2014 Zone Premier League Thread

Haven't heard Anything yet about our ground but this rain is definitely testing our drainage put in over the summer, be interesting to see tomorrow if we get on, haven't been washed out for training or any games yet this year so fingers crossed

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Originally Posted by Bulldogs 1962

Haven't heard Anything yet about our ground but this rain is definitely testing our drainage put in over the summer, be interesting to see tomorrow if we get on, haven't been washed out for training or any games yet this year so fingers crossed

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Games are on at barnsley

Mayfield v Cooks Hill OFF Today

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Originally Posted by pagey85

Games are on at barnsley

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geez thats a good effort

Barnsley v Wallsend
1st Barns 2 - Wallsend 5 or 6
res 2-3 Walls on scoreboard
3rd 0-3 Walls "

i think these scores are correct.

Barnsley had 2 sent off in the 1st half. i got there late when the 2nd went. didnt see it but told dissent?

that new drainage made it playable. big thanks to the young Barnsley reserve for having a kick with my youngun so i could get some shots.

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Originally Posted by hawk

Barnsley v Wallsend
1st Barns 2 - Wallsend 5 or 6
res 2-3 Walls on scoreboard
3rd 0-3 Walls "

i think these scores are correct.

Barnsley had 2 sent off in the 1st half i got there wlate when the 2nd went. didnt see it but told dissent.

that new drainage made it playable. big thanks to the young Barnsley reserve for having a kick with my youngun so i could get some shots.

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Not Dissent-OFFINABUS-Offensive,insulting and abusive.

As a referee myself, there's different types of swearing. There's swearing if you **** up, acceptable, swearing at an opposition, and swearing at the ref.

Dependant on the level of the swearing at the opposite, I would say it could warrant a red, swear at the ref and you're off.

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Originally Posted by Thomas477

As a referee myself, there's different types of swearing. There's swearing if you **** up, acceptable, swearing at an opposition, and swearing at the ref.

Dependant on the level of the swearing at the opposite, I would say it could warrant a red, swear at the ref and you're off.

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Not one word directed at ref, players told other player to **** off, no more worse the 50 to 100 times I myself swore without even a warning, definite double standard. Even funny that the wallsend coach offered to give a statement and recommend we report the ref for such poor officiating during the first half even before the two dodgy pens against them.

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Originally Posted by Thomas477

As a referee myself, there's different types of swearing. There's swearing if you **** up, acceptable, swearing at an opposition, and swearing at the ref.

Dependant on the level of the swearing at the opposite, I would say it could warrant a red, swear at the ref and you're off.

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Not one bloke from our team swore directly at the ref to receive a straight red. Or even the offensive language directed at another team in this case wallsend was a straight red card, a yellow(warning) would be fine. We all cop language every week whether its a bad tackle etc. lets just say the referee treated today's game as an under 10s game and wrecked a potential great game.

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Originally Posted by Greenz

Not one bloke from our team swore directly at the ref to receive a straight red. Or even the offensive language directed at another team in this case wallsend was a straight red card, a yellow(warning) would be fine. We all cop language every week whether its a bad tackle etc. lets just say the referee treated today's game as an under 10s game and wrecked a potential great game.

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There is no yellow card for OFFINABUS-straght RED.Number 7 for Barnsley blatantly fouled by shirt pulling and directed comments at the referee which deserved a red card.I would say that a distinct lack of discipline was the problem.

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Originally Posted by outsider

There is no yellow card for OFFINABUS-straght RED.Number 7 for Barnsley blatantly fouled by shirt pulling and directed comments at the referee which deserved a red card.I would say that a distinct lack of discipline was the problem.

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So you were on the ground and heard exactly what was said then, I'm sure the ref told you what he wanted you to hear. It really is amazing that to you a referee is never wrong, you constantly defend abysmal refereeing displays on this forum. But that just the typical ref in you cant amit errors.

