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Anyone in this comp or have we all bailed?
Keen to know who?s in here
Looks like Lake Macquarie is coming back into the comp, seems they picked up an U18s team to sort their reserves. Merewether United also joining the comp
Good to see some new clubs and some old clubs returning.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taffy
Should be a good comp but can?t see anyone beating Croudace Bay
Agree with Croudace Bay comment, But I don't think they are going to be in ZL3. Why would a team that were minor premiers in the division above be dropped a division due to a change of clubs? Doesn't pass the pub test or common sense test.Quote:
Originally Posted by straightred88
Add to that , they are short of teams in ZL2. So at a minimum they will stay there.
How can they be premiers when they have never played a game ?Quote:
Originally Posted by anfield
Same outfit as Hamilton Azzurri ZL1 from last season. Just a change of clubs, I think it's known that they won't be in Zl3Quote:
Originally Posted by straightred88
You are missing my point. Technically they have never taken the field as Croudace Bay and by NF rules, any new clubs must start at the bottom zone division.Quote:
Originally Posted by anfield
It’s just a name change. I think the rule is more around a new club being formed from scratch and then wanting to slot in higher up the food chain. Surely there isn’t anyone who actually thinks they deserve to be demoted for changing their name? Surely?
I understand your point.Quote:
Originally Posted by straightred88
Here are 2 points that mean they won't be in zone league 3.
Point 1
You are correct about the rule, BUT the rule has been broken before which has been discussed in the Zone league 1 thread. Lochinvar were in the bottom grade, their squad basically started a new club South Maitland. They didn't go back to Zone league 3. That is exactly the same scenario that has happened at Croudace Bay.
I will add, that Wallsend Northern League 1 nearly didn't enter next year. If that whole squad went to South Wallsend, Do you think they would be made to start in Zone League 3. Considering there is promotion and relegation among the 5 divisions? I think not.
Point 2
Zone League 2 apparently was and still is short of clubs to make 12 teams.
Apparently Croudace Bay, Don't want to play in Zone league 3. Wouldn't it make sense to use them when it appears the other Zone league 3 clubs want to stay in that division?
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Originally Posted by Lofty
It is a new club from scratch.
What they want Doesn?t matter. Rule is there and will set a precedent for future clubs.Quote:
Originally Posted by anfield
But that's my point. The rule had been broken before with South Maitland. So the precedent has already been made.Quote:
Originally Posted by straightred88
Sounds like some people don't want Croudace Bay up.
I think the rule would hold more weight in this instance if it wasn?t for the fact that they want to run 3 divisions with the top 2 divisions having a squad of 3 grades. The associations know the crabs have 3 grades and unless more ZL3 teams put their hands up saying they?re coming in with an extra grade, the association needs to fill the leagues. Don?t want a repeat of last year with clubs like Wallsend forfeiting 3rd grade all but what, 4 rounds of the season?
Confirmed.
League One
(Formally Premier League)
3 Grades
1 Cardiff City FC
2 Dudley Redhead USSC
3 Hamilton Azzurri FC
4 Kotara South FC
5 Mayfield United Senior FC
6 Minmi Wanderers FC
7 Newcastle Olympic FC
8 Newcastle Suns FC
9 Newcastle University FC
10 Swansea FC
11 Warners Bay FC
12 Westlakes Wildcats FC
League Two
(Formally League One)
3 Grades
1 Bolwarra Lorn JSC
2 Cooks Hill UFC
3 Croudace Bay FC
4 Mayfield United JSFC
5 Merewether Advance SFC
6 New Lambton FC
7 Newcastle Croatia FC
8 North United Wolves FC
9 South Maitland FC
10 Stockton Sharks FC
11 Southern United FC
12 Wallsend FC
League Three
(Formally League Two)
2 Grades
1 Barnsley USC
2 Bellbird FC
3 Charlestown FC
4 Garden Suburb FC
5 Greta Branxton FC
6 Kurri Kurri FC
7 Lake Macquarie FC
8 Lambton Jaffas JFC
9 Medowie FC
10 Merewether United FC
11 Nelson Bay FC
12 Southern Lakes FC
Will be an interesting comp, few new clubs and some returning. Hard to pick.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lofty
It appears Croudace Bay are in Zone league 2.Quote:
Originally Posted by straightred88
The rule is that the committee can over rule any rule. Dry the tears already. So the rules arent broken. The committee can veto the "usual" promo relo status according to their wants. Is this fair? maybe not imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by straightred88
Movements
Southern United 1st, Cooks Hill 7th, up to ZL2
Cardiff City ZL3 gone. Any to G Suburb(s)?
Mayfield JSC dodged relegation from ZL2, Cardiff City avoided relegation from ZL1
No change to the ZL1
Good to see nearly all clubs remain.
Lake Mac, Southern Lakes, Garden S, Charlestown return to ZL2
Where is Southern Lakes getting their players from?
