So it's lookin like a matter of where not if.
Thoughts, suggestions, ideas?
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So it's lookin like a matter of where not if.
Thoughts, suggestions, ideas?
Rumored new T.V deal to start from 2016 worth $80 million per year for 4 year's with 12 Clubs.
http://m.couriermail.com.au/sport/fo...sport_football
It's a good question and there's going to be plenty of debate.
Will Canberra and Wollongong come back in and do they have the market for sustaining a team? Geelong will no doubt come back in and there will be a case for another Brisbane team or North Queensland to return. There's plenty of candidates.
For me:
Another NZ team to push the competition over there and get a local derby. Probably try Auckland again?
Canberra.
well that article basically says it will be a second Brisbane team and a third Sydney team.
I don't have a problem with those regions, but I do think that regional areas shouldn't be overlooked.
would love this but can't see it happening. Brumbies just lost $1m this season, don't have a sponsor. Raiders not sure about but assume they are in a similar financial position.
basically, all the issues Newcastle experiences would be replicated here.
and they couldn't host any games during the summer holidays, as there is nobody here. last person out on Christmas eve has to remember to switch the street lights off.
not that we were in too much danger but it probably means we will be around for a while yet.
More on a 2nd Brisbane side.
http://mobile.news.com.au/sport/foot...-1227155170661
There you go. Good to get a point of view from the region. I wasn't aware about the loss the brumbies experienced.
I really wonder if Brisbane could host a second team. I'm not sure they could.
Southern Sydney franchise, I assume? Maybe....I recall there's been a recent article about expansion ideas from the Cronulla Sharks.
It will defo be either a 3rd Sydney team a 3rd Melburn team or a 2nd Brisbane team.
End of discussion.
They are the only area with a population base capable of sustaining another team short term/long term.
The FFA still have to get round to fixing the issues at Newy and Gypos for PERMANENT before worrying again about the likes of Nth Qld GC who have already failed or areas like ACT and Wollongong who are likely to be just a similar basket case as the 2 current regional sides are and Fury/GC were
Adelaide and Perth are no hope for a 2nd team anytime soon
largz misses out again
I reckon you are probably right. Obviously in Sydney it would be a Sutherland area team.
In Melbourne you would have to think maybe Geelong? I don't know the geographical make up of the city that well, but there isn't really another option is there?You would have to think a 2nd Brisbane team is a long shot too. Again, I don't know the geography of it that well, does anyone with some knowledge in that area think a second Brissy team is viable?
sutherland is a waste of time and money
better off shoring up us and the gypos and forgetting any of these trash ass ideas
Personally I don't think it is that viable at present in Brisvegas either.
Look at the crowds support they currently get for the Roar and lets be honest they probably will not see a period of success dominance as they have had in the HAL in the last 4 years. Not exactly captivating enough to make you think about starting a rival team.
Population wise they have the opportunity but the magic question how to get it to happen is up to bean counters smarter than me
Melburn is a big enough city to support another team just a question of where and they need to do so after Heart are actually established. Geelong maybe involved but lets remember it is also a regional area like Newy.
Sydney well you could go either Nth Shore/Southern end/ Campbelltown way the options are there. Either way you are gonna cut into area Wanderers/Smurfs think is theirs
Melbourne has to be the Dandenong area, large enough population and the demographics of the area is similar to that of Western Sydney.
Brisbane has 2 options I feel, Brisbane Strikers come back into the fold or you go to the Western Corridor Ipswich/Logan area (but then the available stadia comes into question)
Sydney if you go to the Sutherland area you're cutting FC territor, if you go to Campbelltown you're cutting in to WSW area.
Basically Expansion is necessary.
More teams more content
More content more money
More money better stability
If the rumored $80 million per year is true then that money needs to go to the clubs without the PFA pillaging it for the player. Clubs need to making money from the T.V rights not just the players.
Lets talk hypothetically for a second.
T.V rights worth 80m
Salary Cap raised to 3m (players get a pay rise still)
FFA divy out 5m per club.
5m x 12 Clubs = 60m (players salary is covered and clubs have 2m of revenue for elsewhere)
FFA are left with 20m, 5m per year better of then they are now.
A system like this would mean clubs like us and any other future "regional clubs" would be sustainable.
Brisbane couldn't support a second NRL team let alone an A-League team.
No point in adding a new Brisbane side until they get a new stadium. Will not work if it's in the city like the Brisbane roar. Talks of an nrl team in west Brisbane aswell so a team could work but yeah I'd have the stadium at 20,000 capacity with foundations to expand to 30,000 or so. Western Brisbane pride?
Not sure about adding a team in cronulla, I thought it was Sydney fc territory? I've been the for knights games before its a decent ground but it deffinately would need abit of an upgrade. They are getting a huge redevelopment in the area plus there is a leagues club next door so there is somewhat of an entertainment prescient around the area. Southern shire fc?
What will that mean with the draw though, will we still have 27 games of will games increase to 33?
Why can't the expansion come from existing Premier League clubs? Choose two that are organically successful.
this again?
clearly what is needed are teams from Darwin, Tasmania, Wollongong, Canberra, Maitland/Cessnock, Geelong, Coffs Harbour and Napier
Christmas Island should also consider a team as Sheeds is spot on about immigration
a second and third division is also essential oif we're to compete with Asian leagues
Question for Mr Grimario: Do you think Adelaide can support 2 teams in the A-League? United and city 10000ish average crowd each?