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Originally Posted by Bulldogs 1962

So you were on the ground and heard exactly what was said then, I'm sure the ref told you what he wanted you to hear. It really is amazing that to you a referee is never wrong, you constantly defend abysmal refereeing displays on this forum. But that just the typical ref in you cant amit errors.

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ADMIT errors.
Yes I was at the ground and I did see what took place.I don't always defend refereeing displays just as I don't always comment on the poor standard of football produced by players.
When did I speak to the referee?

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Originally Posted by outsider

ADMIT errors.
Yes I was at the ground and I did see what took place.I don't always defend refereeing displays just as I don't always comment on the poor standard of football produced by players.
When did I speak to the referee?

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I didn't ask if you were at the ground I said were you on the field to hear exactly what was said, players can ask questions without being offensive! And I think you need to go back and read what you always write as everytime someone writes on here about rubbish refereeing you jump in and say the ref was write never ADMIT they we shit and wrong. If you weren't on the field the only way you could know what was said and what the red card was for is you must have spoken to the ref and if you didn't then your just assuming you know what happened, an just defending his rubbish performance because you always think surely the ref can't be wrong his a ref they're never wrong players are always the ones who stuff up and cause the issues.

I for one was on the field when this language was thrown out.

The player who received the first red card said, F**king C**t. Now in my opinion regardless of whether it was directed at a player or referee, that kind of language is completely unacceptable. You have kids, family, friends watching the games, although it is a semi-professional league, it is still in some way professional. I totally agree with the referee's decision.

The second red card, the player called the referee a F**king joke twice. Now after the first time, the ref decided to ignore it, but the player immediately repeated himself and hence the red card followed. I don't know what sort of player can call a referee a f**king joke to his face twice and expect nothing to come of it, but the red card was definitely deserved.

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Originally Posted by darthmuller

I for one was on the field when this language was thrown out.

The player who received the first red card said, F**king C**t. Now in my opinion regardless of whether it was directed at a player or referee, that kind of language is completely unacceptable. You have kids, family, friends watching the games, although it is a semi-professional league, it is still in some way professional. I totally agree with the referee's decision.

The second red card, the player called the referee a F**king joke twice. Now after the first time, the ref decided to ignore it, but the player immediately repeated himself and hence the red card followed. I don't know what sort of player can call a referee a f**king joke to his face twice and expect nothing to come of it, but the red card was definitely deserved.

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I rest my case.Thankyou darthmuller.

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Originally Posted by darthmuller

I for one was on the field when this language was thrown out.

The player who received the first red card said, F**king C**t. Now in my opinion regardless of whether it was directed at a player or referee, that kind of language is completely unacceptable. You have kids, family, friends watching the games, although it is a semi-professional league, it is still in some way professional. I totally agree with the referee's decision.

The second red card, the player called the referee a F**king joke twice. Now after the first time, the ref decided to ignore it, but the player immediately repeated himself and hence the red card followed. I don't know what sort of player can call a referee a f**king joke to his face twice and expect nothing to come of it, but the red card was definitely deserved.

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Luckily you don't have to be able to hear properly to play the game as you'd be in trouble if you think those were the words spoken.

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Originally Posted by outsider

I rest my case.Thankyou darthmuller.

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Would love to go against you in a court room if you would take such poor and incorrect info as you evidence just shows that you didn't hear and still have no idea what was said, just keep dreaming that you referees are never wrong. Petty use always manage to ruin this great sport by trying to be bigger then it. Just remember games still go ahead without refs, but if there's no players then it's just three idiots standing in a paddock thinking there never wrong, bet they wouldn't get many of the spectators to watch that

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Originally Posted by Bulldogs 1962

Would love to go against you in a court room if you would take such poor and incorrect info as you evidence just shows that you didn't hear and still have no idea what was said, just keep dreaming that you referees are never wrong. Petty use always manage to ruin this great sport by trying to be bigger then it. Just remember games still go ahead without refs, but if there's no players then it's just three idiots standing in a paddock thinking there never wrong, bet they wouldn't get many of the spectators to watch that

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would prefer to rely on the word of darthmuller who WAS on the field.Just goes to show that your players are either deaf or handle the truth very carelessly.The words relayed by darth are exactly what I heard from another source who was on the field-not the referee.My last comment on this subject.

