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Should this thread title be changed to 2021 JDL or Junior Development Leagues in line with the NNSWF name change?
I see Central Coast United announcing Trials for Junior Development League with NNSW for this season for both the boys and girls comps.
Merewether WPL are still looking for a few girls for their under 11 JDL, and a goalkeeper. Great bunch of girls all come together as a new team end of last year so lots of friendly new faces. training is 5pm - 6pm Mon, Tue, Thur. Some girls come all three nights some can only make it two, they are all having a great time and learning lots.
Northern NSW Football has determined to conduct a series of 6 v 6 games on the small sided courts at its headquarters at the Lake Macquarie Regional Football Facility, Speers Point for the first 3 rounds of the competition starting in mid March.
Northern NSW Football has stated that:
• Each team will play a minimum of 2 matches per weekend, meaning a total of 6 matches over 3 weekends.
• Matches will be 2 x 15min halves.
• Ideally teams will play their two matches back-to-back to avoid parents having to stay around the facility for several hours.
• Matches will be scheduled on Saturday and Sunday; however, teams will only be scheduled to play on either Saturday or Sunday on each weekend.
• Matches will be played under Football Fives rules, which will be distributed closer to the start of the season.
• Northern NSW Technical staff will be in attendance at all JDL Fives days.
• Fixtures for rounds 1-3 will be released by 26th February.
Under 11s and Under 12 specifics:
• Further to the above, given the potential size of squads for these age groups –matches will be 6-a-side (6 players each on the field at any time).
• For clubs with 13 or 14 registered players (on PlayFootball) in the under 11s or under 12s, there is an opportunity to split each JDL team into 2 Fives teams to ensure players are getting adequate match time throughout the 3 week period. These teams can be rotated and changed on a game by game basis, there will be no restrictive rules on who can play for each team, other than noting that teams may play at the same time so must be self sufficient.
over 6 games or 12 half games to satisfy appropriate playing time for all players.
I do not see the point at all of the above.
The fields aren't big enough for 6v6
I have no idea what the driving force behind this is except to maybe make it easier for the NNSWF staff to see the players.
Small sided 5v5 or 6v6 is not going to be a true reflection on how some players actually perform in real games.
Using the small sided games to determine how teams are allocated into the appropriate competition level is a farce.
It's not clear to me whether clubs will be charged for this exercise, so I'm not sure revenue raising is the reason... But, it's also not clear what the motivation is here.
It's obvious to most people I've spoken to that this will not satisfactorily produce the stated outcome so why do it? It's not much better than just asking clubs to grade their own teams
I don't understand why they can't run essentially the same format but on the bigger fields with the correct number of players? What's the benefit to them to run it in the cages? It's not like grading teams gets easier in the cages.. is it?
I agree grading will make for a better development environment - but I just don't see their process working.
Looking forward to the season though.
The only reason I can see is that they can get 8 games going at once and not 4.
They started off well with clubs to record their scores so that Northern can grade them properly but give it 8 weeks under normal conditionsQuote:
I agree grading will make for a better development environment - but I just don't see their process working.
just poll the coaches especially in 11s and 12s. They will all know straight away who the strongest clubs are. would have been solved in 5mins.
its been clear from the start the better teams dont want to be winning 30 nil every week. the teams getting beat 30 nil every week dont want their kids getting flogged.
the stronger teams will want to be in the top division, the ones needing more development will want to be separated.
this 5 a side idea solves nothing.
Hi guys. Happy new year to you all.
At the end of last season we were asked to submit results from our games to Northern as these were to be used to grade the teams this season. So, this 5 v 5 comp shouldn’t be necessary.
Some may say that teams may have changed since then, and while this is true, I believe teams will largely be similar in strength. A 5 a side comp isn’t going to tell anyway anything different than they already know.
If anyone from Northern reads these forums, could you come on and explain the reasons/benefits of this change in format? The memos sent out only advise of the change without any explanation for it.
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Maitland WPL U/13’s is chasing a goal keeper for the upcoming season. If anyone knows of someone who might be interested get them to contact me on 0421646037
Cheers Cal
Wasn't it stated last season that its all about forcing the kids to get more touches on the ball and be involved? NSW Football did an audit and found kids were getting minimal touches on the bigger pitches?
Maybe the idea is that the kids cant hide or be bypassed when locked into a small area. You may find the stronger teams aren't as free flowing once a new set of skills is needed and weaker kids occupying space.
Not sure of the report you are referring to, so theres no way ill disagree.It can be looked at two ways. the smaller pitch can mean that bigger stronger faster kids just end up in an under 5's style cluster of kids competing for the ball.
One thing from watching kids go from 9's go through to the now 12's age group, is that the better teams (and therefore coaches) teach the kids how to use the space on the park, how to drag defenders to open channels and how to still be involved and contributing when they dont have the ball.Thats a really big skill for the kids and its often overlooked.The better teams in the older age groups are all playing through and around teams with the ball. players are working off the ball to create space for others and there is definitely a level of football IQ being introduced to the kids.
