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#PrayForParis

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it's prayer than caused this mess in the first place

was flicking between the France Germany and Bosnia Ireland games - there wasn't any crowd noise from Paris in the first half so we didn't hear that explosion

****ing ludicrous situation

Vive la France.

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Originally Posted by boz-monaut

it's prayer than caused this mess in the first place

****ing ludicrous situation

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This.

Polandball says it well

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Originally Posted by boz-monaut

it's prayer than caused this mess in the first place

****ing ludicrous situation

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Yep, all this prayer crap does is let people feel good about doing nothing. Its up to the people and govts to step up and stop it in every country so that no one has a reason to grieve over a preventable cause.

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Originally Posted by boz-monaut

it's prayer than caused this mess in the first place

was flicking between the France Germany and Bosnia Ireland games - there wasn't any crowd noise from Paris in the first half so we didn't hear that explosion

****ing ludicrous situation

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Thats not quite what I meant mate - it was more about expressing sympathy for the victims and the city. Not about anything else.

and where it that getting us. ffs prevention>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>prayer

without crossing over in to the politics thread (fess up, it was going to anyway) the bit that annoys me are the pollies fronting the cameras with their crocodile tears and their new Facebook profile pics of their taxpayer funded study trip to paris (people were gagging to find a reason to change it from the rainbow ones from a few months back).
anyway, these pollies are the same ones who continually block any legislation that is introduced to try and prevent these exact things.

I'm cool if you want the civil liberties etc, just don't front the cameras screaming "theres go to be something we can do to stop this"

Kind of like (insert US President name here) after each school shooting "we gotta do something about den guns huh".......errr, you're in charge, why don't you do something?

All the best to ISIS though pissing off Putin and the muslim hatin' French.

Things prob going to get ugly.

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Originally Posted by plague

without crossing over in to the politics thread (fess up, it was going to anyway) the bit that annoys me are the pollies fronting the cameras with their crocodile tears and their new Facebook profile pics of their taxpayer funded study trip to paris (people were gagging to find a reason to change it from the rainbow ones from a few months back).
anyway, these pollies are the same ones who continually block any legislation that is introduced to try and prevent these exact things.

I'm cool if you want the civil liberties etc, just don't front the cameras screaming "theres go to be something we can do to stop this"

Kind of like (insert US President name here) after each school shooting "we gotta do something about den guns huh".......errr, you're in charge, why don't you do something?

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If you have a spare weekend - try googling the NRA, Congress and lobby groups. US is f*cked on gun control because their political system is set up to serve the group with the most money to throw at Senators and Congressmen to veto or kill any bills that go against their interest.

Not that I've done much research into this, but what are the specific measures that would prevent this kind of thing anyway? I think it's nigh impossible tbh.

Education and a different foreign policy would be a good start

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Originally Posted by furns

If you have a spare weekend - try googling the NRA, Congress and lobby groups. US is f*cked on gun control because their political system is set up to serve the group with the most money to throw at Senators and Congressmen to veto or kill any bills that go against their interest.

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Yes and no.
the reality is that from 2009-2011 the Democrats and Obama controlled congress and could have passed any laws they wanted to (with the help of executive orders as well if Obama really wanted to put his foot down).
He didn't, and now he has the convenient argument that the Republicans (a different type of shitkhunt) won't let any laws pass so theres nothing that can be done.
He had TWO YEARS to do something, and did nothing. Its not as if gun violence and school shootings weren't around back then (there were 23 registered school shootings in that time).


Now, again, my issue isn't really the US problem with guns. I don't think its our place to judge Americans and their guns because we really don't understand the situation and its not an easy fix.
Its the constant grandstanding of people like Obama and Clinton who claim that something needs to be done, yet refused to do anything. At least the Republicans are honest enough to say they are cool with people getting gunned down left right and centre.

I also find it funny that the bloke out there who can legitimately change the system everyone has such a problem with is the man who is so reviled and frightened of.

if you want the system to change, support the buffoon Trump, if you keep supporting the incumbents, don't be shocked when nothing ever changes.

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Originally Posted by militiamon

Not that I've done much research into this, but what are the specific measures that would prevent this kind of thing anyway? I think it's nigh impossible tbh.