I would guess they would pick up some ex-Toronto players and others around the bottom of the lake but their 2 highest AA teams were J grade and G grade (admittedly both did well in their grades) and a 16s team that did well; but those just make a solid ressies not a 1sts.
They had 5 AA teams last year, would imagine you pick the best out and throw in a few other older players from NL1 you've got a decent ZL3 team. Plus the brand new facility might attract a couple
They are playing in Cooranbong, which is 8 mins from Morisset! 15mins for Bonnells Bay.
Could be taking some of the ex Morisset ZL players?
The new facilities they playing out of, would be a definite draw card for them!
Rumours Southern Lakes struggling for players. Wonder if anyone involved can confirm the club are good to go?Quote:
Originally Posted by biscuits
Competition can't afford to be loosing another club especially after the new additions to the competition.
As I expected.Quote:
Originally Posted by anfield
geez. struggling for 2 grades is a not much chop. That is if the rumours are true.Quote:
Originally Posted by anfield
Saw their post the other day - still looking for players but I would say a few clubs would beQuote:
Originally Posted by Eastwest
Hi all
Mayfield united seniors here
Any team looking for a trial that have access to a ground ?
we have our ZL1 3rd grade team and our AA team looking for trials available most weekends or midweek.
Or if any AA clubs would like a game
Let me know by private message or email the club president@mayfieldunitedfc.com.au
I keep an eye on all clubs Facebook for all the new signings and news. Garden Suburbs certainly have recruited well, a few guys from West wallsend.
Although I don't think announcing a player from an Under 18 A competition is newsworthy at all? I little odd, especially given it's a big step up to Zone league football.
Wandered over for the Merewether derby today. Pleasantly surprised by the new Merewether clubs move into Zone League. Merewether United beating the higher ranked Merewether Advance.
Good little derby played in good spirits but very competitive.
Good to see a new club looking fairly competitive and adding depth in that league
Merewether united squad is coming together nicely. Look it's only a trial but for us at United it was good to get 2 wins in both grades against good opposition. I think the cup idea is a great one that will grow, although being a new club it meant more to united.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Hacker
Merewether united have done alot of hard work off the field to make the move into Zone League successful. The club has also given a home too a few players from the Wallsend zone league squad that pulled out.
Merewether united have 1 or 2 positions left for this year's Zone League 3 squad. Mainly looking for defenders to complete what looks to be a competitive squad.
For all details contact Kieran on 0418453655 or send me a private msg.
Was anyone at the zone meeting ? Hearing if the winner of zone 3 can?t get 3 teams for zone 2 the year after the club could be removed from the zone competition altogether ? Surely not
I wasn't at meeting but I was told the same thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by straightred88
Some mixed messages here. A few months ago the talk was about scrapping third grade. A few months later clubs may be scrapped if they can't field a third grade. Got me confused....
I think they need to review this. The facts are no new clubs will ever join, nearly impossible to get the required 50 players to field a new club.
It also limits areas of who may join zone league. I think it's great that new clubs like Southern Lakes join. Hard to see clubs from the valley getting the required numbers to join.This move will only work for bigger clubs, smaller clubs will just drop out of Zone Football.
Exactly right. A circus all round.Quote:
Originally Posted by anfield
maybe you should go to the meetings, then you would not have to listen to mixed messages.Quote:
Originally Posted by anfield
They listened on not scrapping 3rds after more than 80% put there hand up to keep the ZL1 & ZL2 with 3 grades at the last meeting, tip your hat to them for making a quick decision on that one.
What your saying is not what was said, if they want to go up after winning ZL3 then they would have to have 3 grades, there is no way the zones will kick a club out for not fielding 3 grades if they win ZL3, they just wont go up
It is not the same in regards to ZL1 and NL1 movements that are being discussed, with some great, sensible discussions about how it should be done.
Maybe he?s not his clubs rep and I?m sure not all clubs were represented like most of the time. Always the same crap anyway. Let me guess, here?s a piece of paper with changes blah blahQuote:
Originally Posted by Jardelsimage
Maybe I should go, but I didn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jardelsimage
I was told that directly from someone at the meeting.....
Again I was told that the joint board said they expected all teams going up from zl3 to zl2 to provide 3 grades. Again I was told a Nelson Bay representative asked if they won zl3 and were promoted what would happen. The response was their entry into the competition might not be accepted.
I only mentioned it after straightred88 stated this, obviously he heard this from someone at the meeting too...
Exactly what I was told.Quote:
Originally Posted by anfield
i was there and thats not what i heard, it was a bit of a drop the ball moment from the powers, who fumbled there way through it, something about helping clubs get through it all, similar to the northern thought process on being promoted to NL1, it is compulsory but clubs will be helped.Quote:
Originally Posted by straightred88
In the end the clubs that say i cant get a 3rds, from areas/clubs that have quite a few AA sides, are not really trying.
Also heard one club say something along the lines of "we dont even talk to our AA sides" the club/town is split in half and that there is half the problem, giving up before even trying...
but in the end, people will hear what they want to hear....