Coaches/Managers

I thought it might be interesting to look at all our coaches from over the years.
Jeterpool do you have all the stats from our coaches ?
Games coached, win % and I thought it might be interesting to put the age of the coach in also and how many coaches each team has used too.
The league is becoming a league of younger players now and I'm wondering if we are going to see a move towards younger coaches.
i.e Milligan. Recently retired and now looking for a first chance at being a Head coach and being a cheaper option too.
The Jets have a history of these types of coaches so we are used to it. A new inexperienced coach for 2 years. Rinse and Repeat.
I'm not saying I think this is a good thing.
We saw the difference in bringing in an experienced, proven coach like Ernie Merrick did for the club.
I'm guessing he would have cost Martin Lee though to get him.
Do we ever hear what a coaches wages are ?
I'm guessing a coach like Stanton/Milligan is probably about $150-$180k per year.
Aloisi/Vidmar $200-$250k per year.
Going the cheap option every time with a 2 year contract would save a club a lot of money over the years and reduces the risk of early pay outs too.
Eventually you might strike it lucky and get someone who can over achieve and have a better than expected season. Is that the theory ?
In a league with no threat of relegation and owners who are sticking to a tighter budget. It's almost a risk free strategy.
If you don't get great results from a coach you just bring in a new one every 2 years. It gives the fans hope that things will change and improve. (NOT)

Yeah I absolutely have that info. I'll pull something together.

I don't have ages but I have length of tenure, records against individual teams.

I will limit it to A-League era only.

Jets woman?s coach has been demoted to youth teams, another new coach for the girls

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Originally Posted by ForeverRed

Jets woman?s coach has been demoted to youth teams, another new coach for the girls

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This is a good thing. I watched or attended all matches this season and we got found out far too easily but we didn't adapt. We conceded the most goals and the team should have done better than it did. Recruitment of the goalkeeper to replace Nino failed while the late response to Ayres and Bolden leaving didn't work.

Funnily enough, I have a pre-populated forum-friendly section of the spreadsheet in my coaches records tab. Made this analysis very easy. See below

Note - this is A-LEAGUE ONLY and doesn't include Australia Cup, ACL, etc. I can work that out later.

I am also wanting to add how many points they gained from losing positions and how many they lost from winning and recovered draws (i.e. 0-1 to 1-1 to 1-2 is 1 point lost we had at one stage recovered)

Coach	Matches	Goals For	Goals Conceded	1st Half For	1st Half Conceded	YC	Second Yellow	Straight Red	RC	Win	Draw	Loss	WIN %	DRAW %	LOSS %	Average Goals For	Avg Goals Conceded
Robert Stanton	53	82	91	35	38	74	1	0	1	14	16	23	26%	30%	43%	1.55	1.72
Arthur Papas	52	75	88	27	40	112	3	4	7	16	10	26	31%	19%	50%	1.44	1.69
Carl Robinson	10	15	6	6	4	20	0	0	0	6	3	1	60%	30%	10%	1.50	0.60
Ernie Merrick	67	110	100	42	46	113	2	3	5	28	13	26	42%	19%	39%	1.64	1.49
Scott Miller	27	28	41	10	14	54	5	2	7	8	6	13	30%	22%	48%	1.04	1.52
Phil Stubbins	27	23	55	9	15	67	1	1	2	3	8	16	11%	30%	59%	0.85	2.04
Branko Culina	59	63	81	31	37	101	4	4	8	20	12	27	34%	20%	46%	1.07	1.37
Gary Van Egmond	129	161	181	70	77	278	7	6	13	46	32	51	36%	25%	40%	1.25	1.40
Clayton Zane	12	19	17	8	9	30	0	1	1	5	2	5	42%	17%	42%	1.58	1.42
Nick Theodorakopoulos	7	6	16	3	9	8	2	1	3	0	3	4	0%	43%	57%	0.86	2.29
Mark Jones	27	28	53	13	24	58	1	0	1	5	7	15	19%	26%	56%	1.04	1.96
Craig Deans	34	34	51	17	28	71	0	0	0	8	7	19	24%	21%	56%	1.00	1.50
Richard Money	23	28	31	16	8	40	1	2	3	9	5	9	39%	22%	39%	1.22	1.35

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Originally Posted by Jeterpool

Funnily enough, I have a pre-populated forum-friendly section of the spreadsheet in my coaches records tab. Made this analysis very easy. See below

Note - this is A-LEAGUE ONLY and doesn't include Australia Cup, ACL, etc. I can work that out later.

