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The coast is delisted by fa aren’t they?
Central Coast United & the Mariners aren’t part of the rebel comp & are still affiliated to FNSW at that level
Azzurri vs Valo trials this weekend.
From what I heard they had decent amount of players chose not to trial and requested to play in Community Teams instead of NPL or went to other NL1 teams. Most of the 2021 players that were keen, were retained in the NPL teams for 2022.
Looks to me like a lot of kids were happy being toward the top of the table in 2nd division teams and weren't that interested in being NPL up agasint the traditional powerhouse teams.
To be fair a quick look at the 2021 ladders show why:
u13s W GD
9th 1 -64
10th 2 -67
11th 0 -125
u14s W GD
9th 3 -60
10th 3 -59
11th 3 -67
u15s W GD
9th 1 -31
10th 2 -58
11th 1 -72
u16s W GD
9th 3 -46
10th 1 -55
11th 1 -52
Thats alot of teams/players having very rough years, and it happens year on year. I can see why so many kids/parents would be happy playing NL1 at clubs like Cooks Hill where they know theyll be fighting for top of the table.
Thats great if thats all you ever want to do with your football and theres certainly no problem with that.... As long as their parents aren't selling them that they will be superstars doing it, and thats certainly the attitude I came across every time we had to deal with New Lambton. Terrible player behaviour, followed up by their parents, who had obviously been drinking all the same koolaide. Glad it's a VERY rare occurrence we've ever had to play them.
Don't discount the development opportunities that working hard gets you even if you aren't at the top. Theres still kids from the bottom team in 13/14/15's ladder there you posted that are in TSP and moving upwards from there as well. You might be coming first at New Lambton in 2nd DIV but walking into a win every weekend only gets you so far. The rest is just bloody hard work.
I wonder if that gap between New Lambton and other NL1 clubs will grow even more this year as their 13's will be the first year of JDL kids coming through.They always have good JDL teams I wonder how many of the kids went to NPL teams and how many stayed to play 13's there.I dont have any issues with kids wanting to stay in NL1 and compete for trophies but yes I've had the same experience in the past where people within that club certainly enjoy telling you their teams are better than certain NPL clubs.I agree with you that for a lot of the kids winning a trophy at 13 isnt the point and I remember the Magic 13's from last year dishing out decent floggings to teams that were pushing for finals spots.It always seems to sting the parents way more than the kids when they lose.My son is so pumped up to get back out there and hes more than aware that there will be great days and bad days its all part of life.
New Lambton beat NPL clubs at various age groups in youth and certainly 18s last season.
There is excellent coaching across all grades with a lot of involvement and inclusion from all grades up to seniors.
Ive been involved in both NPL and NL1/NewFM over the years and I can categorically say, I would rather my kid (if they didn't make one of the successful NPL sides) to be playing at a New Lambton, or previous to this (not sure about now, but 3/4 years ago) South Cardiff.
Ive seen some of the absolute dross offered up to players at the mid to low NPL tier, but parents and kids want to be able to say they play NPL so they go and pretend it's all good and worth the money.
Some of the best coaches I've seen are in NL1, and are just loyal to the clubs they played for/gave them a start.
Lets face it, nobodies kid who is playing NPL in Newcastle at 15 is going to go pro. At least get value for money, good role models, an inclusive club that provides opportunities for retention and growth, and don't give your rego $ to clubs that are going to use it to give you an out of date coach so they can push the rest onto a first grader who should not be earning what they earn.
Thanks for the response.I certainly dont want to turn this into a club bashing exercise and your points are all good.New Lambton were always well represented in JDL when my son played against them.My point was more about wondering if kids in good NL1 teams ever leave to try it in upper NPL clubs or once they are there and comfortable more stay for the journey through youth?I heard their good JDL team has split up and 1/2 the kids went to Magic/Jaffas and the other half stayed.It will be interesting to see how many go back to New Lambton or how many others leave thinking there is perceived higher level for them.Its probably not an issue if the rumoured move to NPL is on the cards in the near future anyway.I agree that essentially none of the kids will make it to the big time but coming through the JDL experience has taught me 1st grade is a real goal for a lot of kids and clubs.Time will tell.
Get off the koolaide. I’m specifically talking about behaviour and if the standard was set then the players wouldn’t have even attempted to put on such an Performance to begin with, let alone the name calling etc after the game.
Let’s face it no one who was there cares about the rambling crap you added after; they represented the club and thats what they sold to everyone there at the time.
Also Angus thurgate was playing NPL up here at 15 I’m pretty sure. God it gets old all those tall poppies out there who think because they or their kid didn’t do something that no kid ever will.
**** me it gets boring hearing that same old crap.
no one who was there? Sorry, must be mistaken - Im not aware of any particular incident nor am I referring to one. The only name calling I have experienced was an NPL coach berating NL1 players, officials, and referees after they were beaten in a trial - on most occasions, but usually just the one club tbh.
To be fair there were also as many npl clubs/officials and players that were fine being beaten by a lower graded side.
