure of 2020 competition. No way will he drop NPL teams to second tier in 2020.Quote:
Originally Posted by oneeye
Sensible option - promote Cookers, remove the bye (Jets going nowhere honestly), rest stay in NL1 another year and draw from a pool of complying clubs for promotion/relegation in 2021.
I just hope that the NL1 clubs who have applied haven’t spent ridiculous money getting ready for another year in second tier.
Format your text brother. This wall of text is more intimidating then the great wall of China was to Mongolians.Quote:
Originally Posted by Onyatoes
Genghis Khan breached the wall, decapitated the Imperial Guard and drank blood from their skulls. Anything is possible and this forum is devoid of fact. Apologies if it took too long to put the fires of bullshit that pervades local football out. I will hibernate for a while Immersion.Quote:
Originally Posted by immersion
If Genghis Khan had of used paragraphs and headlines imagine what he would have been able to do lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Onyatoes
A ground and all the other criteria associated with the ground, such as size of changerooms, ones for both men and women, media box, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Onyatoes
Well good luck with that, half the WPL teams aren't part of NPL/NL1 clubs, two of them are powerhouses and one is a former powerhouse. Those clubs aren't just going to want to have to give up their WPL teams after all the effort they have put into them over the years tp go to some NPL team simply for some bs about gender equality or some fanciful notion that an NPL club must also have a WPL club. You get top female teams not part of top teams elsewhere in the country.Quote:
One official told me last night that with all the conjecture, New Lambton also see very little benefit in supporting an NPL that does not suitably cater for WPL representation as part of NPL licences.
That's before we get into how there isn't the depth for every club in the NPL currently let alone 16 clubs with NPL licenses to have a competitive and decent WPL squad.
One of the only sounds weird, half the competition are part of clubs in NL1.Quote:
With New Lambton being one of the only clubs who feature a WPL program
How unrealistic NNSW’s plans are to roll “NPL” requirements deeper into the region will be seen when they try it on with the WPL - because that’s what will make the competition flourish.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goatscheese
A number of clubs won’t come close and will never have the ability or support from Council to develop their grounds - and in at 2 examples remove a cricket pitch.
This is why partnerships between WPL and NPL clubs will be important in the future. Maybe not handing over the reigns? But at very least ground sharing.
Not enough complying grounds, held by too few “men only” clubs and not enough money about to create more. The outcome of Councils ground review will be interesting in this respect.
The sooner some of these inner city clubs pool their resources and ground share the better off they'll be.
Whilst I agree with the sentiment. The logistics would be a nightmare. Darling St, Magic Park and Arthur Edden Oval are prime examples of this. With only one club utilising the grounds the youth teams are still required to train on other fields due to lack of availability.Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
These 3 clubs combined have more resources, fans, members and clout than Wanderers rugby ever had, and look what they managed to achieve all on thier own.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aegon
You pool resources, create one matchday venue then keep your existing facilities for training/youth without needing to each spend massive dollars on lights /seats/corporates etc in order to comply.