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Not disputing the tactic works. Feel though that we should be actually looking for more than this stoneages tactic in this day and age.
Hell watching one of the NBN sides the other month the players were just kicking the ball away as this was the team strategy even when they could put their foot on it control take 2-3 touches and pass to a team mate. People who play this way and refuse to respect possession don't really deserve success
Didn't realise you won games by winning the possession count, I always thought it was the goals that count.
If the cattle I have are more suited to the long ball or the opposition dictate it, I am going to do whatever scores me more goals and wins me more games.
I am not going to knock a 100 passes around in my own half just because of some dilusions of granduer that this is somehow the equivalent of the La Liga.
Horses for courses and it ain't always going to be a beauty contest.
And it never will be a beauty contest with grassroots football being focussed on results.
If the top league in the area takes results over process that will filter down to juniors. It's hard to stop it from doing so.
This means in ten years time the first graders might be new cattle but they'll arrive with the same skill set being used today.
It's not about delusions of grandeur, its about everyone - nationwide - at all levels of the game working together to improve the technical and tactical abilities of the players they have now, and will have in the future.
Granted the NBN shouldn't be tagged a "development" league for players, but it should be aiming to be able to be held up as an exemplar that everything below it in NNSW should striving for. From facilities, club administration, coaching expertise and player abilities through to the way the game is played.
Interesting, i feel the NBN state should be labelled a development league in the coming years. This new points system puts emphasis on youth. Therefore i would see no reason personally to be against calling it a development league.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary Fish
Just for the record i think the proposed point system is nothing short of a laugh. I feel like it has the potential to hinder youth development in some respects. I am glad i am finished playing and will never have to go through it.
So what is so unskilful about pumping a ball high to a strong front man who can bring it down and lay it of to a trailing midfielder or turn his defender with strength & power? What is so unskilful about knocking a long ball to winger who can burn the defence with speed and enthusiasm and deliver a pin point cross to the head of a striker or the top of the box?
Yes we should improve the technical & tactical skills of the players but why one set of skills and why one set of tactics. Football is a fluid game. There are so many options and ways to play it. You can't paint by numbers. Surely the best way to play is the way that utilises your skill sets & yields the best results. Barca plays the way they do because it works for them and they have the players to do it.
Why be so critical of one method that requires a certain skill set over another?
A great point!Quote:
Originally Posted by Leftback at Home
I love watching a passing game as much as the next guy but you use what you have.
All this talk about teams in NBN who knock it around being the real football teams... they would honestly back themselves to beat a team like Stoke!
They might be in EPL but they always knock long balls so they are obviously all shit players and poorly coached... No they have a proven style are just very good at what they do!
End of the day the game is all about putting the ball into the back of the net, is this correct? This example is for the high and mighty people on this forum like yourself, MFKS and a few others that believe that there is only one way to play football and that's the tika taka style of possession over results.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary Fish
If you look at it this way and from a clubs perspective then you hopefully understand why the league in this area will never be a tika taka football league and that's due to RELEGATION!!!! Why would a club focus on solely developing a wonderful style of football that takes years to perfect but also a couple of years poor results until it's perfected which could also result in relegation? Lets be honest here and admit that a coach in the NBN or NEWFM will first of all look at what cattle they have at their disposal, then what style suits the cattle that will do the 1 thing that everybody has played football for from the beginning of the sport and that's to win the game!
Maybe if clubs had a 4 or 5 year license in the State League then this may occur but I will go out on a limb and say it never will as long as the Federation place an emphasis on results. I'm the same as other people here in that I love watching the short passing, possession based football, I try to coach and encourage the side I have to play that way as it's a development side but in first grade you do what is required to win the game you are playing.
Rant over!
My apologise to Gary Fish as I meant to copy another post and not his.
Went and watched Southy vs Jaffas on Sunday. I'm not 100% sure on the field size but I believe that on a bigger pitch with more room to work it would have been a different story.
In saying this it was the first State League fixture I have been to since the 2011 GF and I rather enjoyed the game.
