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Very quiet in here.
Two rounds in and plenty of goals in all grades. Seems to be a big gap from top to bottom in the grades.
Did WPL manage to get to play today?Quote:
Originally Posted by Poseidon
Not surprised that FMNC aren't doing well, very young team and some players playing both games.
Adamstown will also go poor this year, some of their better players have left, they cling on to long term players that aren't deserving of a starting 1st grade spot and a couple players that happen to get injured every year.
FMNC 0 New Lambton 7
Buds 2 South Wallsend 4
Other 2 games washouts.
Looks like being
Warners Bay
Merewether
New Lambton
Day Light
Wallsend
Sth Wallsend
Daylight
Adamstown
Daylight
Thornton
Mid North Coast
Honestly looks to be a 4 horse race. Maybe Wallsend could be there or there abouts with some good results throughout the year. Still, must be a record number of w league players past and present in the competition which can only be good for the league? Hopefully girls from the bottom 4 sides don’t loose too much confidence from there encounters with the top 4 sides
Shaping up to be a great season. Getting a decent amount of media attention too which is good for for the league.
Saw the New Lambton coach complaining about their game against Adamstown being played on #2
Firstly why was it played on #2 and not #1?
Secondly why has the club dramatically reduced the size of #2 they have decreased the width by about 10m and decreased the length by about 5m. Poor field and poor form for the club to make such a small field
The field has been shifted toward the Clubhouse to avoid bad drainage in the corner near the drain. Council moved it as there was lots of room further across, and it is exactly the same size as always, just shifted. Hopefully that keeps it dry during winter as it is usually rained out for half the season. Nothing to do with the Club. It's a Council Field that gets marked once at the start of the season. The Club just remarks it.
Games were on Number 2 because Number one was used by the NPL Teams all weekend.
But in all seriousness why is he complaining all the grounds other than Adamstown 1 are pathetic in that competition. It’s a supposed Premier League competition played on community grounds. I heard unconfirmed that the Thornton match got called off because the cricket pitch area was too hard. Seriously!!! As for the competition itself three clubs are just making up the numbers. Hasn’t the New Lambton club brought players from other clubs that are now struggling. How can they be paid its unsustainable.Quote:
Originally Posted by flubber
Well New Lambton play at Alder which is a decent ground and some of their games are also played at Arthur Edden. Mid North's ground is good and John St Oval is fine at the start of the season. But I do get your point, though for whatever reason the club has decided to make Adamstown #2 much smaller, at least others are of a decent size. Though I do get your point, Myamblah and Walker Field are terrible as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnno
I know the Thornton match got called off in NewFM this week because the cricket pitch was unsafe to play on, it's a joke and Thornton should look at moving. Don Lawrence would be better.
Not sure about New Lambton buying players from other clubs, the two clubs that are struggling is Thornton (no players from there at New Lambton) and Adamstown (Laura Allen went there but she didn't want out because of money). New Lambton do pay players as do Warners Bay and I believe South Wallsend. Adamstown at the very least give all 1st grade players free rego.
One would wonder why the council didn't move it based on bad drainage in the corner that has been like that for a couple seasons. The council isn't concerned about that stuff while they initially marked it to say the club had nothing to do with it and didn't discuss it with the council is a furphy and goes against how Newcastle Council operates. That is to say they don't care about that stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by flubber
The ground is most certainly smaller than in previously both length and width, even if it has been shifted across.
Does the WPL have a player points system in place to prevent team loading?
If not, it needs it. I can understand the desire for players wanting to move in order to try and win the league but is is detrimental to the entire competition seeing the best players from the lower teams moving to the top teams every season. This just results in teams being stacked as they currently are and a completely lopsided competition.
Thornton Cricket pitch doesn't surprise me, we played on it the weekend before and the field was great other than the cricket pitch which was VERY wet and slippery. Not surprised that once it dried out it went like concrete. Got no idea how they resolve that issue either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goatscheese
Couple of years ago they introduced a limit on current W-League players, restricting each club to 3. As far as I know that is the only rule. It is difficult for the lower teams trying to attract players but of the players that switched clubs this year I do believe it was more about what the calibre of the coach and being in a competitive side than anything to do with money, if they do happen to get paid its virtually nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aegon
Think your confused - Unsustainable = NPL, costs and spend on WPL a fraction of the $150K+ budgets of the big NPL clubs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnno
Seriously any female being paid is getting virtually nothing and way below what they deserve but good on them for finally being able to earn some pocket money.