As for any incident you're referring to above, I have no idea - I was responding to sapdad and just giving my experience that I have thought the standard of program at NL recently, and not too long ago at South Cardiff (Cant comment on now) rivalled the better NPL setups and were certainly better than the mid to lower NPL setups. Sorry it upset you so much to hear my lived experience.
Season hasn’t even started.
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Usually found New Lambton parents to be the worst but the players act entirely differently which is a good things.
In terms of NL1 teams beating NPL clubs, yes it does happen and indeed happened this past weekend. The sooner Northern separate the youth comps from the seniors into three tiers with promotion and relegation the better it will be for all the players. And actually force struggling NPL clubs to improve what they provide.
I wonder if that's what will happen or if kids just move every year to the team that goes up from the team that goes down - I think cooks coming in is an example, mostly they all just shuffled around again for the most part.
In regards to my previous response, I know I got a bit frustrated but I hate that we write off (or speak about) our developing players like that constantly, how can we expect more from them if we have written them off right from the start, we need to change the conversation around football development in the area. The recipe for success exists but players are just either working it out on their own or falling into it, most of it is up to parents who have to work out the system really quickly or make the right connections or just hope for sheer luck that they are doing the right things. I think there are things that we can do as parents / volunteers / members of the football community to help things change for the better - one of those is passing on knowledge to parents who are just coming through the system in JDL, we assume that everyone knows football, but the reality is not all parents understand the landscape of football development and maybe there are kids missing out because of it.
anyway, lets at least hope they get a full season this year - that would be a great start!
And that might happen, but I can't imagine whole teams switching between the promoted and relegated ones, particularly if the tiers are now tighter in competition. Big different going from best of 8 to now play against only 7 teams which you're competitive against compared to joining a group of 13 of which half you're not competitive against.
De-coupling the youth should also happen in line with a competition re-shuffle.
There are a possible 24 teams (including Mid Coast, Nth Coast and Nth Inland).
3 groups of 8 with club championship pro/rel seems like a no brainer.
Realistically a few teams should not be required to field Jr's and you could get away with 2 groups of 10 or 11.
Well look seniors could be rehuffled as well.
If you can get 22 clubs, then have three groups of 7. Top 2 promoted every week.
I'd certainly ensure that Youth and Senior performance is separate though I would say the only way to get promoted from the bottom side is if you have all youth teams. If you don't then you remain in Div 3
I also see a lot of kids leaving NL1 every year to go to NPL clubs, not just to "say they are playing in NPL", but also because they need a challenge. Clubs do a lot of work developing kids and then NPL clubs come and poach them, because they need a challenge and sometimes the attraction is "you get to be an NPL player".
I can see why some Cooks Hills players left, because they go from NL1 to a large NPL league. But if it was broken up into three tiers. You could be top and then you're moving up to a smaller tier and against a closer range of teams that you're competitive against. Not into a large league where you will struggle bad for half the season.
Some may move, some may not, I would hope the club would show loyalty to most of the players should they be promoted.Quote:
Secondly with the amount of player movements it would make no difference - similar to the above point, but the same players would just move.
While also a concern see above about NL1 clubs developing players only to lose them and having to start again, hard to develop club loyalty and to have feeder teams for your seniors.Quote:
Thirdly, it would probably promote a club to win rather than develop (which is probably happening too much now). This would happen especially in the last half of the season if near the top of lower league or bottom of upper league. Winning does not necessarily mean you have a program that is best for the kids development. Along with this point would be that recruitment would be more important than development also.
We currently see some clubs with teams that have been down the bottom of the NPL for years, do they have a good development program? Would they start doing more if they knew they were threatened about going down a tier? It's not good for development for a team to sit at the bottom of a league and be thrashed almost every week. It's also not good for development or for a club for a club to remain in a lower tier no matter what they do.
Cost could be one factor. Another could be the reputation of the NPL clubs and competition. Another could be that the parents have made friends at the NL1 club and enjoy the social side of things, recognising that their son won't be playing for a living. Myriad of reasons why people do what they do.
This happens now to an extent.
No idea, coming from Melbourne I can tell you that they have promotion and relegation and Sydney also have changed it around and also will have promotion and relegation. South Australia may do the same thing.Quote:
What do they do in South Australia, they seem to get a lot of young players up into the seniors?
Maitland v lakes trials
13s 11-1
14s - 5-0
15s - 6-0
16s - 2-0
The 16's was a good game to watch, being that it stayed nil all for 3 quarters of the game. Their 18s did beat Maitland 18's, but for Maitland it was their first trial game for the season. they do develop through as they get older at lakes but it is a hard slog and without metrics other than score its hard to gauge if the program is successful in regards to what it is trying to achieve. If you look at the 16s game last night lakes had 2 14's playing but Maitland had 3 as well.
Im not sure why,maybe covid related but Cooks Hill were the last team to trial.We had our sons name down but hed already picked up a spot at another club weeks before Cooks Hill even trialled.If they were lacking players then they were in a tough position to be able to fill in squads.Hopefully its a one off but a sad way to start their time in NPL.