Plaguesey got married and didn't even tell us. Congrats pal. I hope porksey was as beautiful a bridesmaid as I pictured.
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Plaguesey got married and didn't even tell us. Congrats pal. I hope porksey was as beautiful a bridesmaid as I pictured.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHNPStznnYg
yeah hell of a night.Quote:
Originally Posted by pv4
God bless the US and A.
sorry you didnt get an invite, but yanno, no commies and all that.
starting to honestly believe that if the Democrats want any chance of going after Trump then Tulsi Gabbard is the one to do it.
but lets face it, it will be Biden and Trump gonna eat him alive.
Absolutely no way can Tulsi Gabbard beat Trump in an election. She's flipped and flopped on so many issues it isn't funny. Her views are very conservative and the fact she's even a Democrat [much like her father] pretty much shows how ridiculous the democrats are.Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
They need to offer the people an alternative - and she's really just more of the same.
my point is that they tried 'the alternative' (Clinton) and no one went for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Dunster
Gabbard would get a good chunk of Never Trumpers and Middle America, and as much as they bitch and complain, the Dems hardcore will get in behind her.
None of these other boneheads up there (Bernie/Biden/Warren etc) will get swing voters. They play great on twitter, but twitter aint the big picture as many are now understanding.
The biggest point is that Yanks are bored with voting for more politicians. Trump won because he wasnt 'one of them'. But the Dems are going straight back to the Clinton well and trying to fish out yet another tarnished grub. My observation is that Gabbard is relatively 'fresh' to the scene. She can flip flop all she wants in the lead up, heck, the President was caught on tape talking about grabbing pussy. If shes genuine enough, people will look past it.
dont get me wrong though, youre absolutely correct in predicting a Trump victory. Its just a matter of who'd get closest.
She's dumb as a box of rocks when it comes to economics and finance matters which Trump is actually pretty sound on.Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
With respect to Clinton, I never saw her as an alternative. She's a hardcore conservative pretty much owned by the top end of town - and loses all credibility trying to pretend otherwise. Voters see right through her.
Trump is Trump. There's no hidden agenda with him - people know his story - he never hides his wealth or attempts to be "normal".
Mass shootings eh?
Only started in 2018 according to Democrats.
An unfortunate side effect of being able to protect yourself against the nasty government according to Republicans.
I think the official count is up to 249 mass shootings (not total death count) for 2019 so far... And both sides only care about using it as a stick to beat the other side with rather than actually stop it.Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
This is the best quote i've seen regarding the US gun debate.
How do you come back from that.Quote:
"In retrospect Sandy Hook marked the end of the US gun control debate. Once America decided killing children was bearable, it was over." Dan Hodges.
I can sympathise with the conundrum. Everyones got guns. Good guys, bad guys, crazy guys.
Even if they come out tomorrow and change the Constitution, who gives them up first? The 'good guys' will (justifiably) be like "yo, get em off the bad guys first so i feel safe then we can talk".
With 300m+ firearms out there the cleanup aint gonna be as easy as Scotland,NZ or here.
It will take a leader with way more stones than anything we've ever seen from a US President.
They've all 'failed' so far.
and sadly, it aint as if the population is out there voting for change. They talk about it, they hashtag it, but when it matters, they vote the same numpties back in time and time and time again.
Dry the supply is the first move.Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
Then capitalise on the market.
Then slowly work thru the recovery of equipment.
A smart leader could make bank off the scenario.
i dont disagree that there 'is' a way. Problem is they need to outlaw guns first, and like 99% of guns for it to be effective.Quote:
Originally Posted by pv4
The system you are proposing will take generations to complete. So not only do they need 'one' brave soul to kick start it, they then need consistent leadership to maintain it.
and y'anno, this is the country that elected Trump so umm, yeah good luck.
A ban is not necessary - but registering firearms would certainly make sense.
There are twice as many guns registered in Canada than there is in the USA and yet you rarely get a single shooting let alone mass shootings in Canada.
Unfortunately, only one in four-hundred guns in the USA are registered - so in total there are around 400 million unregistered firearms in the USA.
Canada needs to BUILD THAT WALL!!!!!
i think another massive hurdle is the states independence in terms of lawmaking. they are overturning federal shit all the time, so getting your redneck states to comply with a federal decree is hopeful at best.
and dont get me wrong, im not a 'too hard dont try' kind of person. its just that the 'system' the americans have isnt set up for one strong person to come in and change history (generally because no one does paranoia as good as the americans).
Its sad seeing all this shit continually go on, and sadder the response of the people in charge who refuse to even acknowledge the problem.
but again, there we are, and we'll be talking about the next one soon enough.
The US government via treasury and the FED control the $US dollar - they have absolutely no need to make bank off anything - as their supply of US dollars is unlimited.Quote:
Originally Posted by pv4
If they simply enforced gun registration that would do more than enough to restrict supply as the demand for firearms would rapidly decrease as the implicit cost of ownership would increase.
