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So which clubs should be in this division but are struggling for a 3rd grade?
most of themQuote:
Originally Posted by Fred Devils
dont think so, 90% are good to go.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eastwest
Yeah I'm confident most clubs are good I reckon
Confirmed.
League One
(Formally Premier League)
3 Grades
1 Cardiff City FC
2 Dudley Redhead USSC
3 Hamilton Azzurri FC
4 Kotara South FC
5 Mayfield United Senior FC
6 Minmi Wanderers FC
7 Newcastle Olympic FC
8 Newcastle Suns FC
9 Newcastle University FC
10 Swansea FC
11 Warners Bay FC
12 Westlakes Wildcats FC
League Two
(Formally League One)
3 Grades
1 Bolwarra Lorn JSC
2 Cooks Hill UFC
3 Croudace Bay FC
4 Mayfield United JSFC
5 Merewether Advance SFC
6 New Lambton FC
7 Newcastle Croatia FC
8 North United Wolves FC
9 South Maitland FC
10 Stockton Sharks FC
11 Southern United FC
12 Wallsend FC
League Three
(Formally League Two)
2 Grades
1 Barnsley USC
2 Bellbird FC
3 Charlestown FC
4 Garden Suburb FC
5 Greta Branxton FC
6 Kurri Kurri FC
7 Lake Macquarie FC
8 Lambton Jaffas JFC
9 Medowie FC
10 Merewether United FC
11 Nelson Bay FC
12 Southern Lakes FC
Three way battle imo, Croudace Bay, Croatia and Southern the top 3. Who wins it is anyone?s guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lofty
Looking forward to it, a good competitive season, winner gets to go up to League 1.
Can anyone shed any light on why the Crabs didn't get promoted?
I can only assume ground may be the issue (not having seen it) as they won this thing on merit last year..
Very good question they should be up and Cardiff should be down. If the argument is they are a different club so can't go up then they should be in League 3.
Am led to believe that because ZL2 needed teams and they have the numbers to do so, is why they're not in ZL3.
Because Cardiff are a good enough club to remain in ZL1. One bad season doesn't define the club. Who knows they might surprise a few this year and let their results do the talking. It is likely that the crabs or Croatia get promoted this year and then year 2023 is forgotten about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Killa
At least this year there won't be any a club had one bad season and finished last therefore we can't put them down it wouldn't be fair. If we or Croudace Bay finish first we go up and the bottom team goes down.
Definitely wasn't a dig at Cardiff as they do have a long and successful history, but surely that wouldn't be the reasoning provided by Newy Football, hence my question as to what the actual reasoning was....Quote:
Originally Posted by Kicktheball
ExactlyQuote:
Originally Posted by Taffy
Predictions.
1. Croudace Bay
2. Norths
3. Croatia
4. Southern
5. Stockton.
6. New Lambton
7. Bolwarra
8. South Maitland
9. Cooks Hill
10. Merewether Advance
11. Wallsend
12. Mayfield Jnrs
My mail is that the Crabs were offered to go up, but they didn't have the funds to pay the entry fees.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taffy
Not sure of this is true, but it's what I was told today.
Did Norths sign some new players that can stay on the field for 90 ? LolQuote:
Originally Posted by biscuits
Find that hard to believe when the difference is minimalQuote:
Originally Posted by travellingman
Hearing Mayfield are asking to go down due to a lack of numbers?
Only got themselves to blame. No promotion of their training days or anything in regards to zone league. Lucky they have 100 all age sides to borrow players from to keep them afloat.Quote:
Originally Posted by riverboy
Maybe they should have been relegated as per the rules.Quote:
Originally Posted by Avocadomexican
Wallsend also asked to go down to zl3 but were knocked back after a couple of attempts. Wallsend had lost nearly all last years first grade that finished 9th and were again struggling for numbers so I think it was a valid case. Especially compared to some clubs in zl3.Quote:
Originally Posted by riverboy
Mayfield juniors came last the previous year. They should have been relegated under the rules.
Plenty of third grade forfeits comingQuote:
Originally Posted by anfield
Seems like getting rid of third grade is going to be the right move with so many clubs struggling to fill them
Meanwhile Croatia had a convincing win against an NPL side yesterday, early days but going to be a good year for Croatia.
Reserves got hammered and we got shown up but that doesn't matter, you don't get promoted of the strength of your reserves.
Nor do you get promoted in JanuaryQuote:
Originally Posted by Taffy
Given the experience Wallsend has last year and that information above it does seem valid for sure...Quote:
Originally Posted by anfield
Really interesting that they were knocked back, does that mean Newy Football have the view that its fill the grades or disappear as a club?
Seems that way if they don?t have the clubs best interest at heart.Quote:
Originally Posted by idontwannaplaywithhowey
Or could be for Northern to prove their point about removing threes.
CorrectQuote:
Originally Posted by ForeverRed
Yeah didn't say that I said it is going to be a good year.Quote:
Originally Posted by ForeverRed
2 clubs struggling to fill 3rd grade teams, so the other 22 clubs get punished??Quote:
Originally Posted by Taffy
Wallsend could easily be gone by Tuesday/Wednesday in all grades. That's the reality, Hard to see anything changing. Shame as numbers are OK for 2 grades.Quote:
Originally Posted by idontwannaplaywithhowey
Deffo not good, no one wants that. Looks like a bye round is comingQuote:
Originally Posted by anfield
Easy solution drop Wallsend into zl3 and bring up whoever came second last year.Quote:
Originally Posted by anfield
Do they have three grades? Just let them play with 2, if they are dropping thirds end of the season, why does it matter if there are some byes this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by riverboy
The more likely reason why they refused to drop Wallsend and Mayfield is because with promotion/relegation there is no point trying to mess up the league numbers now and they want to keep them even.
So 2 months out from the start of the season suddenly a new club has to try to find another 15+ blokes? It’s too late for that, you’ll just end up with that club trying to drop as well since they can’t field 3rds, or, a bye in 3rds.Quote:
Originally Posted by riverboy
Wallsend's case was very simple. All bar one Wallsend first grader has left. So basically it's a merger between Wallsend reserve grade and a mixture from Cardiff City's Zone League 2 squad from last year, first and Reserve.
It's no secret both squads probably struggled the most for numbers come game days. Lots of forfeits in lower grades. It's also no secret both clubs struggled severely to get results.
This years squad only had enough for two grades and have a squad that's only really capable of playing at Zone League 3 level. The playing just 2 grades doesn't really solve any issue. Importantly your lowest players are playing against the middle part of other clubs. With substitution
in this grade it doesn't really allow much participation for your weaker players.
Wallsend needs to rebuild, start again. The new promotion/relegation system is good in theory. But if you are dead set struggling in a division and don't get relegated you face 2 scenarios given their are no allowances. Get pumped and have more forfeits etc or disappear as a club. Not good
And herein lies the problem with the 3 grades, some clubs can easily fill 3 squads, then others can’t. But the problem persists if you drop a club or two and then try to replace them with clubs who either can’t fill 3 grades themselves, or are not at ZL2 level, get pumped, and then drop back down.
I can’t see a future for 3rd grade like this, unless it’s an opt in system for each ZL where if you’re playing a team that doesn’t have a 3rd grade side that week, you have a bye. Especially after a few promotions/relegations and clubs just having to drop their 3rd grade when they drop to ZL3, or have them play all age seperate to the main ZL squad.
Really the only two viable options if 3rds to remain, the other is to disbandQuote:
Originally Posted by Thomas477