Any teams in those age groups booting long balls and hoping for the best are getting found out. Thats why i dont think the small side games give a good representation of the 11s and 12s when its just to grade the kids for a totally different format.
But just to clarify I totally agree on your point here.The very best kids in the program will thrive in any format.But there are kids who's game and skills are better suited to a bigger field.The one folly in the program has always been trying to use the cirriculum to produce just one type of player.teams need a variety of talents,and most teams in the program have a pretty good balance.The better coaches seem to have taken the strengths of the kids they have and highlighted the good and worked on the bad.
Would have joined a futsal comp if the lads wanted to play that. Maybe as a preseason day. Plus it cuts bigger sided games down for the season the season.
Because that's not what junior development is about. there is NO point going to a bigger field if you can only control the ball with your first touch 50% of the time. If you don't have those 4 core skills nailed (1v1, first touch, passing / striking the ball, and running with the ball) then you will only fall further and further behind. Because they just don't have the time in NPL to go back and teach you ball control, when the ball is kicked from the goal keeper and you consistently can't get it under control. Forget about the type of player, forget about the team. Even if a team is winning 10 nil, it doesn't mean they are nailing those skills, and it will only become really apparent when all of a sudden they play with a different team, or they want to move up a division and play with better kids. Junior development is not about the GAME. that's what the game training phase is for, but they can't teach that phase properly if the kids aren't drilled until their eyes bleed in those four core skills.
The best advice I'd give any parent going into any development program now is to forget about what everyone else is doing and just make sure your player nails those 4 core skills, kids that have poor first touch will fall away from the higher divisions as they get older and the kids that have it nailed are moving onto more advanced game training.
in a vacuum for sure its the only thing that matters.Unfortunately by the time the kids get to 12's, training gn 2/3 nights a week then playing on weekends they need to have the fun/social aspect of the sport.The games are important to keep up their competitive side, their fitness and their overall knowledge of the game.they will just get bored and head elsewhere if its monotonous lessons all the time.
to be clear i agree with everything you said. but the practicalities of it are the games are becoming more and more important as they get older so clubs need to cater for more aspects of the game at the older ages (empasis on older ages - no way 9s or 10s) .its a fine balance but the better teams across the 12's age groups are the ones who have the kids with the best skills.its all self perpetuating as far as im concerned. all im saying is that it doesnt take a 5 aside comp on a few weekends to know this.
KITZ, I disagree.
Training is where you learn & develop the 4 core skills.
Games are where you learn how use the 4 core skills.
No amount of training can replicate game time learning.
This is true from foundation level at sports all the way through to professional players.
The game allows them to put those skills and develop their skills as a player, more time and more touches on the ball will help improve their individual skills.
Game Training isn't about the GAME either, game training is about developing skills to play the game as a team and learning how the team comes together to play.
The only time when it is about the GAME is when they become seniors and that is winning.
i agree with this.The way i read KITZ post was something similar.There is absolutely a difference between teams that train to win games and teams that train to put their skills into games.Im just saying that the teams that train to put their skills into games are the teams that end up winning way more anyway.I havent seen enough NPL youth to know if the emphasis on skills is thrown out the window from 13's but hopefully the first crop of SAP kids going in next year retain that priority.
Agree here too.Im already seeing some pretty wary kids in the program entering year 4 and the line between being super serious and looking miserable is getting blurred.Sadly i think a fair bit of the misery in inflicted by parents.We've been lucky in that there has always been a very defined line between the kids and the parents at training and games.But some places ive been i see a lot of sideline coaching at training let alone games by parents.Ive yet to see a kid turn around and say "thanks for yelling at me in front of my friends dad i am really going to take on board what you've said".
Here’s a good barometer. Does the kid grab a ball and have a kick with his mates, does he have a player he looks up to or does he just play when you drag him to training. Even the most serious players need a place where they can express themselves without fear of failure and they will learn more in those environments than they ever will in a structured training session.
I saw on social media over the weekend New Lambton looking for a JDL 10's coach for this year.I thought Steve on here was the coach,hope everything is ok if hes not coaching.New Lambton seem to have and a lot of turnover of coaches this year and advertising this late would be concerning for parents forking out good money.Is that normal?
Coaching SAP/JDL is an altogether different level of commitment than at the community level. When you consider that we now have JDL boys U9-12 and girls U10-12 (I think) this is around 140 teams.
So 140 coaches in the Newcastle area required to train kids for 2-3 sessions a week for very little return.
I'm surprised more clubs aren't still trying to find coaches.
It's hard as it is just filling teams with players for some clubs.
@boz-monaut
Can you please update the name of this from "Premier Club SAP" to "Junior Development League"?
im not arguing its difficult to find coaches.im just saying that putting out expressions of interest after fees have been paid would be concerning for parents who have paid good money thinking they are getting a better level of coaching.Clubs are already out there trialling and in full training mode.If my kid was yet to be appointed a coach id be concerned they were getting value for money.