I am also wanting to add how many points they gained from losing positions and how many they lost from winning and recovered draws (i.e. 0-1 to 1-1 to 1-2 is 1 point lost we had at one stage recovered)

Coach	Matches	Goals For	Goals Conceded	1st Half For	1st Half Conceded	YC	Second Yellow	Straight Red	RC	Win	Draw	Loss	WIN %	DRAW %	LOSS %	Average Goals For	Avg Goals Conceded
Robert Stanton	53	82	91	35	38	74	1	0	1	14	16	23	26%	30%	43%	1.55	1.72
Arthur Papas	52	75	88	27	40	112	3	4	7	16	10	26	31%	19%	50%	1.44	1.69
Carl Robinson	10	15	6	6	4	20	0	0	0	6	3	1	60%	30%	10%	1.50	0.60
Ernie Merrick	67	110	100	42	46	113	2	3	5	28	13	26	42%	19%	39%	1.64	1.49
Scott Miller	27	28	41	10	14	54	5	2	7	8	6	13	30%	22%	48%	1.04	1.52
Phil Stubbins	27	23	55	9	15	67	1	1	2	3	8	16	11%	30%	59%	0.85	2.04
Branko Culina	59	63	81	31	37	101	4	4	8	20	12	27	34%	20%	46%	1.07	1.37
Gary Van Egmond	129	161	181	70	77	278	7	6	13	46	32	51	36%	25%	40%	1.25	1.40
Clayton Zane	12	19	17	8	9	30	0	1	1	5	2	5	42%	17%	42%	1.58	1.42
Nick Theodorakopoulos	7	6	16	3	9	8	2	1	3	0	3	4	0%	43%	57%	0.86	2.29
Mark Jones	27	28	53	13	24	58	1	0	1	5	7	15	19%	26%	56%	1.04	1.96
Craig Deans	34	34	51	17	28	71	0	0	0	8	7	19	24%	21%	56%	1.00	1.50
Richard Money	23	28	31	16	8	40	1	2	3	9	5	9	39%	22%	39%	1.22	1.35

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Almost every coach has conceded more goals then they scored while in charge, **** me sums up how shit weve been

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Originally Posted by ForeverRed

Jets woman?s coach has been demoted to youth teams, another new coach for the girls

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He had to go Red he coaches them
Like under 6 kids from the sideline on match days

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Originally Posted by Alton

He had to go Red he coaches them
Like under 6 kids from the sideline on match days

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Yes I agree,

Another thread reminding me how much I love you JP. Please never stop being so good to all is plebs on this forum and keep up the good work.

Some interesting discipline stats, that run under Miller when we played with 10 men way too often was terrible to watch. But then seeing the Youth coaches like Zane and Stubbings letting their players get bullied too often was also frustrating.

The thing about Ernie's team, you always thought they were a chance no matter how many were scored against.

His team v our 2007 team would be thrilling.

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Originally Posted by Jetmaster

The thing about Ernie's team, you always thought they were a chance no matter how many were scored against.

His team v our 2007 team would be thrilling.

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Only really in his first season. Got found out real quick season 2 and wouldn't change things

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Originally Posted by Frodo

Another thread reminding me how much I love you JP. Please never stop being so good to all is plebs on this forum and keep up the good work.

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Thank you Mr Baggins

I think Phil Stubbins is the worst coach we have ever had.
3 wins from 27 games. Enough said !
I thought when Scott Miller was here he had good potential but lost his way as the season went on.
I always thought Mark Jones was a strange appointment and wasn't surprised when he didn't last long.
Great work on the post Jeterpool.

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Originally Posted by StannyCFCJET

Only really in his first season. Got found out real quick season 2 and wouldn't change things

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Agree, 2007 team v 2017 team.