Agreed. Hawaii have moved somewhat toward registration of firearms [informally at least] but like you say hard to pull that off in Texas and other redneck territories.Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
per capita you mean here right?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Dunster
edit: whoa, sorry just saw the stats you were referring to. how the heck can there be so many unregistered guns in either of thee countries?
jeebus.
the real thoughts and prayers today should be reserved for the outrage mob on both sides that had one shooter from each team blowing people away in the last 24hrs.
the ability for some to somehow disassociate themselves from their guy whilst blanketing all the team members of the other guy is some Lewis Hamilton level control of a fast moving entity.
just hope they get through the working week knowing that everything is still good with their team and everything bad with the other.
Guns ain't the problem though
Don't have many guns in UK and it all stabbings instead
Reality is guns just make it easy for people to inflict violence
More importantly getting some of these snow flakes in the world to grow a pair and be able to deal with their feelings better is of more of a concern
As for getting guns of the Yanks it will never ever ever happen
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Originally Posted by MFKS
you da man.
i know this video is doing the rounds but geez, they dont make it easy on themselves do they.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1157885849796775936
https://twitter.com/i/status/1158047475946676224
How many mass stabbings has there been the UK this year? Is the number close to 250? Cause that is how many mass shootings the US have had this year. I'll take a guy with a knife over a guy with a gun any day, especially an assualt rifle.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
Also, you said Guns aren't the problem, and then explained that guns are the problem 2 sentences later. Which is it?
Also, never forget that the US managed to take away Alcohol from their people with little issue. They could easily take away their guns if they wanted to. But they, both sides, don't actually want to.
Where is your source for mass shootings and what do you define as a mass shooting??Quote:
Originally Posted by Frodo
Guns ain't the problem
It the ****wits in society that are the problem
Prohibition is still in effect is it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Frodo
Didn't actually work did it??
So why do you want them all to have easy access to guns if they're ****wits?Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
Mass shootings have nothing to do with American Gun laws.
The seed for this mess goes back to Reagan and how he changed the American Dream. You can look at every mass shooting and in practically all cases the culprit was either rejected by the American Dream or failed to live up to the American Dream.
The core ethos of the American Dream is what needs changing not the gun laws.
There's tangents and then there's this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skirt Boy
and you know what, I don't disagree all that much.
People are stupid, and stupid people get sucked in by stuff like this.
But
I'd fancy my chances better if the stupid person didn't have a gun.
Nah, there is nothing easy about this at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frodo
330 odd million guns and you think your local Chief Wiggum level cop is gonna feel safe rounding them up?
I'd be shocked if they'd made a dent in the number within the first decade.
The first step is to restrict the current and future production of firearms for sale to the public.Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
The reality is, that too much money has changed hands already for that to ever happen.
Between 1994-2004 restrictions with respect to Assault Weapons went a long way to reducing mass shootings - might be an idea to look at bringing them back into play.
It's not that. The baby boomers were all in their 20's and 30's when Reagan was elected. Probably the only time in history that younger generations by population were the largest demographic. Politicians knew this. The difference between now and then? Politicians are still protecting the ****ing baby boomers. Before the baby boomers society was a lot fairer because demographics were quite evenly matched. The result was that politicians couldn't use a single demographic as a base to win elections. They had to introduce policies that benefited everyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
So when the baby boomers were young. We had free or very cheap education. Now that the boomers have benefited we will scrap that and everyone born in the 70's onwards can pay for it. Superannuation is the same. The hope here is that those who have had super their entire life will pay enough taxes to pay back all the pensions of the boomers. This is just two examples.
BUT what I'm getting at is that this was all sold and dished out as the American Dream. The Liberals are playing catch up because the ALP was in power in the 80's but they are certainly trying hard IE NEWSTART/HECS ect. Anyways this American Dream created a ****ing evil, greedy and materialistic society the like we have ever seen.
It's no wonder these shootings happen. The dream is broken. It failed.
Also anyone born prior to 1970 can **** off and die.
Take all the guns away and these nutters will just stab peopleQuote:
Originally Posted by Macca
It ain't the crux of the problem
The people are the problem
The seed for all the mess in America goes back to the Democratic Party destroying the traditional family unit and making so many people dependant on welfare by actually giving people Welfare so they are not.chasing the American Dream all in the name of trying to win votes for themselvesQuote:
Originally Posted by Skirt Boy
Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
No way. Reagan and the boomers created such an insane and greedy system that people now can not live to achieve any of it. It's got nothing to do with welfare.
Listen to this retarded snowflake. Bet youd steal your mates shoes cause your so jealous. Get your hands dirty and stop whining.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skirt Boy
I wonder how many of the baggy pants skidders running from the shooter we actually packing a gat. And if carrying a gun is safety why didnt they return fire to provide this so called protection.Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
Things aren't better now than they were back then?Quote:
Originally Posted by Skirt Boy
I'd much rather live now than have to grow up back then. I don't envy baby boomers at all.
The only thing sadder than wanting what they had are the dickheads who go shooting people because of it.
So you'd rather see John Mayer in concert than Jimi Hendrix.Quote:
Originally Posted by plague