CNN are currently at this point in time trying to claim they are CentristQuote:
Originally Posted by Frodo
That their doing
No one with a brain believes them
FFS Don Lemon thinks he is impartial
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CNN are currently at this point in time trying to claim they are CentristQuote:
Originally Posted by Frodo
That their doing
No one with a brain believes them
FFS Don Lemon thinks he is impartial
CNN are right wing conservative make no mistake about that. Read this link and tell me how it's not neo-liberal right wing dogma.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frodo
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/07/24/i...cit/index.html
There's absolutely nothing ideologically different about CNN or Fox - they are both clueless.
The left as an audience is not economically viable - there's simply not enough of them to create a network that supports their views.
They are doing a pretty good job at actually getting Trump re elected actuallyQuote:
Originally Posted by The Dunster
They do present as left leaning but you could make a case that they are doing Trumps work for him just like AOC is most likely a Republican planted operative
I think this Syria/USA/Turkey situation has summed up the whole Trump experience.
His twitter behaviour, his letter to Erdogan, his bitchfight with Pelosi were all stuff that no world leader has ever publicly indulged in.
His original decision to move troops out was open for ridicule.
His detractors had everything right i front of them and popped off continually with "thats not how a President acts" etc etc etc. and they were right.
but.
he 'seems' to have got the resolution he aimed for. so his supporters are jumping for joy saying "see, no slaughter, no US troops dead, no sanctions needed". again, they are right and will always point to that and say 'results over process'.
which ever side of the fence youre on re:Trump theres 24/7 ammunition to strengthen your point.
but he said as much, years ago when he decided to run. he said hes not a politician and had no desire to be one. he said to judge him on results, and hes getting 'results' for those who matter.
hes been this buffoon his whole life, and its worked, so hes parlaying that into a bigger job. its just that we arent used to see this method from 'that' office.
Plenty of people sit about bitching that all Politicians are the same and that they are all interchangeable as they don't represent them regardless of what side of politics they come fromQuote:
Originally Posted by plague
Then you have Trump who comes in and changes that. He is exactly what the people need. Someone who is prepared to do what he thinks is right and not pander to BS that is Political Correctness
The fact that the levels of derangement he gets his rivals to show the world proves that he is doing a great job.
Can't wait to Australia elects someone similar
I'm am of the belief that humans are a pretty much a parasite at this point and the world would be a better place without us here. Reading those last two posts is more validation of that theory. Thanks.
Well your narrow minded generalised opinions that run with the vegan crowd makes you in that crowd. Woke the fk up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frodo
Most people are good.
so now we are into the good bitsQuote:
Originally Posted by Frodo
heres the part where you get to specifically say what it is you dont like. I get that many many many millions of people dont like the bloke. i hear their reasons, some im cool with, some are lame. id love to hear yours.
also, it looks like youve had at least a passing interest in US politics. so did any of Obama or Dubya* do it for you? Do you believe Hillary would have been better had she won?
*whoo boy, has this bloke ever profited from Trump being Trump. Everyone already bringing out the revisionist history on the bloke when if you were there when he was in charge, the same people that hate Trump sure hated Dubya with just the same amount of venom.
yeah without singling out my man Frodo, because i like Frodo and i get along well with people who think differently to me. I actually think most people are fairly narrow minded on both sides. they believe their thing, and they are running with it. no one gets talked over to the other side anymore. In the US especially elections are won on passion rather than policy. the sides are split 50/50 its just a matter of who can get more people out to vote on the day.Quote:
Originally Posted by traffic light
A) welcome to the internet.Quote:
Originally Posted by traffic light
B) refer to the first point really.
C) that is certainly a weird insult. I can't actually work out who would be offended by that other than maybe Vegans themselves or maybe macho dudes? Sorry, not sure
Here's a simple one for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
Trump pulled troops from Syria because he was told to by Erdogan. Not because of any promises he had made to his voters, not to protect the troops (remember they deployed another 3000 troops to Saudi Arabia the same day they announced the Syria thing), not because he thought it was better for the area. He isn't a genius, he doesn't have some master plan. Politics is really not as difficult as you are giving it credit for.