OK, table 2 - I've tried to keep as much relevant data for analysis as I can without making it too hard to read. This is a breakdown of not only how many points each coach collected from behind/lost while ahead, but also how many times they scored first in matches and when their teams scored or conceded (in 15 minute chunks)

A reminder this is in the A-LEAGUE ONLY. Also 91-105 and 105-120 is extra time periods, not added additional time in regular half; that's included as 45+/90+. Also, points lost also includes where we have been behind, equalised (i.e. earning a potential point) and then gone behind again. It doesn't include 1 point lost from conceding first from a 0-0 scoreline.

Makes for some very interesting reading.

Jets Coaching Summary

Coach	Matches	Goals For	Goals Conceded	Points per Match	Points Gained from Behind	Points lost from ahead	JETS GOALS/FIRST SCORER	0-15	16-30	31-45+	46-60	61-75	76-90+	91-105+	106-120+	Opponent GOALS/FIRST SCORER	0-15	16-30	31-45+	46-60	61-75	76-90+	91-105+	106-120+
Robert Stanton	53	82	91	1.09	10	37	28	12	14	8	18	16	14	0	0	24	10	9	18	15	15	24	0	0
Arthur Papas	52	75	88	1.12	9	21	22	5	7	15	17	16	15	0	0	29	8	16	16	17	13	18	0	0
Carl Robinson	10	15	6	2.10	4	2	6	1	2	3	3	2	4	0	0	3	1	3	0	1	1	0	0	0
Ernie Merrick	67	110	100	1.45	26	31	31	11	11	19	20	23	26	0	0	35	17	13	16	18	20	16	0	0
Scott Miller	27	28	41	1.11	8	15	11	4	4	2	6	8	4	0	0	14	3	4	7	9	8	10	0	0
Phil Stubbins	27	23	55	0.63	2	17	10	1	5	3	3	5	6	0	0	15	6	5	4	10	13	17	0	0
Branko Culina	59	63	81	1.22	3	27	29	13	9	8	12	7	14	0	0	26	4	14	18	8	11	24	1	1
Gary Van Egmond	129	161	181	1.32	26	55	61	17	28	25	27	26	36	2	0	59	24	19	32	30	33	41	1	1
Clayton Zane	12	19	17	1.42	1	8	8	0	6	2	5	2	4	0	0	4	3	2	4	1	3	4	0	0
Nick Theodorakopoulos	7	6	16	0.43	2	1	0	0	1	2	1	1	1	0	0	6	3	2	4	0	3	4	0	0
Mark Jones	27	28	53	0.81	10	10	6	3	4	6	2	7	6	0	0	20	7	6	11	12	11	6	0	0
Craig Deans	34	34	51	0.91	10	15	10	2	10	5	6	7	4	0	0	22	11	8	10	7	9	6	0	0
Richard Money	23	28	31	1.39	1	6	12	3	9	4	3	3	6	0	0	9	3	1	4	4	10	9	0	0

Wow, the most damning stat over our history:
Points gained from behind: 112
Points lost from ahead: 245

That is a fair point. 37 for Stanton stands out and could be related to a young squad.
What was also interesting is 59% of the goals conceded by Stanton's team were in the second half

I know 10 games are not much when it comes to statistics, but Robinson had a pretty solid record in his short tenure.
Shame it ended like that, it looked very promising.

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Originally Posted by A.J.

Wow, the most damning stat over our history:
Points gained from behind: 112
Points lost from ahead: 245

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Also, my life is going to be at least 5 years shorter just because of all the frustration :rof:

Would love to see Ownership and Crowd avgs included with this too.

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Originally Posted by The Postman

Would love to see Ownership and Crowd avgs included with this too.

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As in what ownership they worked under and the average home crowd for league matches?

Will certainly be skewed for those during the COVID era and it's safe to say that overall interest in the league has waned since the Del Piero/Heskey/Ono period.

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Originally Posted by Jeterpool

As in what ownership they worked under and the average home crowd for league matches?

Will certainly be skewed for those during the COVID era and it's safe to say that overall interest in the league has waned since the Del Piero/Heskey/Ono period.

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Yeah, spot on, curious to see if Home Crowed averages went up when each new Ownership took over + obvious the correlation between results and crowd numbers.

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Originally Posted by The Postman

Yeah, spot on, curious to see if Home Crowed averages went up when each new Ownership took over + obvious the correlation between results and crowd numbers.

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OK. I'll need some time.