No.
shit, I forgot to mention South Melbourne - they should be in it too
largz is the only hope for australian football
1 Sydney New South Wales 4,667,283 20.91%
2 Melbourne Victoria 4,246,345 19.02%
3 Brisbane Queensland 2,189,878 9.81%
4 Perth Western Australia 1,897,548 8.50%
5 Adelaide South Australia 1,277,174 5.72%
6 Gold Coast-Tweed Heads Queensland/New South Wales 590,889 2.65%
7 Newcastle-Maitland New South Wales 418,958 1.88%
8 Canberra-Queanbeyan Australian Capital Territory/New South Wales 411,609 1.84%
* Australian Capital Territory Australian Capital Territorya 374,658 1.68%
9 Sunshine Coast Queensland 285,169 1.28%
10 Wollongong New South Wales 282,099 1.26%
11 Hobart Tasmania 216,959 0.97%
12 Geelong Victoria 179,042 0.80%
13 Townsville Queensland 171,971 0.77%
14 Cairns Queensland 142,528 0.64%
15 Darwin Northern Territory 131,678 0.59%
16 Toowoomba Queensland 110,472 0.49%
not convinced a southern syd team would work, Sydney fc already has a lot of supporters from that area
for whatever reason gold coast seems to struggle hosting any professional sporting team
Canberra may work better than other options
overall how are a league club finances? apart from the jets I haven't heard anything about other clubs sustainability
so no expansion, but they'll replace teams to get a better pay deal. bad luck bro's.Quote:
A third Sydney A-League team may replace Wellington Phoenix
Dominic Bossi
Published: October 21, 2015 - 8:45PM
A third Sydney team, based in the Sutherland Shire, could be introduced as early as next year with Wellington Phoenix's future in the A-League up in the air.
As Sydney prepares for the first of three derbies this season, no fewer than nine derbies could light up the football calendar in future years with a team based in the Sutherland Shire looming as a likely to take over Wellington Phoenix's A-League licence.
The New Zealand club's licence expires at the end of the season and while no decision on their future has been made yet by the FFA, the groundwork for finding a replacement is well under way.
Several meetings to establish a new A-League club have taken place in recent weeks between the top brass at FFA, Sutherland Shire Council, NRL club Cronulla and the Sutherland Shire Football Association, the largest football association in NSW and potentially Australia.
The FFA has ruled out expansion to a 12-team competition and confirmed any new team entering the competition would be at the expense of an existing club.
"There are no plans for expansion of the Hyundai A-League in the foreseeable future," head of the A-League Damien de Bohun said. "The strategy is all about sustainability of the national competition and stability of the current 10 clubs. It's a sign of the A-League's growing popularity that several regions around Australia are lobbying for a club in their markets, but that doesn't change our view that 10 is the right number of clubs."
Fairfax Media understands the governing body is looking at cutting all ties with New Zealand football, which offers little for Australian player development, broadcast revenue and A-League attendances. The Phoenix could be dumped as early as the end of this season, though no decision on an extension of their licence or a replacement bid has been made.
The FFA is already in negotiations with Fox Sports and major networks Nine, Ten and Seven over the next TV deal and an additional six derby games in Sydney would be an ideal drawcard for broadcasters in favour of ditching a New Zealand team.
The Sutherland Shire is not the only market the FFA is actively researching for a potential new club with a second team in Brisbane and a third in Melbourne also strongly considered.
An A-League bid from the south of Sydney – potentially also drawing from support in Wollongong – already has the full support of the local council. Sutherland Mayor Carmelo Pesce and councillor Kent Johns held talks with the FFA and would like a team based out of the region to enter "as soon as possible." Remondis Stadium in Woolooware – home of the Cronulla Sharks – is the council's preferred location for a team, rather than Jubilee Oval in Carlton.
"I believe the community of Sutherland Shire would be fully supportive of it and you would have my 100 per cent backing," Mayor Pesce said. "In our local soccer, we have more local players than anywhere in the state and maybe even Australia."
Shark Park is privately owned by the NRL club, which has joined the campaign for the region to be granted an A-League licence in order to accommodate another professional football club at the venue.
The NRL side has not discussed ownership of a potential A-League club with the FFA to establish a cross-code operation.
This story was found at: http://www.canberratimes.com.au/spor...21-gkf17t.html
Don't let the door hit you on the way out Nux.
Stupid decision imo
But it's all paper talk atm
Having to lean on a nrl club for an aleague team is abhorrent. Wake up ffa scumbags
Wasn't there a thing a couple years back about needing more teams to satisfy the AFC requirements? Dropping NZ was also a part of this.
I also saw another story yesterday that said 2 teams possibly coming in for the 17/18 season.
Still very early days though, whatever route they choose with the new teams, they need to take a page out of the AFL's playbook and start with a NYL team first.
a second Newcastle/Hunter team is definitely the answer
away trip to Maitland would be better than the coast
Metford Boyz would make the RBB look like they had never touched meth
expansion talk is ****ing crazy
Nah. Move to 20 team comp. Play each other twice, top 12 finals. Amazing scenes.
In an ideal world.
Reality is that until the TV money flows better the HAL is not financially viable unless you're talking MV or maybe SFC/WSW. The rest of the clubs run at a perpetual loss/ merry-go-round of owners going broke (BR, CCM, PG, AU, NJ, WP,MH) and any newcomers die in the arse (NQF, GCU).
A 3rd team for Sydney based out of the shire is madness, and would further dent an already financially precarious SFC. Likewise its madness to insert a 3rd team in Melbourne when the Heart effectively went under and are only surviving on oil money.
Canberra is seriously questionable, given that the Brumbies are broke and the Raiders are often the same. Tassie would be a failure, with a small ALF obsessed population that isn't centralised in any meaningful way.
Darwin and Geelong are laughable. A second team for Brisbane or Adelaide is unthinkable without greater TV money IMO.