Also, just to make sure we are all on the same page. I enjoy arguing about stuff and I'm totally fine with discussing those silly yanks. But please don't think I am losing any sleep about what's happens over there.
but thats not it though. you disliked him well before this. i want the start of it, not the latest thing. because theres always a latest thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frodo
as for politics not being difficult. nah man, you only have to look at the absolute bootlickers that get anywhere near the top to know how much greasing and panhandling that goes on. you only have to see how corrupt even the lowest level of party hack has to be to get anywhere to at least appreciate the fact a bloke with the brain the size of a tennis ball bulldozed his way through all of it.
Trump pulled troops because Erdogan has the EU by the ballsQuote:
Originally Posted by Frodo
He can flood Europe with 3rd world immigrants by allowing his country to be an open door into Europe which would **** the EU economy and that in turn would also hurt the world economy
He has just negotiated his hand well and allowed himself to settle some domestic issues here
Trump has really **** all to gain by playing hardball with him and walking out the way he did is a win of sorts for him as he has actually maintained order in the world and got troops out of a basket case of a war Obama got them into
Don't really know why everyone is having a tanty about this anyway
No one in the Western world has given a **** about the Kurds and other minority groups in the middle east since day dot so it rather hyporcritcal to be worried about the Turks dealing with their local issues as they see fit too
Its more than obvious that im a big fan of the chaos that Trumps Presidency has unleashed.
I was also a fan of Obama as a person and thought he always carried himself as the absolute definition of a President (even though hes gone and upset the comrades today).
I am also a fan of Jimmy Kimmel because he is a smart arse, and thats my kind of people.
just watch this and giggle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsBO...E#action=share
But Trump is only trolling the idiots
The funny thing is they don't see it
And Jimmy Kimmel is a hypocrite sucking the Leftist Kool Aid just to get paid. And he ain't that funny
It very hard to take that guy seriously
No.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
Thats the way Trump is.
and thats the platform he ran on.
and thats what the people voted for.
its ok to giggle at him in all his glory. it wont make you a leftie.
Plus, Kimmel is the smart one in the room. feign outrage and mock at every turn its good content and gets eyeballs on his show.
deep down the bloke is praying to Almighty Griff that Donald gets another 4 years.
He knows where his bread is very lucratively buttered.
Yeah nah.Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
OB wanted public glory. He loved the mike drop and the cheering crowds. Look good, pretend to preside, be cool. Knock off the odd ISIL then hope that no one notices that an economy needs running.
If you don't see that Trump is trolling the left then I can't help you on thatQuote:
Originally Posted by plague
It pretty obvious he is having a great time at watching them get angry
As for Jimmy Kimmel
Bit hard to take him seriously with his holier than thou moralistic BS after the lack of criticism he gets for his blackface skit and his What's in My Pants skits he has done
The fact he hasn't been eaten by the left over that just shows their hypocrisy in all its glory
At this point, it's more likely that the earth is flat than Trump having any actual plan of attack. Also he's done more trolling to the right than he has the left anyways.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
Trump is playing 3D chess and the rest of them ain't got a clueQuote:
Originally Posted by Frodo
He is playing the game and playing it in a way that he wins
2020 is a formality as he has exposed the insanity of the Left
Ya, I'm with you on this one. I can't stand trump but honestly I can't remember the last US president I actually liked? Clinton and George W both had some comedy moments but were both imbeciles.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim
Add to the above Obama had a genuine chance to take on the NRA and backed away from it with a whimper
Bush gets this a lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aegon
What about him do you think makes him an imbecile?
Probably exacerbated by his southern drawl. But he struggled to make sense in a lot of speeches or when answering questions and was constantly caught out trying to describe details of his own policies.Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
I notice you didn't dispute Slick Willie.
only because that was both before my time and i hadnt ever really taken an interest in him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aegon
Bush had been a subject id read into quite a bit. Hes an interesting dude. But from both an academic and business standpoint he was no idiot.
i understand the comment about the accent, its a common trait for foreigners like us growing up listening to the same stereotypes in media etc (dumb southern redneck/racist etc, its how it was all explained to us).