Ever reffed bulldog?
By that, I mean participated in a official referees coaching course where you actually have to know the laws of the game and put them into practice?

Do you go to work and get called a f-ing joke? A f-ing c-***? Do you complain at a restaurant when they get your order wrong and call them those words?

What makes it acceptable on a patch of grass?
If you don't want a ref, ask not to have one, I'm sure there's a heap of team that would kill for a ref on a weekend.
These blokes and girls, give up their time to give something back and enable others to play the game?

I concede, referees can make some horrible decisions. You see it in every code. Every game. What's one big reason that causes the problem? Lack of referees. If you get 100 players trial for your team, chances are your gonna end up with a better team than if 11 blokes rocked up. Why don't we have enough? A lot join at 14-16 and start reffing 6s or now 12s or something and the abuse they get at this level is appalling. I reffed a 12G grade game and my linesmen got abused for pretty much entire second half and after the game because the spectators didn't know the offside rule. I agree that not always is swearing a send off. Common sense is needed sometimes. If I was sworn at I would move away and ask him to come and talk. This gives the offender 10-20 metres to choose the outcome. If he walks over in a civil way and would like an explanation I'm more than happy to give my interpretation of what happened the way I saw it. I can understand passion and frustration, but if I were to be abused after this I would caution for dissent. However every referee has a different approach just like every player is different. Referees don't abuse players for missing shots or giving away a pass.

As a player, I asked for consistency within the game. Referees do have room for improvement it must be said. The standard has dropped over the last 5 years, in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by outsider

would prefer to rely on the word of darthmuller who WAS on the field.Just goes to show that your players are either deaf or handle the truth very carelessly.The words relayed by darth are exactly what I heard from another source who was on the field-not the referee.My last comment on this subject.

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Like I said you weren't there just relying on a bit of hear say. Shows you have no idea. Myself being there and hearing it for myself talking to all parties involved including the ref just makes my point more correct. Anyway you just keep protecting your prescious refs now they need it with the shit displays they're putting in this year. Also how could you take darths word of what happened his from wallsend I'm supprized he could even spell the words he mistakingly thought he heard

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Originally Posted by Bulldogs 1962

I'm supprized he could even spell the words he mistakingly thought he heard

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:popcorn:

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Originally Posted by Bremsstrahlung

Ever reffed bulldog?
By that, I mean participated in a official referees coaching course where you actually have to know the laws of the game and put them into practice?

Do you go to work and get called a f-ing joke? A f-ing c-***? Do you complain at a restaurant when they get your order wrong and call them those words?

What makes it acceptable on a patch of grass?
If you don't want a ref, ask not to have one, I'm sure there's a heap of team that would kill for a ref on a weekend.
These blokes and girls, give up their time to give something back and enable others to play the game?

I concede, referees can make some horrible decisions. You see it in every code. Every game. What's one big reason that causes the problem? Lack of referees. If you get 100 players trial for your team, chances are your gonna end up with a better team than if 11 blokes rocked up. Why don't we have enough? A lot join at 14-16 and start reffing 6s or now 12s or something and the abuse they get at this level is appalling. I reffed a 12G grade game and my linesmen got abused for pretty much entire second half and after the game because the spectators didn't know the offside rule. I agree that not always is swearing a send off. Common sense is needed sometimes. If I was sworn at I would move away and ask him to come and talk. This gives the offender 10-20 metres to choose the outcome. If he walks over in a civil way and would like an explanation I'm more than happy to give my interpretation of what happened the way I saw it. I can understand passion and frustration, but if I were to be abused after this I would caution for dissent. However every referee has a different approach just like every player is different. Referees don't abuse players for missing shots or giving away a pass.