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the main issue at the moment that is in the news is mandatory sentencing for illegal gun possession. to me its a no brainer, but philosophical stances within certain parties on mandatory sentencing sees this one blocked. guess whats more important, getting illegal guns and illegal gun users off the streets or political stances?

of course there is the 'metadata' debate that seemed to peter out pretty quickly. Once again the idea behind it has merit, but if everyone was concerned with the greater good they would have reached a way around it, but they didn't. all sides are to blame for that.

i also agree there isn't an easy fix, but again i reiterate my issue is the Pliberseks etc of the world who bemoan that "something needs to be done" yet even though in a position of power refuse to do one god damn thing to help.

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Originally Posted by plague

Yes and no.
the reality is that from 2009-2011 the Democrats and Obama controlled congress and could have passed any laws they wanted to (with the help of executive orders as well if Obama really wanted to put his foot down).
He didn't, and now he has the convenient argument that the Republicans (a different type of shitkhunt) won't let any laws pass so theres nothing that can be done.
He had TWO YEARS to do something, and did nothing. Its not as if gun violence and school shootings weren't around back then (there were 23 registered school shootings in that time).


Now, again, my issue isn't really the US problem with guns. I don't think its our place to judge Americans and their guns because we really don't understand the situation and its not an easy fix.
Its the constant grandstanding of people like Obama and Clinton who claim that something needs to be done, yet refused to do anything. At least the Republicans are honest enough to say they are cool with people getting gunned down left right and centre.

I also find it funny that the bloke out there who can legitimately change the system everyone has such a problem with is the man who is so reviled and frightened of.

if you want the system to change, support the buffoon Trump, if you keep supporting the incumbents, don't be shocked when nothing ever changes.

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Plague I respect what you think about football...but right now you r out of your element....stick to football .....love Lquiquer

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Originally Posted by furns

Education and a different foreign policy would be a good start

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yes, education of politicians also, Abbotts language during his term as PM was disgraceful for the most part.
Pretending theres no problem out there is just as bad.
joining in wars as well doesn't help.

but on the flip side what do you do when your constituents die in the attacks on 9/11 and the Bali bombings?
do you stand aside and be all like "cool cool we are not getting involved we don't want to make it worse" or do you retaliate......and end up where we are now.

damned if you do, damned if you don't innit?

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Originally Posted by lquiquer

Plague I respect what you think about football...but right now you r out of your element....stick to football .....love Lquiquer

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no. I'm comfortable.
Contribute or pipe down please. we are having a discussion. Furns, MM etc are clever people and i enjoy listening to them.

Cheers,
Plague.

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Originally Posted by plague

no. I'm comfortable.
Contribute or pipe down please. we are having a discussion. Furns, MM etc are clever people and i enjoy listening to them.

Cheers,
Plague.

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First sorry for being stupid ...second all these issues you r debating are much more complicated than u assumed them to be. I think part of discussion was what happened in Paris Friday night.... believe me I grew up in the these suburbs and prob why I'm here now....there is so much politicians can do when previous administrations were blind

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Originally Posted by lquiquer

First sorry for being stupid ...second all these issues you r debating are much more complicated than u assumed them to be. I think part of discussion was what happened in Paris Friday night.... believe me I grew up in the these suburbs and prob why I'm here now....there is so much politicians can do when previous administrations were blind

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I'm not assuming anything.
Also, please go back and read my post. it clearly states my issue is with the politicians who grandstand on these issues whist having no real skin in the game.

Trust me, people in the suburbs of Oz changing their profile pics isn't anything to do with addressing immigration in France, its about making themselves feel better.
and good for them for that.

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Originally Posted by plague

I'm not assuming anything.
Also, please go back and read my post. it clearly states my issue is with the politicians who grandstand on these issues whist having no real skin in the game.

Trust me, people in the suburbs of Oz changing their profile pics isn't anything to do with addressing immigration in France, its about making themselves feel better.
and good for them for that.

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when he said suburbs - he meant in Paris mate. I thought his PSG avatar might have been a clue to that.

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Originally Posted by furns

when he said suburbs - he meant in Paris mate. I thought his PSG avatar might have been a clue to that.

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Oh man cmon are you guys even reading these posts?

edit: oh i see we both used the word 'suburbs'.
except, yanno, we're talking about 2 completely different things.

if anyone is confusing my point please ask ill explain it again.

Merci Marseille..... :thumbsup::thumbsup:

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Turkey has shot down a Russian Warplane! Shits about to get real.

then syrians shot the pilots. should invite them all here, oh wait