So can you enlighten us as to what is exactly skillful about receiving possession of the ball and to just hoof it by putting your boot through it in the general direction of your forwards/opponents goal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leftback at Home
Football is about making decisions. When to dribble when to pass when to feint when to do the 15 ronaldo stepovers etc etc. Why take the lowest/easiest option when it is not necessary??
4-5 year old kids can master the long ball tactic as it comes naturally to them. An educated player makes a decision to pass short long dribble etc.
Yeah there are times to put your foot through the ball and get it long. Making it your core tactic is for the coaches who view winning at all costs as a genuine philosophy or don't have the intelligence to actually coach and develop players to play with skill.
I will be as critical as I like of that tactic. Long term that style will never win international trophies as its time has come and gone. Sure it may keep hacks like Perth Glory and Stoke City competitive but they get their just deserts by winning **** all
GET WITH THE TIMES
I think I already did. Perhaps you might like to put your superior Football intellect to use by re-reading my comments. All you have done is enhance them. At no time was it said that the long ball tactic is the sole tactic. To enable a player to make decisions you need to equip them with a range of options, sometimes that requires something other then just passing short.
Broadmeadow long balll NBN 15s win minor premiership.
Azzuri technical football NBN 15s run second.
Unfortunately long balls win games, not sure what international teams you are talking about, Spain was the last to win anything playing shortpass football, but correct me if im wrong, wasnt it a long ball that found iniestas feet when he scored the winning goal in the cup final.
My theory is both methods need to be played in every game, if defence sitting back, you play it around defence/MF and forwards and drag the defence higher, after a while when defence is sitting high leaving gaping paddock between them and the GK, pump a few long balls and utilise this, but then the GK should/could be sitting higher as an extra sweeper.
We are not europe, so just play to each teams strengths, long balls will work better against some teams and some not, move on.
Good postQuote:
Originally Posted by Leftback at Home
Spot on and agree fully.Quote:
Originally Posted by Youaskedforit
Australians are naturally a stronger more physical style of football so why not combine this with all aspects of the game rather than keyhole players into one style? I remember GVE saying after a 5-0 loss to Melb Victory last season "we held 60% possession" and "we had over 50 more completed passes than Victory" but at the end of the day they got beat. Tika Taka is in now but soon counter attack football could be spoken about like it's the gospel of football. My point is teach kids all aspects of the game and see them improve. Just like I get the shits with coaches who just play 4-3-3 and refuse to waver from that formation. I like 4-3-3 as a formation but if a side you are playing against requires you to play 4-4-2 or 4-2-3-1 then I'll do it and give the kids the experience at that formation.
This is getting boring
Anyone know who's coaching magic next season
Some excellent points here guys!
Love that people can see different aspects of the game in this time of tikka takka...
Again, i love to watch it but a single game plan will win you nothing. Adapting is so important, be it with conditions or the opposition...
After reading this thread I'd say Jose Murinho, once he gets shafted by Chelsea for his boring counter attacking style.Quote:
Originally Posted by ForeverRed
Sounds like he'd be suited for NBN.
Also from memory Iniesta WC winner was a through ball from Fabregas from about 10m out of the box. Iniesta received it about the penalty spot. Wouldn't call it a long ball. Sorry couldn't remember who asked that question.
Man Utd have had a lot of success using different tactics over the years… lightning quick counter-attack which to some people may not be impressive as it requires the other team to be attacking first… great wingers who just whipped crosses in all day to blokes that were strong with the head (hughes, cole..), or front men who were sometimes quite isolated when receiving the ball but could make something out of nothing and score ie rooney, van nistelrooy, van persie… play to your strengths, you'd be a ****ing idiot if you don't, and we're all currently experiencing the PAIN of having one of these idiots in charge of our city's major football.
if at all levels we only ever play to our strengths our strengths will never change.
The nationwide push to a more technical and tactical approach will ultimately increase and widen our strengths as a footballing nation. A generation or three from now we should be having national squads being able to change and adapt not only to our strengths, but to opposition's weaknesses.
If we always do what's we've always done, well always get what we've always got.
Generations relying on our physicality has seen us only once get beyond the groups stages of a World Cup.
We need more rounded players so we can be less one dimensional at international level.
Every level of the game has a role to play in helping this happen.
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Originally Posted by Gary Fish