As a player, I asked for consistency within the game. Referees do have room for improvement it must be said. The standard has dropped over the last 5 years, in my opinion.

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+1 great post.

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Originally Posted by gny

What's lambtons ground like with water? Haha

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Lambton play in the NPL. If you are referring to New Lambton, their ground looks to be pretty much the same as most clubs with water (since nearly all games were called off this weekend).

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Originally Posted by Bulldogs 1962

Like I said you weren't there just relying on a bit of hear say. Shows you have no idea. Myself being there and hearing it for myself talking to all parties involved including the ref just makes my point more correct. Anyway you just keep protecting your prescious refs now they need it with the shit displays they're putting in this year. Also how could you take darths word of what happened his from wallsend I'm supprized he could even spell the words he mistakingly thought he heard

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You might want to have a look at your own grammar before correcting others.

So you believe nothing was said to the referee and that he just "spur of the moment" warranted 2 of your players Red Cards?

P.s. I'm not from Wallsend, I only play for them. Unfortunately for you, you are from Barnsley.

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Originally Posted by darthmuller

Unfortunately for you, you are from Barnsley.

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Dudley vs Uni
1st 1-4
Res 0-2
3rd 2-4

To be honest I was very surprised that we got on, only to be even more surprised at the state of Lydon Oval. It was as good as I've seen it, even after all the rain we've had. There were some wet spots in the corners but other than that the field was tip top.

I'm not sure what has happened to Dudley, won the first 5 games, then lost the last 4. I didn't feel like we played that well, missed a bucket load of chances, but it still felt like a comfortable win.

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Originally Posted by darthmuller

You might want to have a look at your own grammar before correcting others.

So you believe nothing was said to the referee and that he just "spur of the moment" warranted 2 of your players Red Cards?

P.s. I'm not from Wallsend, I only play for them. Unfortunately for you, you are from Barnsley.

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Hook line and sinker, is the expression i would use here, haha

I never said nothing was said I just stated that the wording your inferring was used is incorrect.

I do feel sorry for you though as you not being from wallsend, and still choosing to play for them makes you worse then someone from there. Or are you just one of there hired guns they're paying to try and finish just above relegation

^^^ wow. Tell ur story walking pal! You are not only embarrassing yourself
but the club ur from.. At least the boys at wallsend are trying to get a great club back to the top. Everyone I've spoken to has been excited about Wallsend working their way back to NBN with players like Owen Mostyn, Kyle Macorig, Zac Douglas to name a few.. They have respect from all of Newcastle when it comes to football. yeh they pay some "guns" there but the boys there have the clubs future in mind. They haven't promised the world, but I guarantee they'll be in nbn in the next few years. Something you'll never have any idea about. 👌
As for the w.e.. You only have yourselves to blame. Show some respect for the people that give their time to referee, good or bad. There is always next week 👍

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Originally Posted by lafootball

^^^ wow. Tell ur story walking pal! You are not only embarrassing yourself
but the club ur from.. At least the boys at wallsend are trying to get a great club back to the top. Everyone I've spoken to has been excited about Wallsend working their way back to NBN with players like Owen Mostyn, Kyle Macorig, Zac Douglas to name a few.. They have respect from all of Newcastle when it comes to football. yeh they pay some "guns" there but the boys there have the clubs future in mind. They haven't promised the world, but I guarantee they'll be in nbn in the next few years. Something you'll never have any idea about. 👌
As for the w.e.. You only have yourselves to blame. Show some respect for the people that give their time to referee, good or bad. There is always next week 👍

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People like you make it to easy on this forum to get bites. I'm not embarrassed about anything I've written on here. How could my club be embarrased about what we've achieved as we have won everyone of our promotions and have done it all through the hard work of the club, the committee and especially all the players who play there for the club and the good times nothing else.
Who cares if they make NBN which I doubt will happen in the very near future as you state. It's still just park football

***Discussion finished on this one***

I was disappointed that circumstances right or not effectively ended a competitive game. Bet it happens in the world cup but at least I can hit FF and move on to the next.