I will agree on this, Merewether & Southy home grounds are terrible.
I'd agree with that statement regarding coaches. South Wallsend is a good example of this.
The Club culture and how women's football is treated and developed is another aspect for sure.
Ideally tell cricket to **** off rip it out and returf the entire pitch.Quote:
Originally Posted by sammydog
I wouldn't fret about Adamstown Number 2 too much. There has been one round of WPL played there in 12 years and no more scheduled in the foreseeable future. Every other game since the WPL started has been played on Adamstown Number 1 or LMRFF, so I don't see that it's on the cards to make it a regular thing to play out of Number 2. I would hazard a guess that it's more what games were scheduled on that date and what grounds were available, rather than a desire to play on that ground.
Great to see this comp no where near as predictable as last couple of seasons approaching the half way mark. South Wallsend easily have the best side on paper and should be clear favourites to figure in the trophies.Quote:
Originally Posted by sammydog
I recently spoke with a player about this and was told that the New Lambton Coaches comments were taken out of context.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goatscheese
The main point he was trying to make is that all WPL games should be played on a pitch that is held to a certain standard, not the individual circumstances of playing on Adamstown no.2.
Haven't seen many games but around the half way mark of the competition here is my prediction on how I think the table will finish after round 21:
1. New Lambton
2. South Wallsend
3. Merewether
4. Warner's Bay
5. Wallsend
6. Mid North Coast
7. Thornton
8. Adamstown
Leading goal scorer will come from the top 5;
Andrews (NL) - 20 from 8 games
Kingsley (WB) - 19 from 12 games
Dobson - (Mer) 17 from 11 games
Brodigan (SW) - 16 from 10 games
Allan (NL) - 15 from 11 games
Totally agree and could play finals now as that will be the order. It’s just a shame this competition is so lopsided bottom 3 clubs so so far behind the rest. Wallsend next then the two most successful clubs in past 5 years in the Bay andMerewether will be 3 & 4 then the two clubs who have virtually brought the best players from the other clubs will finish 1 & 2 and that model in this competition played on suburban grounds with no gate takings is unsustainable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bull fighter
[QUOTE=Johnno;225449]Totally agree and could play finals now as that will be the order. It’s just a shame this competition is so lopsided bottom 3 clubs so so far behind the rest. Wallsend next then the two most successful clubs in past 5 years in the Bay andMerewether will be 3 & 4 then the two clubs who have virtually brought the best players from the other clubs will finish 1 & 2 and that model in this competition played on suburban grounds with no gate takings is unsustainable.[/QUOTE
Not sure what you mean about ‘buying’ players, think only maybe 1 or 2 players moved from other clubs to Southy.
Not enough quality players for an 8 team competition and this hasn’t been helped by the rapid growth in the other women’s codes.
Semi final preview this weekend with top 4 playing each other:
Warner's Bay v Merewether @ John Street Oval
South Wallsend v New Lambton @ Walker Field
Unfortunately won't be able to make either game but think that they will both be extremely entertaining and hard fought battles.
After 47 games not one draw this season, surely can't be far away....