To hear him explain (or 'excuse if you dont believe him) his actions regarding 9/11, Katrina, and Iraq is pretty interesting. I really dont know a world leader in our lifetime who had to deal with so many monumental issues both domestic and foreign.
i personally thought he got a bad rep, and its been interesting in his post Presidential life that hes become a way way way more sympathetic figure. I guess the partisan nature of politics never allows us to 'like' anything about the other side in the moment.
It seriously hard to take the Democrat Presidents seriously
Obama as the first black President done **** all for the Black population so much so that he actually set their cause backwards by his policies of Welfare
Trump has done more for Black Americans than anyone else since the Republicans freed the slaves in the 1800s
Obama is the only US president in history to leave office with a lower prison population than when he started.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
Moreover, the violent crime rate also fell while Obama was President.
You might also want to stop quote mining your facts - The GOP as they were and as they are today are two totally different beasts. They started out with liberal ideals and today are purely conservative.
the states in the US have so much individual power that most domestic 'accomplishments' and 'failures' by Presidents are hardly their doing or their fault.
Crime/guns/jobs can be attributed to all levels of Govt and every side has an easy option to blame or praise.
Dunster can point to a smaller prison population under Obama, Member can point to the violent crime rate increasing in Obamas last few years then declining as soon as Trump took office. Was any of this on the President? Is having less people in jail a good thing if the crime rate is increasing? Are people getting put in jail for minor shit undeservedly making the stats look good?
Of course Trumps 'trade war' can have a direct effect on jobs, but state taxes/laws etc can get in the way of any federal ideas.
On the world stage the President has a much better platform to achieve things. You can argue all day who has done a better job there but ill def say Trump at least lived up to his election promises. If you hate him for that then ok. but youre prob already hating on him well before that.
i think Carter also had a really dramatic fall too. but Obama def bucked a recent trend thats for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Dunster
Also the violent crime rate had been decreasing since 2000, and bottomed out under Obama in 2014 but then took a dramatic upturn between 2014 and 2016.
again, we can read stats to prove any side of any argument.
The only stat that is true and indisputable is Griff 1- Gypos 0.
Gospel.
George W Bush has always been a nice bloke. The only thing that's changed is how the media present him to an audience.Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
He's also a lot smarter than people give him credit for as well.
Trump - he's a complete goose who's got absolutely no idea how life is for anyone without a trust fund to prop them up.
Fortunately, President's have so little executive power most of what he does and say's has minimal consequences.
EDIT: THis is the case with pretty much all the Democrats as well - so I'm not playing party favourites.
yeah its def gonna be interesting to see how he gets remembered. Id be shocked if he doesnt get another 4 years, but after that America is either gonna have a massive reset and go back to a stereotypical politician or go the other way and someone like Oprah is gonna romp it in and from there the world just starts burning.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Dunster
One thing i cant stop hearing is if Trump gets in then either Trump Jnr or Ivanka will seriously push to succeed him in 2024. Think about that, the most improbable candidate in history starts a run of 16 years of family rule.
just insane to think.
The only thing more certain than a Trump 2nd term is a Newcastle Jets wooden spoon.Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
He will walk it in - and good on him for at least offering the people an alternative to the usual can't tell the democrats from the republicans candidates.
No I will point out that it was Obama who decided to hand out piles and piles of money in Welfare via Food Stamps further imprisoning the Black Community more as they get stuck in the welfare cycle and dependant on itQuote:
Originally Posted by The Dunster
Trump on the other hand has created jobs so the Black unemployment rate is at is lowest in eons
Reality is quite simple with this the Democrats will hand out to the weak thus hindering them further in life
The Republicans will offer opportunity to the weak to better themselves
That precisely why the left won't debate their ideas
They don't hold to logic and fall apart when scrutinised
To say Trump has no idea how the common man lives is deluded as all **** an opinionQuote:
Originally Posted by The Dunster
Yeah sure he may not have lived that life but you look at the way Middle America identifies with him ie the ****s who voted him in and you can see the bloke is a man of the people despite his wealth
That this guy got himself elected the way he did says plenty about his level of intelligence
Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
funny you bring this up again, and we've talked about it before and i agree with you.
If you know of, or are familiar with Dana White (UFC 'boss'), he was asked about Trump turning up at the event in New York last weekend.