Also, Make sure we post up catchup games.

geez :blush:

Sounds like an interesting day at Barnsley.
Seriously what is going on out there with the inconsistancy? I cant remember the last time i saw a team like this. When they play they are the best team in the competition but they only seem to do it every second week

:rof: Bulldogs1962 makes a huge deal over the wording of the alleged dissent, and tells everyone they're wrong, but won't say what he believes to be the real words spoken :rof:

Whatever were the exact words of the alleged dissent on the weekend, it seems that the ref, as well as at least this darthmuller guy, thought it was "OFFINABUS"-style dissent, and deserved a red. If it wasn't that bad, maybe the Barnsley guy(s) shouldn't have been as silly as to make it seem to most other people that it in fact was that bad. If the Barnsley guy(s) just resumed their positions, and didn't say anything directed at a player or ref, nothing would have happened. Barnsley over the years have been successful, and can play great football, but do have a reputation of having a short temper. I've personally been involved in an abandoned game due to said temper. Maybe other than wasting time blaming refs for this & that, they shouldn't put themselves in the position of even deserving a yellow card for dissent, etc.

Also as much as outsider has a ref-biased view, I don't think I've ever seen him (even in this circumstance) say that the refs are or were fault-free. Outsider is a ref inspector. As in, he is given the task of assessing what the refs did right and wrong. And his notepad is never empty - I've seen him doing his job first-hand. Yes, refs make mistakes. No, outsider has never said they don't. All he did in this specific scenario was highlight that how the ref (and others) took the incident(s), by the rules it is red card worthy.

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Originally Posted by pv4

I've personally been involved in an abandoned game due to said temper.

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I believe i watched this game and from memory that said temper was sparked by quite a bad and unneccesary challenge by a Westlakes player. I dont think its right to bring up a match a few years ago as a way to get a point across so lets not get too caught up in the past, it doesnt matter.
I believe since that time though, the club committee and coaching staff have changed, for the better, and they are working their way through any issues. I have no doubt the people running the club will not stand for what has happened on the weekend even if some of it was thought to be harsh.

Discipline was obviously a problem for them on the weekend, but every club has weeks where discpline can be problem though.

Unfortunately Bulldog has not helped the situation, every teams comes across refs thats have "shocking" games and make mistakes, they are human after all. The fact is you just have to suck it up regardless of how bad you/anyone/everyone thinks it is.

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Originally Posted by Hotline

Dudley vs Uni
1st 1-4
Res 0-2
3rd 2-4

To be honest I was very surprised that we got on, only to be even more surprised at the state of Lydon Oval. It was as good as I've seen it, even after all the rain we've had. There were some wet spots in the corners but other than that the field was tip top.

I'm not sure what has happened to Dudley, won the first 5 games, then lost the last 4. I didn't feel like we played that well, missed a bucket load of chances, but it still felt like a comfortable win.

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There not short on players because they signed alot however 8 players gone to world cup 5 first graders. I guess that slides players up threw each grade.

Hence the poorer result across all grades I would say.

( that's on top of injuries but that goes without saying , all clubs are having that problem)

Is the weather from the weekend and early this week going to hurt chances of games this week?
After all the conversation this week, i am thinking i might head to lambton to watch eagles vs barnlsey. How is Alder park holding up so far?

What have we layed down as predictions for this weekend if we get on?

WALLSEND v Cardiff
Mayfield v UNI
NEW LAMBTON v Barnsley
Dudley v Swansea (draw)
Kahibah v COOKS HILL

WALLSEND v Cardiff
MAYFIELD v Uni
New Lambton v Barnsley (draw)
Dudley v SWANSEA
Kahibah v COOKS HILL