POS TEAM PTS
1 New Lambton FC 36
2 South Wallsend JSC 27
3 Warners Bay FC 24
4 Merewether United FC 24
5 Wallsend FC 15
6 Adamstown Rosebud 6
7 Football Mid North Coast 6
8 Thornton Redbacks FC 3
But a hell of a lot of lopsided scorelinesQuote:
Originally Posted by Bull fighter
Nearly every comp that I have seen over the last 20 years invariably splits into a top and bottom half Johnno almost like 2 divisions within a comp, including Men, Boys, Girls, Mixed, Northern One & our mighty National Premier League with the likes of Magic, Edgy, Lambton & Olympic being in a different class to Adamstown, Lakes & Valentine and there has been quite a few lopsided scores in games over the last few seasons, no quick fix for these clubs just got to keep chipping away unfortunately can’t change it overnight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnno
Might happen better if there was promotion and relegation. Can't happen in WPL but in NPL where is the incentive for these teams to improve?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bull fighter
Agree to an extent but no where close to situation in this comp if you compare the goal differences (for and against) the gulf in the WPL is massive with three clubs already at -40+ what is the hope and desire for these clubs, players and volunteers to keep going when certain clubs can just pay players and others can’t. Rumour has it New Lambtons Player budget in WPL is $60K they don’t make this on match days but can afford it due to levying their 1200+ junior players. If Northern don’t do something soon there won’t be a WPL or if there is it will be 4 or 5 clubs. Already rumours Mid Coast are out next year and Thornton considering if it’s all worth it again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bull fighter
A big rumour based on nothing, imagine how much they have to levy their players to pay the player budget of $60k and also their NEWFM budget which would have to be a lot higher than $60K if the WPL rumour is correct (it isn't)Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnno
WPL need to implement a player points system. Too many players leave the lower to mid table teams to join the strong teams. if they limited player transfers, dual registered players, A-League players, etc at each club it would have at least some effect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnno
Who did you hear that from the Tooth Fairy Johnno.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnno
South Wallsend would have had the biggest budget and have assembled the strongest squad. From the outside they appear to be been very successful in obtaining sponsorship and good luck to them as they are bringing in quality players and pushing the level higher in the competition.
What I do seem to recall a couple of seasons ago was Thornton stacking their reserves/18's and winning the Grand Final 8 goals to 1, didn't hear you complaining about that lop sided result between the top two sides.
Not the place for an NPL discussion however - Weston finished last in 2017, they are first this year, if they got relegated to the second league last year you can almost comfortably say they would not be top of the npl table right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goatscheese
Incentive to improve is surely attracting better players, bigger crowds, maybe more sponsorship (I don’t know that as 100% fact it’s just an assumption)
Not sure if relegating a club like Weston with the history it has in this region is the best interest of the NPL
Your absolutely correct, the off field work required by mostly volunteers if order to get a club such as Weston back in this position is massive and it also requires great leadership.Quote:
Originally Posted by monz6
The parallels with the WPL is that, and I'm not trying to put down any volunteers from any other club who all do marvelous work but, I'm fairly sure both of the clubs currently running top 2 have done countless hours of work over the last 2 seasons off the field such as chasing sponsors, fundraising etc under astute management which will generally flow to on field success. Like a business you need your income streams producing enough in order to achieve the goals and aspirations of your club.
Thornton and Mid North Coast have also got to deal with their geographical locations but depending how you look at it that could be viewed as either a positive or negative, but it doesn't appear to be a problem for Weston.
Hoarding the talent in a couple of teams doesn't push the level of the competition higher, it makes in significantly weaker. even when these teams play each other the scores can get out of control. the comp is broken, money has ruined it. the lambton budget is the same as the mens in newfm, which i have heard first hand from a committee member and he was very proud of that as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bull fighter
Couple of teams?? So Merewether & Warners Bay both with current and former WLeague players don’t have any talent?? Seriously go and find out what the Southy, Warner’s Bay & Wallsend are spending and get back to us. This thread really is just starting to mirror the NPL thread and all the Magic haters not happy with all the work they do and the rewards that come with their dedication, get in and have a crack and stop your whining and jealousy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beppe
if they have w league players i can assure you they are getting paid. im not associated in the womans game so you can stop with the whining and jealousy garbage. fact of the matter is, the top teams are paying players, some more than others, the comp wont grow until the talent is spread out evenly, and that wont happen without a points system. is your end goal to have a successful club in a 5 team comp or actually grow the womans game. because young girls will walk away if they are getting smashed every week.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bull fighter
In previous years the talent was in concentrated in 1 or 2 teams but for the first time ever there are now 5 competitive teams all with current or former W League players so it’s improving. There is a restriction on the number of W League players any team can have in the comp, but surely you would know that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beppe
Are gate takings the only way a club can become financially stable?Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnno
I didn't know there was a restriction on the number of w league players each club could have. Its a good start but more needs to be done. A full player point system needs to be introduced or this comp will die a slow death as Thornton, Mid North Coast, Adamstown etc give up trying.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bull fighter