Any other interview with this bloke and he has a real bombastic attitude, and White is rich of his own accord, he doesnt need to grovel to the likes of Trump. Nor does he need to wade into the murky world of politics (to paraphrase Michael Jordan, "Democrats watch UFC too").
but to hear him talk about Trump here, to hear him so deferential, and grateful to a bloke he considers a supporter and a friend. in a world that would be full of so many snakes and grifters. its an amazing insight into how Trump connects to people.
Its 4 mins long, but its worth it if you even want to begin to understand how Trump did it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cwr4b5Wzgs
The largest US government handouts in history all went to bankers after they caused the GFC.Quote:
Originally Posted by MFKS
Government handouts to businesses producing for the armed forces would not be too far behind.
The money handed out to bankers after the GFC was enough to fund all levels of education in the USA for the next 700 plus years.
The money handed out to fund private wars involving oil wouldn't be far behind.
So it appears your not against all government handouts - just those to the poor and non-whites.
As for the unemployment rate it's a useless figure from a 1947 ILO convention. You need only work one hour in the week of the survey to be counted as employed.
It also doesn't address the working poor in the USA and incomes inequality.
Trump is not the problem here - it's the lobbyists - and it's both sides of politics with blood on their hands not just the democrats.
ABC News (america) pretty much just handed the keys to Trump for another 4 years.
Them being outed over withholding the Epstein investigation is a ****ing scandal bigger than any of the shit the Dems are throwing at Trump right now.
Its as if they just purchased ad space on every major network and just held up a picture of themselves with #fakenews spray painted across it.
how can they all be so bad at this?
also, the dagger was Amy Robach muttering that crucial word........'Clinton'.
whoo boy.
Yeah, cause most Americans even heard about the Epstein story at the beginning and care enough to pay attention now.Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
Try again Plague.
nothing to do with Epstein himself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frodo
all to do with the media playing right into the fake news 'narrative'*.
Trump gonna run with this all the way through, and his base is gonna lap it up.
This isnt a Dems v GOP issue, its a 'oh maybe Trump was right' issue.
The poor Dems are gonna get drowned out by the noise.
Every cry of 'impeach' or 'russia' or 'ukraine' will be met with legitimate blowback.
all along a lot of these issues have lacked any sort of proof, but when your own people are caught on video saying it then its a problem.
*copyright MFKS
Republicans believe in the senate more than they believe in the media. If this open impeachment doesn't go well, he's gone. If he doesn't squash this very quickly in the senate and it lingers on, his faithful will leave him.Quote:
Originally Posted by plague
Americans care more about the flag and the constitution than even the POTUS. No amount of media circus is gonna sway people if this is happening in the senate.
to impeach Trump, the Dems need to flip 20 (out of about 50) Republicans in the Senate to get a majority. That wont happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frodo
They'd also need a big number of them to switch in the House (which they control) to even get it to the Senate.
Totally agree on Americans loving the flag and constitution more than the President. But if you look at the candidates, only one of them is continually and openly campaigning for the 1st and 2nd amendments. Granted it is Republican fodder but America is different in that a candidate needs to inspire people to get out and vote. If Americans think their 'rights' are going to be in danger, thats a good reason to do it. Guess you'd have to ask yourself if Americans would handle a couple of 'untruths' be told by the Pres as long as they got to keep their guns and freedom of speech.
Trump is wrapping himself in the flag and claiming hes the victim of a witch hunt. he points to all manner of evidence (both real and made up hahahaha) to support his case.
Granted once the Dems settle on a candidate their message might be clearer, but Trump isnt being impeached with the numbers the way they are. The talk of it at the moment are in hope of destabilising the numbers post 2020. If the Dems can legit get it done they might try then.
Also of note, when Clinton was impeached, he was allowed to finish out his 2nd term and there were no real long term consequences, and he got impeached for some real shit. There were witnesses, testimony and evidence. Everything against Trump so far is hearsay. Argue it all you want, but there needs to be way more proof to even get close to getting it passed.
Remember, its not a judge or jury that decides this, its the politicians. and if the Dems are gonna go to the GOP and say "we want to off the bloke, heres all we got" then they would look like fools jumping ship to support it.